SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

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DUH. It’s a fucking 15 years old virgin in a 21 years old body.

As if Aerith wasn’t already gorgeous for any human being.

That’s so dumb.

Not the man would look at Tifa cleavage on the beach right… ?

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Aaaaand eye contact failed.
One could argue infact that Cloud's reaction to Tifa at the beach is akin to Cloud's reaction to Aerith in the red dress, as in, think of it like another "balancing act" just like in Remake they had Cloud and Aerith have a close up drawn out high five, well in Rebirth they also give Tifa a close up drawn out high five.

Yes, the beach scene is purely Tifa for anyone wishing to argue, watch the camera and listen to the music.
 

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One could argue infact that Cloud's reaction to Tifa at the beach is akin to Cloud's reaction to Aerith in the red dress, as in, think of it like another "balancing act" just like in Remake they had Cloud and Aerith have a close up drawn out high five, well in Rebirth they also give Tifa a close up drawn out high five.

Yes, the beach scene is purely Tifa for anyone wishing to argue, watch the camera and listen to the music.

One could argue Aerith in Remake is alone and the only point to focus to.

While in Rebirth both girls are here in swimsuit and Cloud chose to focus on Tifa (camera and music theme)

And I won't. Because I don't care at all. There's 1000 others signs in the game to show how he's treating the girls differently. It's not even subtil most of the time.

So yeah... good for CAs if some description's line on a guide makes them happy. Happy for them. I really do. I'll just play the game instead.
 
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One could argue infact that Cloud's reaction to Tifa at the beach is akin to Cloud's reaction to Aerith in the red dress, as in, think of it like another "balancing act" just like in Remake they had Cloud and Aerith have a close up drawn out high five, well in Rebirth they also give Tifa a close up drawn out high five.

Yes, the beach scene is purely Tifa for anyone wishing to argue, watch the camera and listen to the music.
That one article mentioning the balance of screen time between the 2 heroines of the story. That people somehow have taken as meaning with Cloud instead of just screen time in general. Honestly shouldn't have revealed that and just let players experience it. These same people now think lifestream and Highwind will mean Aerith gets equivalent which doesn't make sense when she's Been killed? And they have major different story roles. In which Lifestream and Highwind isn't fan service it's important plot and character moments
 

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About the church, this isn't ever mentioned before in this discussion. But Nomura says in Dengeki Maou for CCFF7 interview back then (2007)
"Whenever something comes up in his mind, Zack heads straight to the church, as if he’s looking to be healed."
Aside from the moment Aerith embraced him when he's grieving Angeal's death, Nomura's comment reminds me of all of these scenes throughout Remake & Rebirth:

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EDIT: adding this
"This is a strange place. Flowers bloom all year long. The seasons never change--my feelings never change. I’m stuck.”
(Aerith's monologue, FF 30th Anniversary Exhibition 2018)
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Which strange place that flowers bloom all year long? The church, right?
So, it's the place where her feelings (for Zack) never change because there is too many memories of him (or them being spending time together there). The place where she finally admit she knew where she & Cloud stand.

I almost forget. This one is also "suspicious", dont you think?
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I mean, the original keyart in CCFF7 (2007) is without the church door. This is keyart for CCFF7 Reunion (2022).
Why it's needed? To show the church is their place? :awesome:
 

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One could argue Aerith in Remake is alone and the only point to focus to.

While in Rebirth both girls are here in swimsuit and Cloud chose to focus on Tifa (camera and music theme)

And I won't. Because I don't care at all. There's 1000 others signs in the game to show how he's treating the girls differently. It's not even subtil most of the time.

So yeah... good for CAs if some description's line on a guide makes them happy. Happy for them. I really do. I'll just play the game instead.
I’m not even trying to joke around but I’m sure the argument would just be to reduce it to fan service for westerners.

Aerith’s in a beautiful dress, it’s more wholesome. Tifa is just sexual.
 

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I’m not even trying to joke around but I’m sure the argument would just be to reduce it to fan service for westerners.

Aerith’s in a beautiful dress, it’s more wholesome. Tifa is just sexual.
If one wanted to be mean and petty about it, Aerith's dress scene is hardly wholesome since they're in the FF7 version of red-light district and dressing up to infiltrate a sex trafficker's hideout. And iirc, Aerith was uncomfortable in the red dress since she was dressed up to suit Corneo's tastes and not her own (Aerith's best dress debate, here we go lol). At least Tifa's bikini scene happens on a holiday beach with friends, lol.

But I was thinking CA and CT from the debate point of view. I mean, CTs can just point at the text to show that Cloud textually had feelings for Tifa (even if people want to argue that's no longer the case/doesn't matter). But I feel that CAs should first prove the premise that he has romantic feelings for Aerith instead of just assuming that obviously he has. Obviously they have cute moments that the fans see as romantic because otherwise they wouldn't ship them but that doesn't mean they textually have romantic feelings for each other (mutually, that is). I don't know if I made sense with that, though.
 

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But I was thinking CA and CT from the debate point of view. I mean, CTs can just point at the text to show that Cloud textually had feelings for Tifa (even if people want to argue that's no longer the case/doesn't matter).
I’ve found the argument that it doesn’t matter if Cloud had feelings for Tifa when he was younger odd.

I think 2000 Gil is the most recent story isn’t it? Released this year? Nojima felt the need to add in that Cloud wanted to be a special existence to Tifa. ToTP again hammers in the promise and clarifies Tifa’s feeling. It’s not a brand new novel, but fairly recent and one he continues to push people to read.

If it didn’t matter then the writer wouldn’t continue to hammer it in and add more context to it. Why does the writer care so much that we know about their feelings as kids if it doesn’t matter?

I mean, it’s not like Cloud’s feelings were weak when he was young either. He admired Tifa so much that he felt he had to become an exceptional man, someone like Sephiroth, a war hero, only that kind of man is worthy of Tifa’s notice. I’m sorry but that says something.

Edit: Traces is fairly new for English, releasing last year.
 
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I’ve found the argument that it doesn’t matter if Cloud had feelings for Tifa when he was younger odd.

I think 2000 Gil is the most recent story isn’t it? Released this year? Nojima felt the need to add in that Cloud wanted to be a special existence to Tifa. ToTP again hammers in the promise and clarifies Tifa’s feeling. It’s not a brand new novel, but fairly recent and one he continues to push people to read.

If it didn’t matter then the author wouldn’t continue to hammer it in and add more context to it. Why does the writer care so much that we know about their feelings as kids if it doesn’t matter?

I mean, it’s not like Cloud’s feelings were weak when he was young either. He admired Tifa so much that he felt he had to become an exceptional man, someone like Sephiroth, a war hero, only that kind of man is worthy of Tifa’s notice. I’m sorry but that says something.

Edit: Traces is fairly new for English, releasing last year.
Someone on twitter actually pointed out that the wording is the exact same to describe Tifa and Cloud's feelings.

This is from the 10th anniversary ultimania:
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and this is from Cloud's recent story:

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I’ve found the argument that it doesn’t matter if Cloud had feelings for Tifa when he was younger odd.

I think 2000 Gil is the most recent story isn’t it? Released this year? Nojima felt the need to add in that Cloud wanted to be a special existence to Tifa. ToTP again hammers in the promise and clarifies Tifa’s feeling. It’s not a brand new novel, but fairly recent and one he continues to push people to read.

If it didn’t matter then the author wouldn’t continue to hammer it in and add more context to it. Why does the writer care so much that we know about their feelings as kids if it doesn’t matter?

I mean, it’s not like Cloud’s feelings were weak when he was young either. He admired Tifa so much that he felt he had to become an exceptional man, someone like Sephiroth, a war hero, only that kind of man is worthy of Tifa’s notice. I’m sorry but that says something.

Edit: Traces is fairly new for English, releasing last year.
Timeline also doesn’t line up for when someone could say his feelings changed. That’s all I’ll say on the matter, but my only question to that claim is “when because last week he was definitely all about her”.

The gaslighty nature of this part of the story doesn’t really help things, but I think Remake is doing a surprisingly good job navigating it. Cloud’s persona is easy to decipher if you pay enough attention to him, but he has definite tells that a dork rests below the surface.
 

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And indeed he did. Plus y'know, he kinda died the first time before the OG even started
His gift is everlasting!

As far as I know they don't seem interested in progressing past DoC. All the people screaming about the Genesis stuff be damned.
So AC, OtwtaS and DoC won't be canon to the Re trilogy?

Some writers are better about at least pretending to shut the door than others.
For sure! I'm thankful Final Fantasy games are always pretty good about that :)
 

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I’ve found the argument that it doesn’t matter if Cloud had feelings for Tifa when he was younger odd.

I think 2000 Gil is the most recent story isn’t it? Released this year? Nojima felt the need to add in that Cloud wanted to be a special existence to Tifa. ToTP again hammers in the promise and clarifies Tifa’s feeling. It’s not a brand new novel, but fairly recent and one he continues to push people to read.

If it didn’t matter then the author wouldn’t continue to hammer it in and add more context to it. Why does the writer care so much that we know about their feelings as kids if it doesn’t matter?

I mean, it’s not like Cloud’s feelings were weak when he was young either. He admired Tifa so much that he felt he had to become an exceptional man, someone like Sephiroth, a war hero, only that kind of man is worthy of Tifa’s notice. I’m sorry but that says something.

Edit: Traces is fairly new for English, releasing last year.
The oddest thing I've seen about this debate is people talking about these characters as if they're real. For example, "Aerith/Tifa is allowed to move on", "they shouldn't be forced to waste half of their lives waiting for a guy", etc. And totally incidentally, it's usually done for ship-invalidating purposes. Besides, neither of them was hardly wasting away waiting for a guy? They were both living life the best they could even if they weren't hopping from one relationship to the next since that's hardly relevant to their characters or storylines?

They both talked about their characters so beautifully.
 

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I almost forget. This one is also "suspicious", dont you think?
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I mean, the original keyart in CCFF7 (2007) is without the church door. This is keyart for CCFF7 Reunion (2022).
Why it's needed? To show the church is their place? :awesome:
Yeah, CCR was released prior to Rebirth for reasons like this. Seems as if CAs ignored it
 

Rin

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So AC, OtwtaS and DoC won't be canon to the Re trilogy?
I think they're all just being folded into it in a way. Like, we can see how Deepground already plays a role w/ Yuffie. In Rebirth, Vincent actually hasn't been sleeping the whole time as in his own words he's "come face to face with Sephiroth many times but could never pull the trigger." Rebirth did so many AC/C callbacks in general. In Remake, Cloud grips his geostigma arm in Hojo's lab.

I don't know if it's as simple as everything going down exactly like OG and leading up to ACC & DoC two/three years later as people think. It might just be that everything gets folded into one big story and wrapped up w/ a bow at the end of retrilogy.
 

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I think they're all just being folded into it in a way. Like, we can see how Deepground already plays a role w/ Yuffie. In Rebirth, Vincent actually hasn't been sleeping the whole time as in his own words he's "come face to face with Sephiroth many times but could never pull the trigger." Rebirth did so many AC/C callbacks in general. In Remake, Cloud grips his geostigma arm in Hojo's lab.

I don't know if it's as simple as everything going down exactly like OG and leading up to ACC & DoC two/three years later as people think. It might just be that everything gets folded into one big story and wrapped up w/ a bow at the end of retrilogy.
In agreement here. Either we’re going to put the planet back so everything goes as OG FF7 ( basically I think Sephiroth is trying to do to the planet/lifestream what Cloud’s subconscious/Jenova did to his mind/memory but I’ll spare you the long winded theory ) or AC and DoC get crammed together, rewritten to compensate, and used as a cap off dlc.
 
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don't know if it's as simple as everything going down exactly like OG and leading up to ACC & DoC two/three years later as people think. It might just be that everything gets folded into one big story and wrapped up w/ a bow at the end of retrilogy

I really, really hope they pull the ending off for this trilogy. Surprised there are an increasing amount of people who don’t want AC to happen (whether or not it’s already happened depending if you look at it as a sequel or a remake is whole dissertation in itself)
 

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I really, really hope they pull the ending off for this trilogy. Surprised there are an increasing amount of people who don’t want AC to happen (whether or not it’s already happened depending if you look at it as a sequel or a remake is whole dissertation in itself)
Yeah, I think for most people it's just that AC is poorly written and it's hard to envision the characters as they are now doing a lot of the stuff they do in AC. Like, seeing Cloti so fleshed out now (whether you ship them or not) makes it really hard to believe that Cloud would run away from her even at his lowest point during a mental health relapse. So, I think a lot of people just can't reconcile the two together in a way that makes sense. And I wouldn't be surprised if the devs feel the same way to be honest.
 

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Yeah, I think for most people it's just that AC is poorly written and it's hard to envision the characters as they are now doing a lot of the stuff they do in AC. Like, seeing Cloti so fleshed out now (whether you ship them or not) makes it really hard to believe that Cloud would run away from her even at his lowest point during a mental health relapse. So, I think a lot of people just can't reconcile the two together in a way that makes sense. And I wouldn't be surprised if the devs feel the same way to be honest.
That’s basically my feelings about AC. Premise isn’t inherently bad, but the execution felt off. This crew getting another crack at AC? I say give them that chance, and they may shock us.

And all it’d take to fix Cloud’s part is one little change that’s actually set up very nearly in Remake: SOLDIERs spread Geostigma while normal people can catch it, but not spread it. Cloud leaving is more understandable, but Tifa would still be upset that he didn’t tell anyone.
 

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I think they're all just being folded into it in a way. Like, we can see how Deepground already plays a role w/ Yuffie. In Rebirth, Vincent actually hasn't been sleeping the whole time as in his own words he's "come face to face with Sephiroth many times but could never pull the trigger." Rebirth did so many AC/C callbacks in general. In Remake, Cloud grips his geostigma arm in Hojo's lab.

I don't know if it's as simple as everything going down exactly like OG and leading up to ACC & DoC two/three years later as people think. It might just be that everything gets folded into one big story and wrapped up w/ a bow at the end of retrilogy.
So what would be the timeline of events for the compilation then? Yes, elements of the compilation are being folded into the Re trilogy, but that's because it's a more cohesive version of ff7.

My understanding is it's BC, CC, FF7/Re trilogy capable of being swapped with each other, OtwtaS, AC then DoC.

If we're to get an ending to the trilogy where Sephiroth can never return, that would make AC, OtwtaS and DoC non canon to it
 

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Yeah, I think for most people it's just that AC is poorly written and it's hard to envision the characters as they are now doing a lot of the stuff they do in AC. Like, seeing Cloti so fleshed out now (whether you ship them or not) makes it really hard to believe that Cloud would run away from her even at his lowest point during a mental health relapse. So, I think a lot of people just can't reconcile the two together in a way that makes sense. And I wouldn't be surprised if the devs feel the same way to be honest.
Opinions about the writing aside, AC is still canon within the compilation though. Sure, fans can disregard stuff if they want. Officially, it's still there though.

I don’t mind if everything still leads up to AC, but I definitely think we need a post-DoC epilogue to show where all the characters truly are in their lives. After all the struggles have been finished.

I think it would genuinely help with some closure.
That's what I'm saying. Having post DoC epilogues will put that big red bow on the compilation, not just the re trilogy.
 

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Opinions about the writing aside, AC is still canon within the compilation though. Sure, fans can disregard stuff if they want. Officially, it's still there though.


That's what I'm saying. Having post DoC epilogues will put that big red bow on the compilation, not just the re trilogy.
This is why I think we’re actually building up to reversing whatever “positive” changes made to the plot so events play out like the original game. Then smash cut to Cloud’s words to Tifa coming true, meeting everyone they’ve lost in the Lifestream when it’s their time to rejoin it.

AC and DoC still happen, but we then know that everyone got their happy, bittersweet ending.
 

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Indeed, there's a lot of old jokes and references rattling around up in the old noggin. They're bound to bounce awkwardly now and then. Plus I've had multiple concussions, that's always good to excuse this sort of thing.
Ironically, despite all my various head traumas, a concussion is one thing I've never had.

And then we do it again.
By definition you have the Devil's eyes. Do you have a pickup truck?

8 Bul for the dance, Buluzi if they use Potara.
Works for me.

The Administrator would love it.
Tifa and Ms Pauling teaming up would also be amazing.

It's the kind of joyous love that Baloonicorns are born from.
A love that burns, as opposed to one that crushes like a mace.

Sonic is so bored he is breaking you game now.
Sometimes that just happens to sonic, you know. At least '06 times.

[quotee]If only it were that simple, right?[/quote]
Sadly it never is.

Interesting, I need to experiment with this, maybe loosen the whole biz up mid-line delivery and see what happens.

I accept full responsibility if I somehow blow my own voice out.
I don't think you will. Still best of luck.

He deserves it, man works hard.
He's raising a daughter as a single black dad with one arm AND managing a bar and an ecoterrorist cell at the same time.

Sadly, it was not to be.
Imagine, if you will, the alternate timeline where Aerith watches the kids for the afternoon so Cloud and Tifa can have some alone time. (Or, if you like, one where they get Yuffie to do it so the three of them can have fun)

The LTD seems to bring about more dishonesty than most of course.
Shipping in general gets a lot of people very very worked up. Not just over "which pair is endgame" but also the other dark aspects of shipping discourse.

[qutoe]
I hope so, it's a damn good joke.[/quote]
That's why I'm sure it's been made before.

...?

How do these people sleep at night?
By counting their copes as they lay down at night.

We need to find out where Red the Red is from and make him live there, methinks. If that's around Nibelheim, score.
Oh, the Deepground Color Guard.... I mean Tsviets.

I can see the shack full of piss jars fitting there.
Imagine the mines, or better yet, Gold Saucer as a TF2 map.

Maybe so, but we all know wherever he's from we'd find him in Hojo's lab somewhere doing something less than ethical with the specimens.
Possibly less ethical, but definitely less creepy than Hojo.

Can robo-kitty drink, I wonder?
We'll find out.

Close enough to Mid-West.
Mostly I think he'd fit in with the dumbass punks around there.

With a single click of his disguise kit he could be an active Turk. Hell he could be anyone. He could be you! He could even be... Blam!
The reason I say possible is because he might be active still. He might even be... Cloud's Father!

Works as well as anywhere, since Pyro is even more mysterious than Spy.
The only known fact about Pyro is that Pyro is the CEO of a megacorp when not being Pyro.

But wait, you forgot the Engineer. That's a practical problem that needs solvin' so... obviously Rocket Town?
Cid's cousin, in fact.

It would explain the prices she got at the Honeybee Inn back in OG.
Yep. She's got them hooked, the poor bastards.

I laughed until I ran out of breath twice. Mind you it's funny both because it's true and also phenomenally unlikely.
-Polite Bow-

That poor kid. Luckily Tifa helps, or it'd just be a downer.
Tifa's attention is the reward he wants anyways.

You're right, admitting you have a problem is step one. He'd probably like the bad guy affirmation though :monster: There's no one I'd rather be than me :reapermon:
Imagine him needing to get dragged there by like Golbez and Jecht.

Yeah I've got three kids and three cats, it gets a little exponential sometimes.
You think they'd pair off and solve the issue, but no.

I'd play this spinoff. We can even shoehorn in an unnecessary boss fight against Sephiroth at the end.
We'll call it Mom of War and there won't be any legal issues at all ever.

I'd watch it.
I know, right?

Yeah that tracks. I'm still gonna headcanon it actually working being due to him subconsciously learning Yuffie's tricks.
I mean he probably is, he's just not thinking about it.

This may be one of the kindest and most idealistic sounding things I've ever seen you say.
I am a beacon of kindness and patience. A modern day buddha, if you will. But you may still only strike the buddha three times, after all.

Also yeah this basically.

Aerith's big moment resembles Great Gospel, she just had to wait for her limit gauge to fill :monster:
Pretty much this. Do you know how hard it is to fill that gauge when you're dead?

Operative word.
Yes. She does not succeed at moving on from Zack. She knows she should, but...

Heh, bedroom eyes. A way to express feelings without words, one might say.
One might indeed.

I need to read this. They were right to ask, actual time in Cloud's head is so limited.
You can find it online pretty easily. "2000 gil to be a hero" brought it up quick for me.

The healthiest friend zoning I've ever seen. Everyone who gets friend zoned should be so lucky.
It helps that in this case Cloud is both not interested in pursuing a romance and not aware a romance was being considered. He's more like "I have a friend!"

I’m not even trying to joke around but I’m sure the argument would just be to reduce it to fan service for westerners.

Aerith’s in a beautiful dress, it’s more wholesome. Tifa is just sexual.
Aerith's red dress was very sexual, though. So many closeups on the exposed flesh and her cleavage. Which is understandable, Aerith is pretty, but for Cloud she is a candle next to the Bonfire called Tifa.

If one wanted to be mean and petty about it, Aerith's dress scene is hardly wholesome since they're in the FF7 version of red-light district and dressing up to infiltrate a sex trafficker's hideout. And iirc, Aerith was uncomfortable in the red dress since she was dressed up to suit Corneo's tastes and not her own (Aerith's best dress debate, here we go lol). At least Tifa's bikini scene happens on a holiday beach with friends, lol.

But I was thinking CA and CT from the debate point of view. I mean, CTs can just point at the text to show that Cloud textually had feelings for Tifa (even if people want to argue that's no longer the case/doesn't matter). But I feel that CAs should first prove the premise that he has romantic feelings for Aerith instead of just assuming that obviously he has. Obviously they have cute moments that the fans see as romantic because otherwise they wouldn't ship them but that doesn't mean they textually have romantic feelings for each other (mutually, that is). I don't know if I made sense with that, though.
No, this makes perfect sense. Both ships need to establish that Cloud has romantic intentions for the woman in question. Finding them attractive is sort of the bare minimum here. It gets you to the starting line. Cloud has numerous textual and extra-textual (Ultimanias, being outside the narrative but commenting on it) examples of his continuing attraction to and intentions toward Tifa. Aerith, not quite.

Someone on twitter actually pointed out that the wording is the exact same to describe Tifa and Cloud's feelings.

This is from the 10th anniversary ultimania:

and this is from Cloud's recent story:

I mean, their feelings to match, after all.

The oddest thing I've seen about this debate is people talking about these characters as if they're real. For example, "Aerith/Tifa is allowed to move on", "they shouldn't be forced to waste half of their lives waiting for a guy", etc. And totally incidentally, it's usually done for ship-invalidating purposes. Besides, neither of them was hardly wasting away waiting for a guy? They were both living life the best they could even if they weren't hopping from one relationship to the next since that's hardly relevant to their characters or storylines?
It's a weird line, because you want characters to come across as real and as though they have agency even though they literally do not- they are fictional and cannot have their own agency external to the will of a writer, natch -but even then they have to feel real while still serving the needs of the narrative.
 

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So what would be the timeline of events for the compilation then? Yes, elements of the compilation are being folded into the Re trilogy, but that's because it's a more cohesive version of ff7.

My understanding is it's BC, CC, FF7/Re trilogy capable of being swapped with each other, OtwtaS, AC then DoC.

If we're to get an ending to the trilogy where Sephiroth can never return, that would make AC, OtwtaS and DoC non canon to it
Timeline would still be the same, they just don't need to be separate entries.

Opinions about the writing aside, AC is still canon within the compilation though. Sure, fans can disregard stuff if they want. Officially, it's still there though.
I wasn't arguing the canonicity of AC, nor was I saying fans disregard the canonicity of AC. I was saying some fans don't want Retrilogy to lead to AC as it's currently been written because the writing in Retrilogy is better.
 

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Timeline would still be the same, they just don't need to be separate entries.
How is that gonna work though? Is the third game going to encompass the events of the things that take place after ff7?

I wasn't arguing the canonicity of AC, nor was I saying fans disregard the canonicity of AC. I was saying some fans don't want Retrilogy to lead to AC as it's currently been written because the writing in Retrilogy is better.
Ok, I see. I was reading further into your statement based on the last sentence. "So, I think a lot of people just can't reconcile the two together in a way that makes sense. And I wouldn't be surprised if the devs feel the same way to be honest." I also took Purple's comment into account, since that's who's comment yours was towards. Theirs was about fans not wanting AC to happen.

Let's say the devs feel the same way. Why would they release AC right before the release of Rebirth? If they don't think the Re trilogy will fit well before AC, there'd be no point of rereleasing the movie, imo
 
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