LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Strangelove]

To name two English-language examples, Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow and Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon are written entirely in present tense except for flashbacks. No idea if there exist any novels in Japanese written in present tense, though.

Depending on who you ask, Japanese might not even have tenses. There's only 'complete' ['past'] and 'incomplete' ['present'/'future'] states.

Seeing what Google says about it, Japanese writers mix tenses for reasons such as:
- rhythm in the prose. Since in Japanese if you just used standard statements in the 'complete' state, everything will end up as a succession of '...ta, ....ta, ...da'. Adding in some 'incomplete' sentences would break it up and stop it being as monotonous.
- to make the reader picture a certain scene (instead of 'fell', which would give the impression that the character as already fallen and is on the floor, using 'fall' would make the reader picture the moment they fall down), or describe thoughts or states of something/someone.
- if you already established that the events are set in the past, it doesn't matter if you mixed 'past' and 'present'.

I think that second point kind of goes back to the 'complete/incomplete' thing, and giving the text more immediacy. I'm sure I've been told Spanish does something similar, describing past events in present tense to make them seem more immediate.

And I'm just going off on a tangent now

 

[looneymoon]

Shipping doesn't require logic. I'll ship something because I think it's hot, if I damn well please!

Comprehending the canon is a completely different story however.

 

[Dashell]

OMFG google's translation of what Hito posted:

Tifa's chest and the promise Kizama

That's awesome


Also
I thought the same kanji used to describe the promise was used to describe how Aerith was engraved in Cloud's heart... is that not true?

胸にきざまれたティファとの約束 (Tifa's)

彼の心に生涯刻まれることとなる古代種の血 (Aerith)

 

[Strangelove]

I thought the same kanji used to describe the promise was used to describe how Aerith was engraved in Cloud's heart... is that not true?

胸に刻まれたティファとの約束 (Tifa's)

彼の心に生涯刻まれることとなる古代種の血 (Aerith)

They're not. 'Heart' (in the emotional sense) is another one of the meanings/uses of the word in the Tifa line, which also means 'chest'. And 'breasts' The phrase is pretty much the same, though.

From the 'Kizama' thing, it looks like it didn't get it when it's not written in kanji. I replaced it with the kanji above, maybe that would work better. (Or as better as you can get from Google.)

And I think you're missing something like を引く女「エアリス」 off the end of the Aerith line there.

 

[Dashell]

So why was it translated to "memory"? Just curious

 

[Vendel]

So Q. You are buddies with her. Why is FFG suddenly posting all these mini-essays responding to perceived cloti attacks?

I do so love this quote.

b. Aerith did not act all that concerned when she found out that Zack had been missing for 5 years and was possibly dead. From FFVII (Gongaga):

Aerith: "What a shock.... I didn't know Zack was from this town."

Cloud: "You know him?"

Aerith: "Didn't I tell you? He was my first love."

Cloud: "......"

Aerith: "Zack.... SOLDIER First Class. Same as Cloud."

Cloud: "Strange, there aren't that many who make First Class, but I've never heard of him."

Aerith: "That's all right. It's all in the past now. I was just worried because I heard he's been missing."

Cloud: "Missing?"

Aerith: "I think it was 5 years ago. He went out on a job, and never came back." "He loved women, a real lady's man. He probably found someone else."

For someone who is supposedly still pining over her ex-boyfriend, Aerith sure took that news well. All she did was shrug it off, say that their relationship was all in the past, and assume that he had probably run off with another woman. Aerith later follows up this conversation by saying that she doesn't mind that she hasn't heard from him.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any indication here of Aerith still being in love with Zack. Honestly, if she were, wouldn't she be going insane over the news that he has been missing for the past 5 years and no one has heard a peep from him? Instead, she acted as though it really didn't matter and you even have the in-game option of making Aerith tease Cloud for being jealous over Zack.

Now maybe my memory is poor. But wasn't the first thing she did was run out of the damn house?

Oh and for fun.

Random CloTi: "Cloud doesn't show grief/depression over Aerith's death".

So who has been sayign this again?

 

[Dashell]

So who has been sayign this again?

Apparently random Cloti. He gets around. Wasn't he responsible for telling them koibito could ONLY be mutual no matter what the context? And weren't the Clotis then accused of saying it can't mean beloved and doing a 180 despite this post by Ryu on TFC:

http://killthemongoose.com/tnc/index.php?topic=514.msg14735#msg14735
saying it can mean beloved which came out pre CoLW

and this post by our illiterate Hito:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1217&highlight=koibito#post1217
saying it can be one sided

And I never considered me and FFG all that close. I'm fairly certain I clashed with her on youtube once.

 

[Dashell]

BTW Hito any reason you translated 胸 as memory?

 

[Madame Mayor]

If any of you found out your womanising boyfriend might be dead you'd just shrug it off too.

Gezz.

So who has been sayign this again?

Same goes for Cloud. Someone dying after being stabbed right in front of you shouldn't make you stop for even a second. Unless they are your tru luv.

 

[Strangelove]

BTW Hito any reason you translated 胸 as memory?

I didn't, IIRC I translated as 'mind' (which is another sense of the word 'heart/kokoro').

But if I did do it as memory, it might have been because that whole phrase (kokoro/mune ni kizamu) means to remember something.

 

[Isabella]

Unless it's about Aerith. Then it means LOVE. I'm pretty sure any good Japanese dictionary will tell you so.

 

[Dashell]

胸 isn't kokoro though O_o

YOU'RE CONFUSING ME

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

胸 isn't kokoro though O_o

YOU'RE CONFUSING ME

胸 is "mune," which, like hito said, is another way of writing 心 ("kokoro").

Both can mean "heart" or "mind" depending on how they're used.

 

[Dashell]

Nope still confused

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

About what? XD

 

[Dashell]

This whole fucking LTD

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Ah.

Well, all you need to know is that there isn't one anymore.

 

[Dashell]

THEN WHY IS THERE STILL STIES ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE *cries*

 

[Vendel]

THEN WHY IS THERE STILL STIES ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE *cries*

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

 

[Dashell]

I miss Vendel

 

[Celes Chere]

Too bad, we need Bill. SO STFU.

 

[Winter]

Unless it's about Aerith. Then it means LOVE. I'm pretty sure any good Japanese dictionary will tell you so.

Love is just one of her character traits.

 

[Strangelove]

胸 isn't kokoro though O_o

YOU'RE CONFUSING ME

むね【胸】

６ こころ。思い。心の中。

［6］ 心。また、心の中。

http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/search?stype=1&ei=UTF-8&dtype=2&p=胸

 

[Raquelborn]

Quick question regarding Case of Tifa:

I was reading this bit again and it's not very clear who's saying what:

“Aerith didn’t bring Denzel to you.”
“Ahh, I only thought that…..”
“I didn’t mean it that way.”
“Aerith brought Denzel to our home.”
Cloud gazed at Tifa and finally smiled.

Who says the line in bold, is it Cloud or Tifa?

 

[Vendel]

Quick question regarding Case of Tifa:

I was reading this bit again and it's not very clear who's saying what:

Who says the line in bold, is it Cloud or Tifa?

Tifa. It doesn't quite make sense if it is Cloud.

This is basically Tifa saying "Aerith didn't bring Denzel to just you". Whereas Cloud at first thought she was saying "no you big dummy Aerith did not bring that child to you".

Then of course Cloud placates her with a fake smile.......