LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Winter]

OH OK well you are off fapping to crack/zee porn

so i'm good

ilu

 

[Dashell]

So like... can i see this porn or?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

So like... can i see this porn or?

No.

OH OK well you are off fapping to crack/zee porn

so i'm good

ilu

tho sometimes I ship her and the entire CT forums. And Winter/Crack and Zee/Crack/Winter.

she's like a bicycle rly.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Fine.

EDIT
oh dear

The one quote where Nojima(co-creater/writer of the story)said Cloud and Tifa have too many problems and they will never be solved. And if Aerith was alive, that Cloud and her would have a better romantic relationship.

To me, that says A LOT! Nojima is declaring that Cloud and Tifa aren't good together and have too many problems but that Aerith would have been better for him.

It's like... I wanna say something but... I know it wouldn't matter.

It's AMAZING how words materialize out of thin air when a Pinker sees a fucking quote.
Too many problems? MANY problems? Will never be solved?
If Aerith was alive, they WOULD have?

Also, LOVE the cognitive dissonance, since their logic- if Aerith was alive, their romantic relationship would be better- necessarily entails Cloud and Tifa ARE together.

In fact, Quex, just inform them of that.
Then inform them that they're MAKING SHIT UP.

 

[Max Caulfield]

It's like... I wanna say something but... I know it wouldn't matter.

What is that quoted from?

 

[Dashell]

What is that quoted from?

You mean this?

"Chapter Tifa - To start with is the premise that things go wrong for Cloud and Tifa and that this is the same without geostigma or Sephiroth. I do not intend to talk concerning my view on romantic love, marriage and family... Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I also think Aerith has a heavy burden."

It was from an interview... there's other translations of it out there, that was just the first one I found.

EDIT
here's two others:

(Translation by Tres)
“Case of Tifa … first, there’s the premise that things aren’t going well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma and Sephiroth, it would still be the same. I don’t mean to get into my views on romantic love, marriage and family. (laughs) After ACC, maybe Denzel and Marlene can get them to. Perhaps things would have gone well with Aerith, but Aerith’s responsibility is big, I think.”

Also, here’s an additional translation of Nojima’s comment by hitoshura:

“‘Episode Tifa’… first off, there’s the premise that things won’t go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don’t really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith.”

 

[Max Caulfield]

Yes, that's what I meant.

Thanks!

 

[crack]

tho sometimes I ship her and the entire CT forums. And Winter/Crack and Zee/Crack/Winter.

she's like a bicycle rly.

the difference between those bicycles and me is that i have a horn.

let me seduce you all with my witty banter

If Aerith was alive, they WOULD have?

I never understood why 'what-if' theories were used in people's rebuttals. It does nothing, it proves nothing.

 

[Ryushikaze]

the difference between those bicycles and me is that i have a horn.

let me seduce you all with my witty banter


I never understood why 'what-if' theories were used in people's rebuttals. It does nothing, it proves nothing.

Especially since in this case, it's an 'If, MAYBE', not even an 'If, Then.'

 

[Dashell]

The other argument is that he's saying "I don't plan to discuss whether or not Cloud and Tifa should get married" because the LTD is so ambiguous and all... but I never quite understood that... where does love and family fit then?

 

[Celes Chere]

I don't care what any of you say. CrackxMyra is still my OTP.

 

[Vendel]

Because a bodyguard would totally bring his ... protectee (idk what that's called) into danger, so he should have brought her out with him right into the line of danger.

HOLD ON!!!

Q you do realize that Cloud sneaking out of Aerith's house was him trying to ditch her right?

And not in some noble bodyguard "keep her safe" way either. It was more of a "ditch this chick and head back to Tifa" sort of way.

 

[Dashell]

HOLD ON!!!

Q you do realize that Cloud sneaking out of Aerith's house was him trying to ditch her right?

And not in some noble bodyguard "keep her safe" way either. It was more of a "ditch this chick and head back to Tifa" sort of way.

See now Vendel, there's two line of thoughts to this...

 

[Vendel]

See now Vendel, there's two line of thoughts to this...

And I agree with mine.

 

[Dashell]

I am curious about something though. What if... I realize hypotheticals are kind of stupid but... what if Aerith was in the lifestream and she found a way to contact Cloud... Like ... okay this is really stupid but it's all I can think of now, like sending him notes through the lifestream that wash up in Mideel or somewhere.... HUMOR ME >_<

And so she sent a few hoping he'd be able to read them... then she sent a few more... and more... and more... but never hears back

Would this be any different from the Zack deal? I mean I realize she can probably SEE if he's okay but maybe like she can't now for some reason.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I am curious about something though. What if... I realize hypotheticals are kind of stupid but... what if Aerith was in the lifestream and she found a way to contact Cloud... Like ... okay this is really stupid but it's all I can think of now, like sending him notes through the lifestream that wash up in Mideel or somewhere.... HUMOR ME >_<

And so she sent a few hoping he'd be able to read them... then she sent a few more... and more... and more... but never hears back

Would this be any different from the Zack deal? I mean I realize she can probably SEE if he's okay but maybe like she can't now for some reason.

Yes. Because she's dead.
Therefore it's technically a haunting.
And that means she risks Ghostbusting. She didn't with the Zack scenario.

 

[looneymoon]

I am curious about something though. What if... I realize hypotheticals are kind of stupid but... what if Aerith was in the lifestream and she found a way to contact Cloud... Like ... okay this is really stupid but it's all I can think of now, like sending him notes through the lifestream that wash up in Mideel or somewhere.... HUMOR ME >_<

And so she sent a few hoping he'd be able to read them... then she sent a few more... and more... and more... but never hears back

Would this be any different from the Zack deal? I mean I realize she can probably SEE if he's okay but maybe like she can't now for some reason.

SOUNDS LIKE A NICHOLAS SPARKS NOVEL TBQH

 

[crack]

SOUNDS LIKE A NICHOLAS SPARKS NOVEL TBQH

am i doing it right

 

[Dashell]

Ryu if you don't wanna answer the question...
EDIT:
okay Ryu's not the only one XD

Okay what if Cloud wanted to go somewhere and Tifa didn't want him to because it was dangerious. And Cloud tried to sneak out a couple times and Tifa stopped him...

that's still too different isn't it?

 

[Vendel]

I am curious about something though. What if... I realize hypotheticals are kind of stupid but... what if Aerith was in the lifestream and she found a way to contact Cloud... Like ...

Like....Advent Children?

You know the movie where she does anything but look like someone who just made contact with a lover after years?

Okay what if Cloud wanted to go somewhere and Tifa didn't want him to because it was dangerious. And Cloud tried to sneak out a couple times and Tifa stopped him...

I guess him moving in the bed woke her?

 

[Max Caulfield]

Would this be any different than the Zack deal?

Not really, no.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Ryu if you don't wanna answer the question...
EDIT:
okay Ryu's not the only one XD

Okay what if Cloud wanted to go somewhere and Tifa didn't want him to because it was dangerious. And Cloud tried to sneak out a couple times and Tifa stopped him...

that's still too different isn't it?

Not only that, but you're being far too hamfisted in your scenarios.

You are trying to make analogues between Aerith's letters to Zack to try and make sure he's still alive to Aerith doing THING to contact Cloud from beyond the grave for REASON, and between Cloud kipping off in the middle of the night to get back to Tifa and AVALANCHE and Aerith stopping a man she barely knows from leaving and staying up all night to do so to, well, essentially the scenario of AC/C but Tifa pulling Cloud's ass back into bed a few times before he gets clever and says he's going to the can before kipping off.

You're trying to make analogies between non analogous scenarios.

And Aerith did try and contact Cloud for quite some time. Not so she could learn whether or not he was alright, but to TELL him he was so.

 

[Strangelove]

i don't need to beg girl.

This topic just got interesting.

and i missed it.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Still, I disapprove of men hitting women. : /

Well, you enjoy your boring sex then.

Off topic, but of a woman hits a man, you smack the bitch back.

Seriously. I put up with that shit in the past (it's called being an abuser; I don't care if you are a female ), but if it happened again, the bitch would be knocked on her ass.

Still... you'd think that he'd hang around, because they did just get attacked and he would have no idea if they knew where she lived or not.

Also, there's the fact that he left without a word. You'd think that he'd at least leave a note saying, "I have to go take of something, be back in a couple of hours." in case she woke up and was wondering where he was.

He agreed to take her home, not be her guard dog for the rest of his life. =P

The LTDs have taught me that there are two ways to interpret that scene:
(1) Cloud was surprised and speechless when Aerith asked him to be her bodyguard and offered herself up to him for a date. He stepped in to stop the Turks from kidnapping her and so indirectly agreed to be her bodyguard. He decided to walk her home and then make his own way back to Tifa and AVALANCHE after that.

And he never did agree to be her bodyguard.

He nodded to her suggestion of a date as payment after telling her that being her bodyguard would cost her. He directly agreed to be her escort.

(2) Cloud was surprised and happy when Aerith asked him to be her bodyguard and offered herself up to him for a date. He immediately agreed, unlike the situation with Tifa where he had to be prompted/manipulated by guilt to agree. Obviously, this scene proves that there were romantic feelings between Cloud and Aerith from the start.

How did Cloud get manipulated into something he wanted to do anyway? Joining SOLDIER was largely about impressing Tifa.

He was no more manipulated into the promise than if a dude (i.e. me) asked a chick out and she said, "Well, okay, but will it be alright if we have sex on the first date?"

 

[Shadowfox]

He nodded to her suggestion of a date as payment after telling her that being her bodyguard would cost her. He directly agreed to be her escort.

I can't remember if he had nodded or not, tbh.

How did Cloud get manipulated into something he wanted to do anyway? Joining SOLDIER was largely about impressing Tifa.

In the first place, the ones who say that he was manipulated tend to deny that Cloud had ever wanted to impress Tifa, or just assert that it was only due to a silly childhood crush that he had long outgrown by the time we see the opening cinematic on FFVII Disk 1. From there, the promise is seen as something that he did not want to make, but was forced onto him instead by the pushy little town darling who had dreams of being rescued by a hero.

So in Midgar he's all ready to walk out of her life forever. Out of desperation to salvage her childhood dream, Tifa brings up the promise, hoping to guilt him into staying because only a louse would walk out of his childhood friend whom he'd once promised to protect. Her scheme works. And Cloud has been manipulated into staying on.