LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Strangelove]

Maybe you're not as into dudes as you thought you were, dude

 

[Tennyo]

lol Maybe not.

I think it has to do with how they see the game and the compilation as a whole. They see this beautiful love story between Cloud and Aerith, and if Cloud's with Tifa, that really puts a damper on that.

Here's what you're looking for:
http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?showtopic=947

AHMAHGAWD why did I click that link and read all of that? My brain is short circuiting now and I think my IQ has been cut in half.

I mean seriously after reading all that I can't help but think that none of them have actually ever played the game and maybe only read a poorly written synopsis of it on Wikipedia.

I mean, how can you honestly believe the stuff that they believe? None of it makes sense and none of their reasons jive with each other, much less the actual plot of the story.

To me, CloudxAerith was the only love story happening in FFVII.

Just because a couple looks good together (physically) doesn't mean that they are really meant for each other. If you hadn't played the game, and found a Cloti picture on the Net, I'm sure someone would definitely say, "They look nice, no?" smile.gif

Tifa loved the Cloud who had the appearance to be immortal, he was strong, confident, etc; If she got together with Cloud, she would see his weaknesses, his flaws, and would she continue to love him then? Aerith saw Cloud through all of the Zack-ish-ness ( wacko.gif ) and was able to see his weak side, and she continued loving him for it.

A Cloti ending would be kind of cheesy.

And a Clerith ending wouldn't be?

 

[Strangelove]

How exactly does Cloud being with Tifa break or ruin his character, exactly?

I cba reading through that thread to see if it's explained, so someone explain it for me

 

[Tennyo]

It is never explained. Tifa isn't Aerith, so Cloud being with her would go against his character. That seems to be their only reasoning. Because I guess FFVII was a huge epic love story and all. It's the most important aspect of the plot you know, because they said so.

 

[Isabella]

Because Cloud is their ultimate fantasy man who will pursue them to the ends of the earth, forsaking all others, especially that pretty, popular cheerleader who also digs him. If he ends up with Tifa he'll be just like the rest of those jerks in their school who went for the pretty girls. That would totally ruin his character.

They forget that the game is written by men and represents more a teen boy's fantasy than a female's -- two beautiful girls in love with the shy, awkward boy. One outgoing, who will pursue him at any cost; the other the lovely girl next store who you never had the guts to talk to. Pick your fantasy, gamer boys.

 

[Tennyo]

I've never thought of it that way before, Bella. That actually does make a lot of sense.

 

[Vendel]

I mean, how can you honestly believe the stuff that they believe? None of it makes sense and none of their reasons jive with each other, much less the actual plot of the story.

I love how they give qualities that could/should be applied for Aerith to Tifa.
"Tifa is clingy"
"Tifa doesn't know/understand Cloud"
"Tifa doesn't love the real Cloud"


And of course the opposite.
"Aerith is Clouds light"

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Because Cloud is their ultimate fantasy man who will pursue them to the ends of the earth, forsaking all others...

Cleriths want Edward Cullen. Nothing is as romantic as a desperate virginal stalker.

The thing is, what really gets me, is it's not a "pick one" and it's 'right' thing. Yes, you can have favorites. I've had people literally say "Well, I prefer Aerith, so Clerith is canon for me."

IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT, KIDDIES.

Yes you can have preferences, and yes, you can ship whatever the hell you want--heck, I'm the biggest Fack shipper on the planet--but the story, and specifically Cloud's role in it, is not optional anymore (not that it ever really was aside from disk one).

 

[Vendel]

lols someone said this in that form, "It means that Cloud will do everything to be with Aerith again, no matter what it takes".

he would of killed himself by now...

Oh they have plenty of BS reasons why he didn't do that before AC. After AC he doesn't have to dontchaknow?

im sure in CoT he said he could move on because he has tifa?
why cant they just see that he has not forgotten but has moved on

I personally don't like this line of thinking. Cloud never had to "move on" from Aerith. Tifa was never his second choice or backup plan. The only thing Cloud had to deal with was his guilt issues. Not his ...undying love for Aerith.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I love how they give qualities that could/should be applied for Aerith to Tifa.
"Tifa is clingy"
"Tifa doesn't know/understand Cloud"
"Tifa doesn't love the real Cloud"


And of course the opposite.
"Aerith is Clouds light"

Tifa is so clingy that she refuses to let him leave Seventh, going so far as to block his exit so that he has to try and sneak away...wait, nope, uhm, oh, yeah, she's so clingy that right after he rejected her beneath the Highwind she asked Cloud to start a new life with her...no, wait....well, she is so clingy that whenever he leaves she begs Cloud to stay with her...oh, wait, no... Hmmm, I'll get back to that.

Tifa doesn't know jack about Cloud! It's not like she realized something was off in his character upon first seeing him again after years...uhh... Hmmm...Well, she certainly didn't know the way into his heart...wait... Well, she certainly wouldn't be the one advising others on how Cloud is...wait...dammit, again.

Tifa in no way loves the real Cloud. He's simply an idolized version of Zack who she fell deeply and endlessly in love with while guiding him in Nibleheim. Duh. I knew I'd get one!

 

[Strangelove]

Cleriths want Edward Cullen. Nothing is as romantic as a desperate virginal stalker.

*takes notes on how to get women from the published wank fantasy of a middle-aged woman*

So long, brb when I've got some bitches in the kitchen, bitches

Not his ...undying love for Aerith.

But... but, his undying feelings! The ones Nomura totally compared to love!

 

[Homura Akemi]

I personally don't like this line of thinking. Cloud never had to "move on" from Aerith. Tifa was never his second choice or backup plan. The only thing Cloud had to deal with was his guilt issues. Not his ...undying love for Aerith.[/QUOTE]

I just said that so I did not sound if I was bashing clerith,(I Got in big trouble in a form once for something I said).

 

[DrakeClawfang]

"Aerith is Clouds light"

That's complete bullcrap. We all know Terra is his light.

 

[Dashell]

I do sorta see their point here. I guess it'd be like in FFX-2 if Yuna had a new boyfriend, I would have been disappointed as much as I despite Tidus.

But yeah I'm not sure why they're so upset about Cloud being with Tifa, it wouldn't cheapen the story at all IMO.

 

[Lily Ella]

Because Cloud is their ultimate fantasy man who will pursue them to the ends of the earth, forsaking all others, especially that pretty, popular cheerleader who also digs him. If he ends up with Tifa he'll be just like the rest of those jerks in their school who went for the pretty girls. That would totally ruin his character.

Seems like some women/girls didn't get enough love & attention when they were younger. Stephanie Meyer seems that way to me. Bella is obviously her... and these are the fantasies that she had, while sitting in her little lonely corner of the room & watching her dream boy and his girlfriend.

Actually... maybe Edward wasn't the guy she liked. I'm thinking that maybe Jacob was the dream guy that ignored her back then, and in her fantasy, he's all of a sudden in love with her, and she gets to reject him, and she can now shove someone totally betterz and hotterz in his face.

/wow, random tangent

IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT, KIDDIES.

Some are quite convinced that it does. Apparently, since FFVII is so open to interpretation, every interpretation is canon! And on a somewhat random-yet-related note, I once heard (well, read) someone say that since the creators of FFXII never officially announced who the canon couples were, they could make up ANY PAIRING THEY WANT, and it would totally be canon! Yayz!

WUT. And do creators/writers need to hold press conferences to tell people who the couples in their stories are now?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Here's what you're looking for:
http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?showtopic=947

lols someone said this in that form, "It means that Cloud will do everything to be with Aerith again, no matter what it takes".

he would of killed himself by now...

Would 'have', but yes, he has had numerous chances to do 'everything' to be with a dead girl, and every time, he's chosen to fight and live.

im sure in CoT he said he could move on because he has tifa?
why cant they just see that he has not forgotten but has moved on

Well, not 'moved on', since that sort of implies he was hung up on Aerith romantically- and he didn't even wait a month before sleeping with Tifa under the highwind and asking her to be by his side from then on.
And CoT doesn't say he can 'move on', actually. It says he believes he can successfully start a new life where previously he had failed because this time he has Tifa by his side, and in a different way than before.

Tennyo- Re: the 'will she still love him if she learns of his weaknesses' argument, did the never see the Lifestream sequence, or AC/C, or the 'She knows him all too well and supports the mentally weak side of him' quote?
Or are they merely filtering them with the pink goggles?

Lily- Yes. That's why I'm holding a press conference for every love story written in the last thousand years or so.
We'll learn if Beauty and the Beast are a couple, or if they just like dancing closely.
I also plan on settling the Hetero/Homo debacle in Kingdom Heart's love angle, and all other disney products.
Plus, I'll finally settle once and for all the fate of Orihime and Hikoboshi.

 

[Isabella]

Just got around to reading some of the posts at that link. Well dayum, if that Tifa character isn't EVIL! No wonder Cloud couldn't possibly love her. She's horrible! Did y'all know she kept the truth from Cloud because she didn't want to lose her own fantasy of him being a first class SOLDIER? Or that she's mad at him for not fighting Geostigma because that's what her idealized hero would do? Why doesn't she just leave poor Cloud alone!

 

[Dashell]

I don't care if they see this. The way they demonize Tifa is absolutely disgusting. Do you see anyone here calling Aerith a whore or talking about how she did this and that wrong? No, in fact I've only ran into one Cloti who ever did this.

It's really pathetic. And, no, it's NOT character analyzing as I've been told. It's pointless and worthless degrading of a decent character because she threatens your OTP.

EDIT
Bah I already feel bad that I said this

 

[DrakeClawfang]

I won't join in on the mocking, but will share one memory of CxA

There was a thread one time, the thread title was "Is Tifa a Mary-Sue?", and the TC listed reasons why she thought so. Except the TC's username was something like "Goddess Aerith" or something, so...

 

[Dashell]

I won't join in on the mocking, but will share one memory of CxA

It's not mocking, it's character analyzation
and FYI I didn't post that topic for people to mock it, I knew it would happen but people asked why they were so against CxT and that topic says why.

There was a thread one time, the thread title was "Is Tifa a Mary-Sue?", and the TC listed reasons why she thought so. Except the TC's username was something like "Goddess Aerith" or something, so...

IIRC she said that Tifa had no reason to be mad at Shinra
Lousy Tifa hating people just for killing her family and burning her hometown. What a bitch.

 

[Vendel]

C'mon drake and Q. Give in to your anger......

With each passing moment, you make yourself more cloti!

 

[DrakeClawfang]

I'LL NEVER JOIN YOU!

 

[Isabella]

It's hard not to get snarky when faced with so much ... I don't even know what to call it. Is irrationality a word?

 

[Dashell]

Hi shenron118, you should really consider posting

EDIT
She's gonna post one of these days...

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Just got around to reading some of the posts at that link. Well dayum, if that Tifa character isn't EVIL! No wonder Cloud couldn't possibly love her. She's horrible! Did y'all know she kept the truth from Cloud because she didn't want to lose her own fantasy of him being a first class SOLDIER? Or that she's mad at him for not fighting Geostigma because that's what her idealized hero would do? Why doesn't she just leave poor Cloud alone!