Most Powerful Hero/Villain

[Buster Sword]

Right, sure it does Concession accepted then.

And yup. That fits Chaos. Considering that not only did it trascend all dimensional barriers and amalgamated the worlds of each FF into one, but it has won the previous conflicts with Cosmos before within the cycle and thus managed to increase its power over discord as well.

Wow, your ego is bigger than Vagrants, all time new fail.

Of course you would say it fits Chaos, if you want to have your victory then so be it.

Just a side note, if you really think about the bolded part, that just proves my point haha.

But

You still haven't got my wacky smiley yet.

 

[Makoeyes987]

If you mean by my rebuttal of your weak attempt at a concession, then sure, whatever. I guess you've tired of repeating the same point again.

And it does apply since that's what happens in the story. Would you like to again, try to put forth evidence of the contrary instead of merely saying so, as if your assertion is proof enough? If anything, that would be egotistical, since you seem to think whatever you say requires no proof from the actual narrative itself. Chaos has won many times before as a god, and thus accomplished its world plan. It has accomplished the illogical by resurrecting the dead and creating a timeloop, thus existing in the past, present and future. Yeah. That fits the very thing you said.

 

[Buster Sword]

If you mean by my rebuttal of your weak attempt at a concession, then sure, whatever. I guess you've tired of repeating the same point again.

And it does apply since that's what happens in the story. Would you like to again, try to put forth evidence of the contrary instead of merely saying so, as if your assertion is proof enough? If anything, that would be egotistical, since you seem to think whatever you say requires no proof from the actual narrative itself. Chaos has won many times before as a god, and thus accomplished its world plan. It has accomplished the illogical by resurrecting the dead and creating a timeloop, thus existing in the past, present and future. Yeah. That fits the very thing you said.

Of course Mako, whatever floats your boat. Don't assume you know why I stopped, more arrogance ftl.

If he is so powerful and omnipotent, how can his power increase?
I've seen Superman pull off better feats. Read comic ftw

 

[Tetsujin]

If he is so powerful and omnipotent, how can his power increase?

How can it not?

No one ever said he is omnipotent as in, an absolute almighty being that can't grow any stronger because it already is everything one can be. Chaos is not the God of Christianity or something.

...o Discordia....

 

[Makoeyes987]

A concession is a concession. I really couldn't care less as to why, I'm just stating the obvious and how you accusing me of making a baseless argument like you were doing is wrong and absurd.

His power can increase because the balance of harmony and discord can be tipped in either favor. By him finally achieving the means to destroy Cosmos, then discord wins and thus he's the reigning god of all existence and discord consumes everything. His force isn't the only force in existence.

 

[Buster Sword]

How can it not?

No one ever said he is omnipotent as in, an absolute almighty being that can't grow any stronger because it already is everything one can be. Chaos is not the God of Christianity or something.

...o Discordia....

Actually, that's what omnipotence means, being that no one can even come close to touching you. There are several interpretations, but omnipotence is widely accepted as unlimited etc power.

Which is what I am arguing against, and Mako for.

BUT having read what you said, you actually can see that Chaos ISNT omnipotent.

A concession is a concession. I really couldn't care less as to why, I'm just stating the obvious and how you accusing me of making a baseless argument like you were doing is wrong and absurd.

His power can increase because the balance of harmony and discord can be tipped in either favor. By him finally achieving the means to destroy Cosmos, then discord wins and thus he's the reigning god of all existence and discord consumes everything. His force isn't the only force in existence.

If you don't care, why post? You obviously care I care, I post, you care too. It doesn't really suit you tbh.


Then he was never omnipotent. Thank you And Tets sees that too, more thank yous.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I said I didn't care about the reason of your concession. Read my words please. I never said I didn't care about the topic.

Here's the definition of Omnipotent from dictionary.com

omnipotent
om⋅nip⋅o⋅tent
   /ɒmˈnɪpətənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [om-nip-uh-tuhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

The second definition is the applicable definition for Chaos. He has great power and authority over the villains and worlds of Final Fantasy. Omnipotence doesn't have to match the definition of the Judeo Christian God or context, Buster. Hence, Chaos is omnipotent.

 

[Buster Sword]

I said I didn't care about the reason of your concession. Read my words please. I never said I didn't care about the topic.

But you cared enough to comment on it though.

The second definition is the applicable definition for Chaos. He has great power and authority over the villains and worlds of Final Fantasy. Omnipotence doesn't have to match the definition of the Judeo Christian God or context, Buster. Hence, Chaos is omnipotent.

You didn't bold the first definition, because you know that is what I am talking about. The Judeo Christian God definition is at the top for a reason.

 

[Tetsujin]

You didn't bold the first definition, because you know that is what I am talking about. The Judeo Christian God definition is at the top for a reason.

Nobody has been arguing though that his omnipotence is that of the Judeo Christian mofo.
Wasn't it somewhat established earlier on? o.O

 

[Makoeyes987]

...Because as I explained, you trying to say I'm making a nonsensical, baseless argument like you've been doing is wrong, and I wanted to call you out on that. Do you not understand a refutation of a statement?

Words have more than one definition. Meaning omnipotence can have two different contexts. It doesn't matter what number one of them is, as long as it fits the definition. Whichever definition fits the respective subject is the one that's first and important. I have no idea why you're bringing up which definition is numbered. No one is arguing Chaos fits the first definition. That's another irrelevant statement that doesn't prove your point at all. Chaos is omnipotent.

 

[Buster Sword]

Nobody has been arguing though that his omnipotence is that of the Judeo Christian mofo.
Wasn't it somewhat established earlier on? o.O

I made it clear that's what I was talking about, and we use the most common defintion for omnipotence, and that being the JC one. It ain't my fault some chose to ignore it.

Dacon agreed with me, then it got dragged up again.

So we agree Chaos cannot do everything logically possible?

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's most common to you, but news flash...not everyone thinks like you. Masamune already showed the definition of omnipotence that suits the villains of Final Fantasy and Chaos. And I've just showed it to you as well. Chaos is omnipotent.

Chaos can do everything that is logically possible, likewise he has done the illogical. No, we do not agree on that. I don't know why we suddenly would when you've shown no proof for your position at all and it contradicts Dissidia completely.

 

[Buster Sword]

...Because as I explained, you trying to say I'm making a nonsensical, baseless argument like you've been doing is wrong, and I wanted to call you out on that. Do you not understand a refutation of a statement?

Words have more than one definition. Meaning omnipotence can have two different contexts. It doesn't matter what number one of them is, as long as it fits the definition. Whichever definition fits the respective subject is the one that's first and important. I have no idea why you're bringing up which definition is numbered. No one is arguing Chaos fits the first definition. That's another irrelevant statement that doesn't prove your point at all. Chaos is omnipotent.

The more you talk, the more you show you care.

Top and most common defintion is obvious, you could have use another word or phrase, such as vast amounts of power, but you chose to use omnioptence knowing full well that the most common meaning is unlimited power.

That's most common to you, but news flash...not everyone thinks like you. Masamune already showed the definition of omnipotence that suits the villains of Final Fantasy and Chaos. And I've just showed it to you as well. Chaos is omnipotent.

Chaos can do everything that is logically possible, likewise he has done the illogical. No, we do not agree on that. I don't know why we suddenly would when you've shown no proof for your position at all and it contradicts Dissidia completely.

It actually isn't. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4TSEA_en-GBGB293GB293&num=100&q=define:+omnipotence&meta=

There, you have just stated you think Chaos is the JC God, by saying he can do anything possible/impossilbe. When that would make him the first definition, which you have admitted he isn't.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, okay.

Umm, just because its the most popular, doesn't mean its applicable. If that's the case, words would only have one definition because everyone would be going by the context of the first and the second definitions would never have any use. Way to go at making absolutely no sense. If you're not aware of a word's secondary usage and definition that's your own fault.

And no, I did not equate Chaos' omnipotence to God. His omnipotence is the second definition, while he's still capable of doing the logical and illogical. The ability to do the to logical and illogical while being defined as one of the definitions of omnipotent isn't mutually exclusive. It can work for either definition. That's a "false dilemma" fallacy if ever I've seen one.

 

[Buster Sword]

The best response to that would have been no response at all ha. xD

If you know it's the most popular and most commonly used defintion, why are you still saying he is omnipotent then? You do know that's why people use NIGH omnipotent instead of omnipotent? It's to remove the confussion because the most common use of omnipotnce is unlimited power. You not stating that is your fault. Has nothing to do with awareness, I know what definition I was using, but you still say Chaos can do the logical/illigical.

Doing the illogical and logical IS outright omnipotence. Casting magic in FF is NOT illogical, but Cloud suddenly being able to survive in space IS illogical, with respect to FF, Chaos is not omnipotent.

I see you finally indirectly admit he's not omnipotent then.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Sure it would.

Just because its the most popular definition, doesn't mean its the exclusive definition. I guess all those polytheistic gods and goddesses who are omnipotent but are also not as all powerful as the Judeo Christian God are just shit out of luck in terms of describing their omnipotence and relevance within their respective religions.

No, doing the illogical and logical is not omnipotence. Its...doing the logical and illogical. Way to go at making a false dilemma again. Raising the dead and smashing the dimensions and worlds together into one is illogical, likewise being able to create a timeloop where you simultaneously exist in the past, present and future is illogical too.

And nope, I didn't. Are you thick now, or something? What are you talking about?

 

[Buster Sword]

Still I see.

Yes, Zeus, Odin, Shiva aren't omnipotent, your point?

That's its definition, illogical and logical = everything. It isn't really illogical in the fictional verse. Because he's always done the said feat, if he suddenly does something thats OMG, then it's illogical.

Starting to insult now? Breaking the rules you supposedly stand by?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Ummm...yeah, Zeus, Odin, and Shiva are omnipotent. Did you forget the definition of omnipotent that quick? Here, I'll remind you.

omnipotent
om⋅nip⋅o⋅tent
   /ɒmˈnɪpətənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [om-nip-uh-tuhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

According to the second definition. They are. Period. Learn to read, it'll help you make a coherent point.

 

[Buster Sword]

Ummm...yeah, Zeus, Odin, and Shiva are omnipotent. Did you forget the definition of omnipotent that quick? Here, I'll remind you.


Quote:
omnipotent
om⋅nip⋅o⋅tent
   /ɒmˈnɪpətənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [om-nip-uh-tuhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

According to the second definition. They are. Period. Learn to read, it'll help you make a coherent point.

Are they omnipotent or nigh omnipotent? Unlimited would mean they are the JC God. Please stop trying to belittle me and debate, you spend more time trying to do that, than actually show Shiva's etc omnipotence.

 

[Makoeyes987]

They are omnipotent as per the second definition. If they have great power and are a god, then yes. They are. It's in black and white text.

If you spent more time trying to make a coherent, relevant point instead of dancing around the issue, you'd actually make more sense.

 

[Buster Sword]

They are omnipotent as per the second definition. If they have great power and are a god, then yes. They are. It's in black and white text.

If you spent more time trying to make a coherent, relevant point instead of dancing around the issue, you'd actually make more sense.

Unlimited = Infinite, so by this defintion they should be outright Gods, but you yourself have aditted, they aren't.

There you go again, lol.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I guess you missed the "or" in the second definition, denoting that it could be either concept, and not the other. "Having very great or unlimited authority or power." Which, in the case of Shiva would be, "Having great power" and "Having great authority."

 

[Buster Sword]

I guess you missed the "or" in the second definition, denoting that it could be either concept, and not the other. "Having very great or unlimited authority or power." Which, in the case of Shiva would be, "Having great power" and "Having great authority."

Which would be nigh omnipotent.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Uh no, that'd be the second definition of omnipotent. Can you not read now? Or are you just closing your eyes while you post?

omnipotent
om⋅nip⋅o⋅tent
   /ɒmˈnɪpətənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [om-nip-uh-tuhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

According to the second definition. They are. Period. Learn to read, it'll help you make a coherent point.

See that? Second definition applicable. Meaning they are omnipotent. Now move on, please.

 

[Buster Sword]

Uh no, that'd be the second definition of omnipotent. Can you not read now? Or are you just closing your eyes while you post?



See that? Second definition applicable. Meaning they are omnipotent. Now move on, please.

Definition of Nigh:
near, close by; almost, nearly

They aren't outright Gods with a capital G, so they are "close" "near"

Don't you get tired of your insults?