Most Powerful Hero/Villain

[Shademp]

But then Chaos isn't absolutely omnipotent either, because if he was he wouldn't have been defeated. And what makes the other villains' power limited to their respective worlds? In AC, Sephiroth is preparing to go planet-hopping if it wasn't for Cloud.

One would assume that Sephiroth requires spirit energy in order to work that magic. In a non-FFVII universe the dynamics of the Lifestream probably doesn't exist; hence his powers become more limited.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Ahhh.... you bring up something very interesting that happens to Sephiroth though...

Spoiler

For awhile in Dissidia, Sephiroth had lost some of his memories. This was because he killed himself in the previous cycle of war as a test to see what was "real" in the world of Dissidia. He thought that he would come back through death because he had a hunch that he had done it before, and sure enough he was right. But he came back without the memory of it.

But when Chaos kills Cosmos and spreads discord everywhere and begins consuming everything, it's because of the discord itself he regains his memories and realizes that even in Dissidia's fractured universe, he could absorb the spirit energy there and begin his quest to become a god again.

And this happens during Shade Impulse. His lovely chat with Garland allowed him to remeber.

Tl;dr that's not necessarily true.

 

[OWA-2]

Ignoring Dissidia's story(I don't consider it canon to the other FFs), I would say that the strongest are:

Terra, because of all her powers and feats as a half-Esper. For example, destroying 50 Magitech knights under 3 minutes, at the start of the story.

Ultimecia and Cloud of Darkness.
Ultimecia because of all the magic power she have(gains the power of every sorceress in history, and can even manipulate time).
And Cloud of Darkness because she is the friggin Void, something that can destroy all existence, and that consumed Ex-Death(this is why I consider the CoD stronger than him).


Woah! Girl-Power.

 

[Masamune]

One would assume that Sephiroth requires spirit energy in order to work that magic. In a non-FFVII universe the dynamics of the Lifestream probably doesn't exist; hence his powers become more limited.

Spirit energy/magic are a prevalent part of the FF mythos, therefore Sephiroth would surely be able to tap into other worlds.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Uh, Dissidia's story is canon. So ignoring it is completely ignoring the entire point and perspective of the Final Fantasy universe and the canon depiction of all the villains interacting with each other.

Which would be the best lens to gauging which villains are stronger and thus answering the question which is the entire topic of this thread.

 

[Shademp]

Spirit energy/magic are a prevalent part of the FF mythos, therefore Sephiroth would surely be able to tap into other worlds.

I still think it is uncertain as to how compatible the magic of each FF universe are. They have different sources and work differently. The magic in FFVI is not suggested to be part of the cycle/circle of life, nor is FFVII's magic through the Lifestream dependant on the existant of three divine statues in order to exist. Maybe FFVII and FFX are more compatible in this fashion, due to their alleged connection.
I have to admit though that if the goddess statues of FFVI were necessary for Kefka and Terra, it wouldn't make sense that they can use magic anywhere in Dissidia. That is unless their connection with the statues go even between universes.

So this is one reason I find it difficult to compare the power of the villains and heroes; their worlds, probably, work differently.

 

[Makoeyes987]

But there are overlaps in Dissidia, as I just demonstrated with Sephiroth. And Dissidia's world and dimension is an amalgamation of all the worlds of FF. Therefore, there would be spirit energy. From FFVII, FFIX, and FFX's world.

Furthermore, Kefka has the power of the Warring Triad at his disposable. That's the name of his Ex-Mode transformation. Likewise, Terra has her powers as an Esper once again.

And yes, its hard to compare the heroes, but with the destructive, and powerful otherworldly powers the villains possess, its easy to compare their powers since they're tied to specific plot elements and fantasy terms. Chaos is clearly shown to be above and beyond the villains of Final Fantasy. Which is rather fitting since he is the grand daddy of them all.

 

[Buster Sword]

Um, yeah. You just debunked your own argument. The puppet master has complete control over his puppets. That fact that you can influence another being to act according to your will, pretty much proves Chaos is stronger than the other villains. Ok, Ultimecia can compress space and time, and others have the power to blow up planets. Whoop-dee-fucking-do. Chaos can prevent or allow those actions on a whim.

The Emperor isn't more powerful than a full potential Vader, Yu Yevon isn't more powerful than Sin. Adrian Veidt isn't more powerful than Dr Manhattan and so forth. Manipulation doesn't equate to somehow being more powerful.

To further debunk your argument with Ultimecia...time and space exist within that universe, not outside of it. Thus, Chaos remains immune from her power.

If time and space are destroyed, you don't have a universe, exisitng outside of time means you exist outside the universe.

And, as previously stated, the villains excluding Chaos have only been a threat to their planet. The fact that Chaos gathered these villains, forced his will upon them, and threatened the balance and existence of an entire universe, pretty much states he's the strongest villain.

Being the cunning one doesn't make you the most powerful.

points about Marvel are irrelevant. We don't know the true scale of any of the universes in either Final Fantasy or Marvel, so that argument is indubitably moot. And, Marvel has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.

Marvel is rellevant if one is saying omburd things like Chaos is omnipotent. We know that Marvel has many galaxies, just like our universe, we don't know how many galaxies are in our univserse but we still assume, Marvel has SHOWN it has plenty of galaxies. Nobody ever said Marvel had anything to do with FF, it's the fact that Mako assumes Chaos is omnipotent.

V's participating because he can and there's nothing stopping him to. Just because he's bringing up the fact you're basing all of your points on absolutely zero evidence doesn't mean he shouldn't participate. You should probably support what you're saying like everyone else in this thread has asked you to. You make no sense.

Was never out to stop him, just stating that fi he doesn't care, why is he still posting? I can't question that? All V has done is bring up a no limits fallacy and I call him on that. V has no evidence either, but you blow it over like its nothing, stop with the double standards already. I ask, what has Chaos done to show he outpowers them, because I am NOT the only one who isn't convinced that Chaos pwns all.

never said Galactus was omnipotent. Irrelevant. Again, what are you talking about? It was an analogy. Galactus has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Will you stop putting words into my mouth already, I never said you claimed Galactus was omnipotent, I said you saying Chaos is omnipotent or nigh would put him above Galactus which he clearly isn't. He has if I am comparing your over-estimation of the dude.

...Again, if I say the it isn't full omnipotence but partial...and his presence is through the entirety of discord, then clearly its partially omnipotence. If he IS the discord, and discord is everywhere and part of everything, then that's omnipresence. A part of the definition omnipotence. If he can see the past and the present, then that's *partially* knowing everything. He just can't see the future. It's imperfect omnipotence, just as I said.

Not even partial, dude and that's like he IS indeed above Galactus then, when he ISNT. This is where I disagree because even nigh omnipotent beings HEAVILY out power Chaos from other fictions, so to even state he is partially omnipotence is just silly.

And they probably aren't "stomping planets" like before because they're in a war fashioned by Cosmos and Chaos and thus have to fight against their respective heroes at the behest of Chaos. They aren't allowed to do what they want and thus have to play their part.

So they are holding back, lol watered down, thanks.

Chaos is omnipotent. His power extends across the worlds of Final Fantasy. But from the definition of the word, we could also argue that Safer Sephiroth, Kefka et al are also omnipotent at the height of their powers.

Nowhere near, Sefiros couldn't even beat Superman.

Yeah they are on their worlds. Not perfectly, but close. And yes...that's what makes Chaos different and more powerful. His power, his discord, extends all across the worlds and universes of Final Fantasy. Hence the entire conflict and storyline of Dissidia.

None of them in FF are even close to omnipotence.

But then Chaos isn't absolutely omnipotent either, because if he was he wouldn't have been defeated. And what makes the other villains' power limited to their respective worlds? In AC, Sephiroth is preparing to go planet-hopping if it wasn't for Cloud.

Isn't close, but gah.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Buster, you make as much sense as a garden hose. Are you even reading what you're typing?

Cookie Monster and I just fucking said that bringing up other franchises means absolutely nothing to the topic at hand. What does comparing Vader, Veidt, Dr. Manhattan have to do with anything? Their context and comparison means jack. Chaos isn't manipulating. He's saying "Obey me and fight for my cause." There's no manipulation or cunning. It's ordering and control. Keep up and understand what everyone's saying, please.

And no, you clearly don't understand Chaos or the context of what Cookie Monster said. Chaos is not dependent on time or space to exist or fight within. "The flow of time does not exist amidst the discord." That's straight out of Chaos' own mouth if he fights Ultimecia. Discord is unaffected by time because discord is discord. It is entropy.

And again, I said Chaos is partially omnipotent, just like everyone else. I guess you just can't wrap your mind around it but the facts of the game say it quite clearly and everyone else seems to grasp it quite easily.

And if you can't understand how Chaos being able to revive, summon and force the other villains to serve him, while also consuming all the dimensions of Final Fantasy proves he's superior to all other villains of Final Fantasy, then there's no hope and there's some sort of comprehension problem then. Because you've not shown any evidence to contradict the fact at all.

If they're watered down, pony up the proof, otherwise stfu cause they're not and saying so is stupid It's an irrelevant and stupid assertion when clearly the story shows otherwise.

And stop double posting, please. Use the edit button. It's why its there.

 

[Buster Sword]

Buster, you make as much sense as a garden hose. Are you even reading what you're typing?

Can we just debate and stop the condescending attitude?

Cookie Monster and I just fucking said that bringing up other franchises means absolutely nothing to the topic at hand. What does comparing Vader, Veidt, Dr. Manhattan have to do with anything? Their context and comparison means jack. Chaos isn't manipulating. He's saying "Obey me and fight for my cause." There's no manipulation or cunning. It's ordering and control. Keep up and understand what everyone's saying, please.

It means that being the mastermind doesn't make you the most powerful, how is it hard to grasp? I used other franchises as examples, you went on a 3 page off topic with Dacon in the evilist villain thing, so stop being a hypocrite.

The bolded part is for absolute BUSTER SWORD First off, you just said you and Road, now it's suddenly everyone, last time I checked not everyone in this thread has said Chaos is the strongest, but you don't even see that. Dark and Divine, User Name, OWA-2, they don't particularly agree, but you some seem to think that I am the only one who isn't convinced.

And no, you clearly don't understand Chaos or the context of what Cookie Monster said. Chaos is not dependent on time or space to exist or fight within. "The flow of time does not exist amidst the discord." That's straight out of Chaos' own mouth if he fights Ultimecia. Discord is unaffected by time because discord is discord. It is entropy.

I never actually said he was dependant on anything, I said killing space and time = destroying the unvierse. And Kuja also thought he couldn't die, how wrong was he?

And if you can't understand how Chaos being able to revive, summon and force the other villains to serve him, while also consuming all the dimensions of Final Fantasy proves he's superior to all other villains of Final Fantasy, then there's no hope and there's some sort of comprehension problem then. Because you've not shown any evidence to contradict the fact at all.

Being all powerful means you shouldn't have the need to revivie in the first place. Will you quit with the under covered insulting and just debate, you disagree with me, fine, but man oh man. Never heard of disproving a negative?

If they're watered down, pony up the proof, otherwise stfu cause they're not and saying so is stupid It's an irrelevant and stupid assertion when clearly the story shows otherwise.

So why didn't they unleash the hell they were capable of, because they were told not to, or they can't? If its so irrelevant, stop arguing it.

 

[Masamune]

@Buster - Just to clarify:

omnipotent
adj.
Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful.

universal
adj.
1. Of, relating to, extending to, or affecting the entire world or all within the world;

Both Safer Sephiroth & Kefka's power e.g. had consequences for the world at large. So literally, they do they come under the term 'omnipotent'.

 

[Buster Sword]

@Buster - Just to clarify:

omnipotent
adj.
Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful.

universal
adj.
1. Of, relating to, extending to, or affecting the entire world or all within the world;

Both Safer Sephiroth & Kefka's power e.g. had consequences for the world at large. So literally, they do they come under the term 'omnipotent'.

That's not a clear statement, sorry but I has to bring examples from Marvel again xD Galactus being one, holds the universe together but is still a few leagues off omnipotent.

Sephiroth and Kefka couldn't do everything possible, because if they could, they would never lose, it wouldn't even be a fight against the heroes, it would be massive rape.

Its only really the unlimited that makes sense.

 

[Makoeyes987]

You're not debating, Buster. Debating requires actual relevant points and rebuttals that stick to the topic at hand. Hence me questioning what you're talking about.

Your examples mean shit because they're wrong and out of context. Chaos isn't a mastermind. He's the leader. Through sheer force of will and strength. There's no manipulation. It's outright commandment. And what happened in another thread is irrelevant to the topic at hand, not to mention it was on topic for the thread since we were discussing the perspective and nature of what evil and good is, which was the topics subject regarding the villains of Final Fantasy. Don't pseudomod and try to determine what is or isn't on topic, please. That's for the mods to do.

Kuja wasn't a god, and furthermore, Chaos WANTS to destroy the universe, so he'd win either way. That point again, is irrelevant.

Chaos revived the villains of FF because Cosmos and Chaos were equal and thus to tip the balance in his favor, he needed more force from the side of evil to overthrow Cosmos the goddess of order and good. If it were just left to him, he wouldn't be able to stop Cosmos. Hence the army he raised in his favor.

And they did. What in Dissidia shows they did not? I'm still not seeing what you're talking about about them holding back. It'd be nice if you gave an example, like I asked a page ago. I said *your* assertion was irrelevant, not mine. I don't need to stop bringing it up because I never did. I'm saying the contrary.

...And either you did not read Masamune's definition or you're incapable of reading anything that proves you wrong. That definition of omnipotence clearly encompasses most of the villains of Final Fantasy right there.

 

[Tetsujin]

How can Chaos not be the biggest and baddest mofo if he summons all the villains regardless from what universe or space continuum they're from and is basically like "now go and fight, bitches".
All of the villains form quite the powerful force and Chaos is the one who controls them. He is above them.
I mean, he is a fucking god. The fucking god of discord. And not only the god of one world but of all worlds. How can anyone argue that anything could be above Chaos and Cosmos? Unless there is another god who created the gods.

 

[Buster Sword]

You're not debating, Buster. Debating requires actual relevant points and rebuttals that stick to the topic at hand. Hence me questioning what you're talking about.

That's more of the same from you. More condescended talk, dude, anyone can use examples, and just because it wasn't from the FF world, it carries the same point.

Your examples mean shit because they're wrong and out of context. Chaos isn't a mastermind. He's the leader. Through sheer force of will and strength. There's no manipulation. It's outright commandment. And what happened in another thread is irrelevant to the topic at hand, not to mention it was on topic for the thread since we were discussing the perspective and nature of what evil and good is, which was the topics subject regarding the villains of Final Fantasy. Don't pseudomod and try to determine what is or isn't on topic, please. That's for the mods to do.

He's the manipulator, call it what you want, he is the reason the villains are here. It is rellevant if you are pulling double standards, you do know what one is right? You actually stopped talking about Vayne and continued about the Geneva convention, this is no different here. I dont need to be a mod to know when something is off topic.

Kuja wasn't a god, and furthermore, Chaos WANTS to destroy the universe, so he'd win either way. That point again, is irrelevant.

You missed the point completely, of him being wrong. There are plenty of villains that want to do the universe in. So again you saying it is irrellevant holds little to no weight.

Chaos revived the villains of FF because Cosmos and Chaos were equal and thus to tip the balance in his favor, he needed more force from the side of evil to overthrow Cosmos the goddess of order and good. If it were just left to him, he wouldn't be able to stop Cosmos. Hence the army he raised in his favor.

If Chaos or Cosmos was nigh omnipotent, adding Sefiros and co wouldn't make a difference, because as you said Chaos is well above the rest, it makes no mathematical sense. You can't get more than infinity, so adding more power is silly on both of their part.

And they did. What in Dissidia shows they did not? I'm still not seeing what you're talking about about them holding back. It'd be nice if you gave an example, like I asked a page ago

You just said they didn't do planets over, so they didn't do what we know they are capable of.

And either you did not read Masamune's definition or you're incapable of reading anything that proves you wrong. That definition of omnipotence clearly encompasses most of the villains of Final Fantasy right there.

Still being condescended and a hypocrite I see, there's no shame in being wrong, because I could say the same for you.

I already replied btw if you didn't read.

 

[Alex]

Don't pseudomod and try to determine what is or isn't on topic, please. That's for the mods to do.

Pull your head out of your ass, please. I know your'e all up into your debate and thats cool and all but if he wants to say that he feels something is off topic then there is absolutely nothing to stop him saying that he feels it was off-topic. Try and keep your arguments on the debate at hand and not on the fact you feel like your precious e-authority is being undermined.

 

[Buster Sword]

How can Chaos not be the biggest and baddest mofo if he summons all the villains regardless from what universe or space continuum they're from and is basically like "now go and fight, bitches".
All of the villains form quite the powerful force and Chaos is the one who controls them. He is above them.
I mean, he is a fucking god. The fucking god of discord. And not only the god of one world but of all worlds. How can anyone argue that anything could be above Chaos and Cosmos? Unless there is another god who created the gods.

Summoning the summon doesn't make you more powerful than the beast you unleash, you understand that right?

God is a subjective term, which even Dacon agrees on.

Pull your head out of your ass, please. I know your'e all up into your debate and thats cool and all but if he wants to say that he feels something is off topic then there is absolutely nothing to stop him saying that he feels it was off-topic. Try and keep your arguments on the debate at hand and not on the fact you feel like your precious e-authority is being undermined.

WOAH.

It's just funny that I am not the only one who isn't convinced that Chaos is above all, but I'm the only one taking the fire, even though I myself haven't stated who is the strongest lol.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Triple posting now? Did you miss where I asked you to edit, instead of repeatedly making post after post? Please use the edit button. That's what its there for, dude.

Its not condescension, it's the fact. You're not bringing up any examples or facts at all. And you're bringing completely irrelevant points regarding the topic. It's almost a non sequitur.

Umm...if we're talking about the relative nature of good and evil regarding FF villainy, and we then talk about how evil is present in real life and justified by culture and morality...then yes. It's on topic. You're not making any sense bringing it up here and calling it off topic when it is and no one else said so, including the moderators. It makes no sense.

And I guess you missed me saying Cosmos and Chaos were equal. The whole entire reason the heroes and villains are present is because they can't defeat each other due to their equality and needed the respective characters to tip the balance of power and thus have the war reach a conclusion. Two gods of equal strength fighting, leads to no conclusion.

How is Chaos wrong? Chaos is not wrong in his assertion of being a god or wanting the destroy the universe. Do you have evidence of him being wrong?

....There are no planets to destroy because they're already gone. What are you talking about? And the definition of "omnipotence" clearly fits most of the villains of Final Fantasy. Unless you somehow think the dictionary is wrong and thus non-applicable.

@Ashes

First off, if you're gonna post in the thread, actually post on the topic at hand, and not to try to order someone on how they should post in the discussion. If he's gonna say something was off topic when it wasn't, then clearly I'm gonna correct him and tell him its an irrelevant point to the discussion at hand in the thread. Period. What you just said could be applied to him too, so the input is highly unnecessary.

 

[Tetsujin]

Summoning the summon doesn't make you more powerful than the beast you unleash, you understand that right?

God is a subjective term, which even Dacon agrees on.

In this case, it does. It's not like the summoning magics. He is not summoning some monster pets but powerful people with a stronger will than your average summon.

And Cosmos and Chaos directly affect the universes. It depends on them whether the whole worlds are thrown into discord or harmony etc.

None of the other characters have that effect on all of the worlds. Some of them can be glad if they even have that power over their own.

Also, edit button. Use it please. =o

 

[Buster Sword]

Triple posting now? Did you miss where I asked you to edit, instead of repeatedly making post after post? Please use the edit button. That's what its there for, dude.

Clearly.

Its not condescension, it's the fact. You're not bringing up any examples or facts at all. And you're bringing completely irrelevant points regarding the topic. It's almost a non sequitur.

You accuse me of seeing what I want to see, yet you do the same. It's a fact you've been hypocritical, but it's just a debate, right?

Umm...if we're talking about the relative nature of good and evil, and we then talk about how evil is present in real life and justified by culture and morality...then yes. It's on topic. You're not making any sense bringing it up here and calling it off topic when it is and no one else said so, including the moderators. It makes no sense.

So giving reasons why Chaos isn't omnipotent because beings who aren't omnipotent have done more is off topic? It's on topic because it debunks Chaos's omnipotence. If you want to accuse me of being ignorant, which I am being, you have only the mirror to look in.

And I guess you missed me saying Cosmos and Chaos were equal. The whole entire reason the heroes and villains are present is because they can't defeat each other due to their equality and needed the respective characters to tip the balance of power and thus have the war reach a conclusion. Two gods of equal strength fighting, leads to no conclusion.

I know they are equal, but adding less powerful beings adds nothing to the epic struggle. Of course it would lead to no conclusion, thats my point of them not being omnipotent.

How is Chaos wrong? Chaos is not wrong in his assertion of being a god or wanting the destroy the universe. Do you have evidence of him being wrong?

Well he is not omniscient. Do you have evidence of him being right other than hypoerbole?

....There are no planets to destroy because they're already gone. What are you talking about? And the definition of "omnipotence" clearly fits most of the villains of Final Fantasy. Unless you somehow think the dictionary is wrong and thus non-applicable.

So they are fighting on nothing? You don't need to destroy a planet to unleash the power of a planet buster. No they are not, do you want me to give you insane amount of examples of what FF villains CANT do?
Look another definition, disagree and you are a hypocrite "the state of being omnipotent; having unlimited power
"

In this case, it does. It's not like the summoning magics. He is not summoning some monster pets but powerful people with a stronger will than your average summon.

If he is so omnipotent, why does he need non omnipotents, because adding them would do nothing to Cosmos if she herself is an omnipotent too.

And Cosmos and Chaos directly affect the universes. It depends on them whether the whole worlds are thrown into discord or harmony etc.

Still doesn't mean one can do everything possible.

None of the other characters have that effect on all of the worlds. Some of them can be glad if they even have that power over their own.

Most of them lost before they did anything bad imo though, you hass to agree with that xDWell you don't, but meh.

Also, edit button. Use it please. =o

CBA

 

[Tetsujin]

If he is so omnipotent, why does he need non omnipotents, because adding them would do nothing to Cosmos if she herself is an omnipotent too.

Yes, it does. Because it tips the balance of harmony and discord in his favor.

There's more to it, but that's spoilerific.

CBA

Well, you should be. Because in future, I will not merge double and triple posts anymore but just delete them. So if you wanna see your efforts wasted, go on.

 

[Buster Sword]

Yes, it does. Because it tips the balance of harmony and discord in his favor.

There's more to it, but that's spoilerific.

Then Cosmos/Chaos was clearly not omnipotent if non omnipotents could affect them, you could have 10000 omnipotents Vs 1, and you would still have a draw.

And to your second point, it's cool, tis only a debate which is quite entertaining don't you think?

 

[Makoeyes987]

No, clearly I'm not seeing just what I want to see, otherwise, I wouldn't be replying in this thread still. You're ignoring the holes in all of your points and repeating them as if they hadn't been debunked at all. Repeatedly, and by different users, such as how the villains all are omnipotent to a degree, including Chaos. Or that examples from differing scenarios are irrelevant. You ignore that and repeat the same fail point again.

Beings who aren't omnipotent in another franchise means nothing when we're talking about Final Fantasy. Furthermore he fits the definition of partial omnipotence clearly if we go by the definition of the word and his powers. You don't seem to realize his power at all or are closing your eyes to it. If he fits the definition then, he is. Period.

And...if their powers are equal...then tipping the balance of power with more fighters in the war *would* change the struggle. I don't understand how that wouldn't, its common sense.

And Chaos is omniscient to a a degree if he can see the past and present clearly, and is able to transcend time and create a perfect timeloop. I'd say that's pretty god-like.

And the villains are fighting in a seperate dimension and world which is a combination of all the destroyed worlds of Final Fantasy. And who would be preforming a "Planet Buster?" Please give me an example because again, their powers are not lacking at all and there's no inconsistency. And the definition is highly suspect, using the same word as its defining. You didn't include the full definition that includes what the state of "omnipotent" entails. The definition defines nothing and uses its own word as an answer, which is dubious.

Cosmos is not a fighter, or destroyer. She is a creator and force of Harmony. To overthrow her, he needs to tip the scale of discord and thus overwhelm her power over harmony. Hence him needing other forces of evil.

 

[Buster Sword]

No, clearly I'm not seeing just what I want to see, otherwise, I wouldn't be replying in this thread still. You're ignoring the holes in all of your points and repeating them as if they hadn't been debunked at all. Repeatedly, and by different users, such as how the villains all are omnipotent to a degree, including Chaos. Or that examples from differing scenarios are irrelevant. You ignore that and repeat the same fail point again.

Beings who aren't omnipotent in another franchise means nothing when we're talking about Final Fantasy. Furthermore he fits the definition of partial omnipotence clearly if we go by the definition of the word and his powers. You don't seem to realize his power at all or are closing your eyes to it. If he fits the definition then, he is. Period.

And...if their powers are equal...then tipping the balance of power with more fighters in the war *would* change the struggle. I don't understand how that wouldn't, its common sense.

And Chaos is omniscient to a a degree if he can see the past and present clearly, and is able to transcend time and create a perfect timeloop. I'd say that's pretty god-like.

And the villains are fighting in a seperate dimension and world which is a combination of all the destroyed worlds of Final Fantasy. And who would be preforming a "Planet Buster?" Please give me an example because again, their powers are not lacking at all and there's no inconsistency. And the definition is highly suspect, using the same word as its defining. You didn't include the full definition that includes what the state of "omnipotent" entails. The definition defines nothing and uses its own word as an answer, which is dubious.

Cosmos is not a fighter, or destroyer. She is a creator and force of Harmony. To overthrow her, he needs to tip the scale of discord and thus overwhelm her power over harmony. Hence him needing other forces of evil.

And this proves that you are everything you claim me to be, agree to disagree, surely you can agree on that. It was good fun and all.

One more thing
A deity is able to do anything that is logically possible for it to do.
A deity is able to do anything that it chooses to do.
A deity is able to do anything that corresponds with its omniscience and therefore with its worldplan
A deity is able to do absolutely anything, even the logically impossible.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Right, sure it does Concession accepted then.

And yup. That fits Chaos. Considering that not only did it trascend all dimensional barriers and amalgamate the worlds of each FF into one while resurrecting the dead and annihilated, but it has won the previous conflicts with Cosmos before within the cycle and thus managed to increase its power over discord as well.