Most Powerful Hero/Villain
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Makoeyes987
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Actually, Aaron's opinion is shared by virtually everyone who's been seriously participating in this thread, so 
If you're not going to post anything of substance to the discussion at hand Dee, please post elsewhere. Don't spam and derail the topic. Period.
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That's the last time I'm gonna tell you not to spam, User. I said to post some substance. Say why you think Necron rules all. Stop the spam. Please.
Again, I didn't say Chaos was Galactus. Clearly the analogy flew past you. I said Chaos was like Galactus because both of them consumed worlds and universes. An analogy doesn't have to be perfectly equal. I'm comparing their elements and similarities. You're bringing completely unnecessary shit and points to a discussion of which villain is strongest in Final Fantasy. I said that in order for you to understand Chaos because you apparently don't.
Chaos is also present in the form of discord himself because Chaos *is* discord. So its not just omniscience. It's his presence as well. I am well aware of the definition of omnipotence. He's a god. Deal with it. That's the nature of the narrative and his character. Chaos clearly undid the death of the characters he summoned to his side of the conflict, so yes...that's him going against the law of nature. He brought characters who were dead, to life to fight for him.
Okay, which character is not at their peak? It'd be nice if you actually brought some examples to the table instead of just randomly saying things with no context or basis whatsoever.
If you're not going to post anything of substance to the discussion at hand Dee, please post elsewhere. Don't spam and derail the topic. Period.@User Name
That's the last time I'm gonna tell you not to spam, User. I said to post some substance. Say why you think Necron rules all. Stop the spam. Please.
Again, I didn't say Chaos was Galactus. Clearly the analogy flew past you. I said Chaos was like Galactus because both of them consumed worlds and universes. An analogy doesn't have to be perfectly equal. I'm comparing their elements and similarities. You're bringing completely unnecessary shit and points to a discussion of which villain is strongest in Final Fantasy. I said that in order for you to understand Chaos because you apparently don't.
Chaos is also present in the form of discord himself because Chaos *is* discord. So its not just omniscience. It's his presence as well. I am well aware of the definition of omnipotence. He's a god. Deal with it. That's the nature of the narrative and his character. Chaos clearly undid the death of the characters he summoned to his side of the conflict, so yes...that's him going against the law of nature. He brought characters who were dead, to life to fight for him.
Okay, which character is not at their peak? It'd be nice if you actually brought some examples to the table instead of just randomly saying things with no context or basis whatsoever.
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Makoeyes987
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No, there's no need to lock this. I'm going to remove these off topic posts and issue the appropriate warnings.
The thread's discussion value shouldn't be thrown into the shitter because a few posters can't play nice and have to act like 2 year olds.
The thread's discussion value shouldn't be thrown into the shitter because a few posters can't play nice and have to act like 2 year olds.
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Fair enough, however if User Name keeps fucking shit up, I'm warning the hell out of him.
Makoeyes987
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Agreed. Let's keep on topic, fgj
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thats right all u mods act like retards. fElderjffhsghsgs whoever u are mate.
I have always believe necron to be most powerful cos he isnt an actualy human being, he is the fucking earth god dammit, not many people can destroy him, apart from zidane crew, cos it had to be cos its a game.
I have always believe necron to be most powerful cos he isnt an actualy human being, he is the fucking earth god dammit, not many people can destroy him, apart from zidane crew, cos it had to be cos its a game.
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Chaos isn't human either, and neither are Exdeath or Cloud of Darkness. Also, Necron isn't the Earth. I have no idea where you got that idea from.
As for your flame of the staff, I feel they've actually handled this quite well. In fact, I'd have to say I've never had any major complaints with the way things are run here.
As for your flame of the staff, I feel they've actually handled this quite well. In fact, I'd have to say I've never had any major complaints with the way things are run here.
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Makoeyes987
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We're not acting like retards because we want the thread to stay on topic, User Name. It's called keeping things in order. I'm gonna let that little jab at us slide because I don't feel like anymore shit right now. But again, drop it. I am *not* saying it again.
As for your point, there are plenty of other enemies and villains that aren't human that have been shown to do more than Necron. And what do you mean he's "the earth?" Necron is again..a monster. I'm not sure what you're talking about. He's just a monster dude.
As for your point, there are plenty of other enemies and villains that aren't human that have been shown to do more than Necron. And what do you mean he's "the earth?" Necron is again..a monster. I'm not sure what you're talking about. He's just a monster dude.
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Makoeyes987
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That's some incredible fucking lulz, M.O.G. but we don't need to ban him...yet. I wanted to let that one slide.
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That's some incredible fucking lulz, M.O.G. but we don't need to ban him...yet. I wanted to let that one slide.
The next comment he makes is going to prove one of us right.
Makoeyes987
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Yes it will.
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Um, yeah. You just debunked your own argument. The puppet master has complete control over his puppets. That fact that you can influence another being to act according to your will, pretty much proves Chaos is stronger than the other villains. Ok, Ultimecia can compress space and time, and others have the power to blow up planets. Whoop-dee-fucking-do. Chaos can prevent or allow those actions on a whim.
To further debunk your argument with Ultimecia...time and space exist within that universe, not outside of it. Thus, Chaos remains immune from her power.
And, as previously stated, the villains excluding Chaos have only been a threat to their planet. The fact that Chaos gathered these villains, forced his will upon them, and threatened the balance and existence of an entire universe, pretty much states he's the strongest villain.
Your points about Marvel are irrelevant. We don't know the true scale of any of the universes in either Final Fantasy or Marvel, so that argument is indubitably moot. And, Marvel has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.
Now, considering your views of how arguments/debates should be run...please provide proof of another villain posing a bigger threat.
Also, fgj.
Um, yeah. You just debunked your own argument. The puppet master has complete control over his puppets. That fact that you can influence another being to act according to your will, pretty much proves Chaos is stronger than the other villains. Ok, Ultimecia can compress space and time, and others have the power to blow up planets. Whoop-dee-fucking-do. Chaos can prevent or allow those actions on a whim.
To further debunk your argument with Ultimecia...time and space exist within that universe, not outside of it. Thus, Chaos remains immune from her power.
And, as previously stated, the villains excluding Chaos have only been a threat to their planet. The fact that Chaos gathered these villains, forced his will upon them, and threatened the balance and existence of an entire universe, pretty much states he's the strongest villain.
Your points about Marvel are irrelevant. We don't know the true scale of any of the universes in either Final Fantasy or Marvel, so that argument is indubitably moot. And, Marvel has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.
Now, considering your views of how arguments/debates should be run...please provide proof of another villain posing a bigger threat.
Also,
fgj.
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Buster Sword
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I haven't been participating in most of this thread because I don't really care that much, but seriously. Buster, when you make an unfounded assertion that contradicts material in the games themselves, you need to bring up evidence that supports it. You're not simply right because you declare yourself to be right; no one has an obligation to prove your unfounded assertions wrong when the story itself indicates otherwise.
Beyond that, a lot of your most recent posts don't really even make sense to me
If you don't participate or care, why are you even pointing out your godly opinion. See this is where you are jst using Dissidia as a basisi for your argument, Masamune was making the same argument, but I don't see you having a problem with it, you even agreed, so please make up your mind.
You clearly do not understand not having to prove a negative, the owness is of you to prove the positive, if you say you can jump through a hoop, and I don't believe you, are aren't right until you show me you can, which you haven't been doing.
Why do you even care again?
I never said you said Chaos WAS Galactus, I am saying he is not on his level of power, I brought this up because you said he was omnipotent or close, which he is not. If you just accept that he isn't omnipotent it can continue, but you just let it completely go over your head and assume I said Galactus = Chaos when I did not. It's not unecessary, it's loosely to do with the topic, I do remember you in another thread ranting about evil and motivations, which was loosly based upon the thread, so please.
Its more limited omniscience, because he doesn't know everything all at the same time and everything that will ever be. I never said you weren't aware of omnipotence, stop putting words into my mouth, seeing the past and future =/= omnipotence, I never said Chaos wasn't a god either, but being a god doesn't necessarily mean omnipotence.
Then why aren't they stomping planets like they have done in their respective games?
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Makoeyes987
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V's participating because he can and there's nothing stopping him to. Just because he's bringing up the fact you're basing all of your points on absolutely zero evidence doesn't mean he shouldn't participate. You should probably support what you're saying like everyone else in this thread has asked you to. You make no sense.
I never said Galactus was omnipotent. Irrelevant. Again, what are you talking about? It was an analogy. Galactus has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
...Again, if I say the it isn't full omnipotence but partial...and his presence is through the entirety of discord, then clearly its partially omnipotence. If he IS the discord, and discord is everywhere and part of everything, then that's omnipresence. A part of the definition omnipotence. If he can see the past and the present, then that's *partially* knowing everything. He just can't see the future. It's imperfect omnipotence, just as I said.
And they probably aren't "stomping planets" like before because they're in a war fashioned by Cosmos and Chaos and thus have to fight against their respective heroes at the behest of Chaos. They aren't allowed to do what they want and thus have to play their part.
I never said Galactus was omnipotent. Irrelevant. Again, what are you talking about? It was an analogy. Galactus has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
...Again, if I say the it isn't full omnipotence but partial...and his presence is through the entirety of discord, then clearly its partially omnipotence. If he IS the discord, and discord is everywhere and part of everything, then that's omnipresence. A part of the definition omnipotence. If he can see the past and the present, then that's *partially* knowing everything. He just can't see the future. It's imperfect omnipotence, just as I said.
And they probably aren't "stomping planets" like before because they're in a war fashioned by Cosmos and Chaos and thus have to fight against their respective heroes at the behest of Chaos. They aren't allowed to do what they want and thus have to play their part.
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Yeah they are on their worlds. Not perfectly, but close. And yes...that's what makes Chaos different and more powerful. His power, his discord, extends all across the worlds and universes of Final Fantasy. Hence the entire conflict and storyline of Dissidia.
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I think discussing power is a very difficult thing. Yeah, apparently Chaos acts throughout all Final Fantasies and have great power wherever he is and can thus be judged as probably the most powerful villain. But this doesn't explain how one single character of your choice can prevail over a villain of such power; an obsolete part of the narrative which extends through all Final Fantasies and indeed most video games in general.
Admittedly it is preferred to have things this way rather than to always use a plot device that somehow weakens the final boss so that you can fight him (I think something like that happens at the end of FFIV, no?)
But outside of this issue, I can agree that Chaos seems to hold the torch. I can't weigh the heroes though.
Admittedly it is preferred to have things this way rather than to always use a plot device that somehow weakens the final boss so that you can fight him (I think something like that happens at the end of FFIV, no?)
But outside of this issue, I can agree that Chaos seems to hold the torch. I can't weigh the heroes though.
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Shademp said:
Uh..because the heroes are clearly strong through their own power and perseverance and thus are able to rise against the impossible odds and win despite being overpowered. I mean, that's not that hard to understand. People rise to the occasion and win against impossible odds when they truly feel something important is on the line and worth fighting for. That's the whole theme of how the heroes beat their respective villains in their Final Fantasies. Don't undercut the heroes. Being the strongest doesn't equal you'll always win. Other factors play a part in a fight.
And the crystal only made Zeromus tangible and reveal its true form. It didn't weaken his strength, save for removing his invulnerability.