New year, New LTD thread. (Round 5)

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Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
And here I thought it was a Cloud x Tifa fan club.

Seeing as the only thing I specified in the post this was responding to was, in fact, a Cloud and Tifa fanclub, this post really makes no sense in the context, especially if you were trying to say 'this thread' needs something new.

O dear God.

Are you serious?

Is this serious?

I go to sleep and the thread hits critical mass when my admittedly subtle suggestion that the thread needs some new blood goes rather woefully misunderstood. Sigh.

Not so much subtle as 'Opaque,' Megs. Nothing in your post above suggests 'this needs new blood.' None that anyone could determine, anyways.

:siskofacepalm:

I grow tired of personal arguments.

... except mocking ryu. that remains entertaining. I humbly apologize, but it's true. Fairly deserves it for ruining people's fun at a whim and at a slightest mistake.

At a whim? I will have you know I consider every possible repurcussion of ruining all your funs and think the matter over very carefully before going ahead and doing it anyways.


And if you folks think this thread needs new blood, suggest or find some. At the moment, you lot are actually more active in this one thread than I am.
 

Alessa Gillespie

a letter to my future self
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Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
in other news I like tifa's well endowed rack but cloud's lack of masculinity brings me worry. Despite this, I still love the couple. and always will.
ship tiguna, it contains vast manliness
 

Super Mario

IT'S A ME!
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Jesse McCree. I feel like a New Man
Aki you always know how to make me feel better.


Seeing as the only thing I specified in the post this was responding to was, in fact, a Cloud and Tifa fanclub, this post really makes no sense in the context, especially if you were trying to say 'this thread' needs something new. Not so much subtle as 'Opaque,' Megs. Nothing in your post above suggests 'this needs new blood.' None that anyone could determine, anyways. At a whim? I will have you know I consider every possible repurcussion of ruining all your funs and think the matter over very carefully before going ahead and doing it anyways.
And if you folks think this thread needs new blood, suggest or find some. At the moment, you lot are actually more active in this one thread than I am.

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Alessa Gillespie

a letter to my future self
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Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
subtlety is not an art that is easily taught.

you either understand it or else you have difficulty truly comprehending it.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
...which is what subtle means.

If no one gets it, it's gone well past subtle and into miscommunicated.
All you said was 'And here I thought it was a Cloud x Tifa fan club.'
The post you quoted specified only Faith, which is why everyone thought your sentence referred to Faith, that being the only defined, singular, thing in the quoted post 'it' would refer to grammatically.

Now, if you had maybe said, I don't know "And here I thought this was a Cloud x Tifa fan club." then your comment could have been read as being about this thread since it wouldn't be relying on an antecedent noun to give meaning to your unspecified 'it.'

Your point would still be pointless bush beating, but at least it wouldn't have been saying something entirely other than what you apparently intended.
 

Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
Too true, Aki dear.

And my words and my intent both expressed the same thing. There was no miscommunication.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
Too true, Aki dear.

And my words and my intent both expressed the same thing. There was no miscommunication.

Your words used an unspecified pronoun relying on an antecedent to give it meaning, and the only antecedent noun in the quoted material was other than that which you intended.
Your words did not express what you intended.

Also, if you would, explain how you use intent to express things, rather than using things to express your intent?
 

Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
No, my words expressed my exact intention.

You just didn't get it.

And no amount of arguing will change that.


I'm also reminded that I need to disable images while browsing from my phone. They make pages load dreadfully slowly.
 

Tifabelle

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Tifabelle, Nathan Drake, Locke Cole, Kain Highwind, Yamcha, Arya Stark
I go to sleep and the thread hits critical mass when my admittedly subtle suggestion that the thread needs some new blood goes rather woefully misunderstood. Sigh.

No, my words expressed my exact intention.

You just didn't get it.

As Ryu said, you made no such suggestion. In no way could a normal person have discerned you meant the thread needed new blood from "I though it was a Cloud x Tifa fan club". It was so subtle you actually didn't express anything.

Your words obviously did not express your exact intention, as several people who speak English fluently did not understand what you meant. You quoted Ryu talking about Faith and said you "thought it was a Cloud x Tifa fan club". Then Quex explained that Faith is a fan club and you subsequently linked Quex to the Faith thread. Your intent clearly should have been obvious but us lesser beings didn't understand your point.

If this was an attempt at humor, it clearly failed because you didn't clarify "it" as Ryu says. And it just confused people instead. No worries. Plenty of my jokes have gone unappreciated as well.

Everyone but Zee: ffs, who said it should be shut down, or was debating the semantics of the choice of 'debate' over "discussion'?

Actually, Zee and winter expressed their distaste for the thread. Which is where the conversation was prior to your entrance. One of them (Zee maybe) suggested moving the discussion to Faith. Meaning, she wants the thread closed and taken to Faith. However as we pointed out, a fan club for two people (FAITH) is no place for this type of discussion, which involves three (or four) people. Suggesting the discussion be moved to a different thread is the same as asking for this thread to be shut down.

Further arguments were made that there is nothing to debate. So suggestions were made to change the title from "debate" to "discussion" because apparently that would be less appalling. That was how it became semantics. Of course, even if they were right, I don't see how the thread's existence should cause such a stir when it could easily be ignored if you don't like it. There are plenty of threads here that I ignore as I have no interest in them.


Adri: Not cool, man. That's too far. Leave the personal shit out of it.

I don't know anything about this shit. But I do find it rather insulting that I or someone else would need to be schooled in the entire history of TLS in order to post and have an opinion. And perhaps I do know. After all, old threads are archived.
 

Tir McDohl

rune bearer
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Yula
Debates and intellectual discussions are not about 'liking' things but attempting to establish them through discourse, evidence, and reason.

And here I thought it was a Cloud x Tifa fan club.

I thought Omega was saying that this thread was no more than a Cloud/Tifa fanclub.

Sorry if I'm being stupid, which I probably am for even replying here. I just got up a sec ago and I have a fever so I'm going back to my bed.
 

Joe

I KEEP MY IDEALS
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Joe, Arcana
I don't know anything about this shit. But I do find it rather insulting that I or someone else would need to be schooled in the entire history of TLS in order to post and have an opinion. And perhaps I do know. After all, old threads are archived.
You don't need to be schooled in it. It has no place in this thread and anyone thinking otherwise is silly.:shifty:
 

Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
+5 respect, though I'm on my phone and can't properly respond.

Although I don't quite follow how it's personally insulting.
 

Tifabelle

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Tifabelle, Nathan Drake, Locke Cole, Kain Highwind, Yamcha, Arya Stark
Yula said:
I thought Omega was saying that this thread was no more than a Cloud/Tifa fanclub.

Sorry if I'm being stupid, which I probably am for even replying here.

Nah. Several of us were confused by it. But you're not stupid and you're welcome to post all you want. :monster:

Although I don't quite follow how it's personally insulting.

Insulted, but I didn't take it personally. Anyway maybe "rude" would have been a better word for me to use. It was said once to me and once to someone else (Yula in fact) in reponse to each of our posts. As if we shouldn't bother to respond because we don't know personal histories or whatever. I can still agree with someone without knowing personal history. In fact, not knowing personal history would make me quite objective on the matter.

Meh. Neither here nor there. It wasn't really a big deal.
 

Alex

alex is dead
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Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
I hear the best way to not make a big deal about it is to not drop the subject :oscar:

Move along kiddies, nothing to see here.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
I wish I'd have something else to say but... WTF IS THAT SHIT I DON'T EVEN-

Why are people ranting about the LTD here that I never saw in the first place? I mean, for Zee and others, I can get it, but people I've never seen talk here? Is it a new trend or something? Why do you even feel the need to come in here and make a jab at the thread? So, the existence of this thread was compared to the RP one? Anddddddddd? The point is? Attacking it just because someone made -GASP- an analogy? GTFO. [And yes, I did read all the versions of this thread before joining; they were hilarious and snarky, enough to make me want to join while I'm not really in the FFVII fandom].

Now, on topic:
Quex said:
Zee let me ask you something... [...] you were on CxA posting about the "Do you love me?" scene from CoT even making statements like "I get what the Clotis are saying about that scene but I think it's too soon for their relationship to be going bad." or somethin to that effect...
Too soon? I'm curious about this. I think, the answer is said by Cloud himself:
“Yeah. But sometimes I don’t know how to approach her.”
I don't think he was only talking about Marlene, but also about Tifa herself. Love doesn't make it easier, especially since Cloud has always been awkward and Tifa is easily worried - even if she gives him space, when one cannot enter the other's mind, there is bound to be some troubles. Cloud had been reminded of Aerith and how he failed to protect her, and what he treasures is also what he's too scared of losing.

There's nothing not important to Cloud. And thus, everything weight a lot on his shoulders. And because he was always awkward and shy, not to mention he never had a true teenage life, he is, IMHO, easily set off. Until the movie where he finally decides to fight this side of him, he is very difficult to approach. Even for Tifa who knows him the best - and especially because he builds walls and put distance between them.

P.S.: even if Aerith lived, she and Cloud wouldn't have mind blowing sex; reason: Tifa. She can't compete with the feelings that live in Cloud's heart, even if she had lived. XD I don't believe that her romance was heading anywhere *because* soon after she dies we find out he loves another girl and spends the night with her.
 

Tir McDohl

rune bearer
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Yula
Nah. Several of us were confused by it. But you're not stupid and you're welcome to post all you want. :monster:

Well, I wasn't confused by his meaning. I knew what he was saying. I just thought it was basically problems between members and I was trying to figure out what would be the best way to get to the heart of things.

The reason I said I felt stupid was because... I should have used the word pointless, really.

Because I:

I hear the best way to not make a big deal about it is to not drop the subject :oscar:

think it's better to drop it. That'll be all from me. I'm going to go under my covers and hopefully become a rock. *sneezes*

/flu
 
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The Twilight Mexican

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TresDias
Okay, people: No more discussing each other, no more discussing the relevance of the thread, no more discussing whether the thread is needed. It's queer and it's here (despite how many of us are shaking our heads at that, myself included), and it's time to move on.

If no one has anything much to say about the actual topic, it will die naturally on its own, as any other thread on this forum does. If you don't like the topic or don't give a shit about it, ignore the thread. Of course everyone has an equal right to post in the thread, but that applies only up until someone begins derailing the thread or infringing on others' ability to peacefully discuss the topic if they wish (you can usually tell if you're doing this because people will begin letting you know).

So, to summarize: Discuss the topic if you like it, ignore the thread if you don't.

This means no spamfest of humorous images or unrelated chitchat just to derail it, and it also means no spamfest of humorous images or unrelated unrelated chitchat just to keep it afloat.

As well, this means no endless discussion of what other people do or have done at this site, whether concerning the topic or not, and it also means no endless discussion of what other people do or have done at other sites (CxA, YouTube, etc.), whether concerning the topic or not.

I think that covers all the loopholes, and even if you find one that I missed, exploiting it to circumvent the spirit of this post will make me a unhappy panda, which will then lead to you being a sad one. Or at least one wearing some infraction flair.

Pretty sick of the shit that's been going on in here (as sick of it as I am of the LTD, in fact), and I'm saying it's stopping now. Following the recent bullshit with DLPB and then this, the lack of respect going around in here lately has reached fucking retarded levels. It's at the point now where someone actually suggested programming a measure into the site's code that would allow a user to be blocked from a thread if they can't be respectful to other members in that thread or restrain themselves from fucking it up.

I personally don't like this idea. I think it ignores the actual problem. I think you should be able to access everything or nothing, and that if you can't show respect in one area of the site, this speaks to an overall problem with how you're using the whole site. Feel free to disagree with me about that, but that's how I feel.

Now, I'm not saying you guys have to respect me or what I'm saying. You can write my name on notebook paper (that's Glenn Morrow, with two "n"s, thank you), shit on it, piss on it, light it on fire, and put the fire out by pissing on it again if you want. I don't care. I'm not even saying you guys have to respect each other. But you guys will either choose to treat other respectfully (different from actually respecting someone) or you will respect something else around here.

Not me, no. The buttons I can click on in your profile, though, yes.

For what it's worth, if anything, I like every last one of you. That being the case, I'm not interested in letting any of you infringe upon a pleasant forum atmosphere for any of the rest of you.

If any other mods or an admin disagrees with how I'm handling this, feel free to tell me. I'll still feel that it needed to be said, but I'm happy to discuss it with you.

And if anyone does actually give a shit about that tangent that cropped up, pretend the "D" in the "LTD" part of this thread's title stands for "Discussion." There's no debate going on here, hasn't been for a while, and we all know it. Pointing it out, though, doesn't change a thing.
 
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Dashell

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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
It's at the point now where someone actually suggested programming a measure into the site's code that would allow a user to be blocked from a thread if they can't be respectful to other members in that thread or restrain themselves from fucking it up.
I'll go ahead and confess that I was the one who sent this to X Soldier as an idea. It wasn't just for this thread but there seems to be several threads that certain people just cause shit in. But I'll leave it at that. If it's a bad idea it's a bad idea, I just know it's worked quite well on other forums I've moderated at.

I don't think he was only talking about Marlene, but also about Tifa herself.
I agree with this actually. I've seen it said many times that he was answering more for Tifa than Marlene... and i like the idea. That's all :monster:
 

Bex

fresh to death
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Bex
Guys, I hope you never change.
Don't ever close the ltd thread.

Because let's face it, totes hilar on every level.

Also, more lesbians pls
 

Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
Okay, serious question.

The way the game is written implies that Aerith is the canon choice - specifically, "Cloud's star and Aerith's star!" and the "poor Tifa" line, which occur regardless of the actual date scenes.

BUT THEN

Advent Children. Cloud and Tifa are living together, albeit with kids. If they weren't an item, it would make sense for SOMEONE else to also be there living with them, like Barret and Marlene (who already knows Tifa, and would have kids to play with, etc), or Yuffie or something.

But then they don't.

Why? =/
 
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