New year, New LTD thread. (Round 5)

[Elisa Maza]

CLOUD'S MIND BROKE WHEN ZACK DIED

WHEN AERITH DIED HE JUST GOT SAD AND WHEN HE THOUGHT TIFA DIED HE JUST GOT MAD

CLEARLY ZACK=MOST IMPORTANT IN HIS MIND

Oooookaaaaayyy... That's Clack. I'm taking about Fack.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Oooookaaaaayyy... That's Clack. I'm taking about Fack.

owait, fack is...

...

that's faris/zack rite

 

[Elisa Maza]

... I don't understand anything. I-I was talking about ZackxTifa... where does Cloud's invitation fit in this? And what id FSM? *weeps in a corner at her inadequacy*

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

you act like i actively search the thread for edits bro

also by ffvii ship namemoosh conventions shouldn't it be tick or tack?

 

[Elisa Maza]

I thought it was popular enough... I assumed wrong, my bad.

And this is how it is widely known, I didn't make that name. But Zati would make better sense.

 

[minimosey]

Tick-Tack-Toe, three facks in a row--

Yeah I'm guessing people call it "fack" for the sound-alike, because it really doesn't fit name smush rules.

GOING BACK A FEW PAGES, do the time warp!

From what I read, it seems that when asked if Tifa is Cloud's girlfriend, Cloud says something like "Are you stupid?" while if it were Aerith, it would be something like "Yes" or something. Apparently, anyone who even thinks that Tifa is Cloud's girlfriend is stupid because Cloud says so, and it makes Clerith canon.

I'm not making this up.

Now, I just found this on some stranger's blog or whatever, since I've taken to surfing the net for some Clerith proofs/debunking of Cloti.

Dude were you talking about calibabe's LJ? I'm pretty sure she was actually talking about Marlene's conversation with Cloud, where showing disinterest/confusion about Aerith nets you a "Stupid!". So not showing interest in Tifa, but being disinterested in Aerith. And it doesn't come from Cloud.

Yes, Marlene is a Clerith. IT'S CANON. (For the game, anyway.) And she even seems to understand that Tifa has feelings for Cloud, since she promises not to tell Tifa if Cloud answers positively. Little girl who demonstrates a kind of sixth sense at the end of the game ships Clerith at the possible expense of a mother figure's feelings, whooooa.

...Except probably any little kid would have figured Cloud wasn't interested in Tifa at the beginning of the game with how he acts, and Aerith just saved Marlene's butt, so. Yes. Marlene wants her new awesome friend to be happy! And Cloud doesn't like Tifa that way anyway.

Come to think of it, Cloud must have confused Marlene a lot when she saw him again, considering everything he went through in the game.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I thought it was popular enough... I assumed wrong, my bad.

And this is how it is widely known, I didn't make that name. But Zati would make better sense.

i know of the ship when it's called tick or tack cause i have heard a lot of people lovingly refer to it as 'their tictac'

 

[Elisa Maza]

Ο.ο

I like it!



... aaaand I'll stop with the off topic here. *goes back to sneaking around the forum*

 

[Celes Chere]

the CxA forums were trolled by retarded Cloti fans for a good 2-3 years by people who called themselves 'clitos' and were just generally the stupidest people ever.

I can at least understand why they'd be wary of letting a Cloti fan post on their Forums due to that treatment, but some of them act like every single Cloti fan acts that way, almost to the point where it seems that to them Cloti and Clerith are like different races that clash and can never get along. It's really actually kind of creepy to me when shippers treat each other that way, lol. Like if you don't like that ship you are automatically an untrustworthy bitch, or a liar, or backstabber. OxO And really, Tana and all those silly fools are basically gone... why the worry still? I think that the Forum there is much too sensitive, which is why they have such bad experiences with Cloti fans. I think they should be allowed to have a Forum, but I wish there was a Clerith Forum that I could post at. :c I don't like seeing Tifa bashing everywhere, or being so threatened by a pairing that even the slightest mention if it makes you go batshit, lol. I remember getting a warning on that newer Clerith Forum, because I said "I don't like Clerith as canon, but I really enjoy Clerith fanon." And because I said that Clerith was fanon, they wigged out at me. =I Fucking hell, calm yo tits. So yeeah, still hoping for a more open Clerith Forum some day because the pairing is fucking cute and I actually enjoy it. /sad face/
Oh and notice that I said *SOME* CxA posters not all. xD Well actually, I don't know if things on that Forum are still like that, I don't actively lurk there anymore because I just don't care. Well, unless it's to read the Dissidia Thread.
Because that shit is hilarious.

Much of my loathing towards Aerith and Clerith comes from the fans and shippers.

See, I don't get this. D: I think that everyone should form their own opinions, without the warped opinions of others. I mean we're always going to be influenced by others some how, but I find it rather easy to keep annoying fans in fandoms from ruining something I like, or could potentially like. I could never dislike something because of a fan/shipper.

 

[Fighter]

Please keep the butthurt under control. It's really quiet suspicious how touchy some people get. Like you care more than you pretend.

 

[Ryushikaze]

breaking news

clotis are assholes

Seriously though, I'll never understand how people can be so desperate to show how right and canonically-correct their pairing is they have to go somewhere that is clearly dedicated to another ship and preach from their little pulpits and wave their Ultimania bibles.

And while I agree with Tea - fuck what everyone else thinks (YUFFENTINE OTP) - it can get really tiresome when a place that's supposed to be a fun hangout to discuss your blasphemous non-canon pairing gets constantly invaded by canon crusaders.

I don't think anyone has actually ever considered 'invading' their little sanctum who wasn't a troll to begin with, so that's an entire nonstarter.
And that's without getting into the ye olden practice of Clerith gish galloping in threads at other forums to shout down anyone who dared suggest it wasn't canon.
The debate of today is barely the debate of two years ago, barely resembles that of five, and is nothing like that of seven.

Anyways, yes, people can ship who they want to ship in peace, but if we're pretending the CxA forum is merely shipping and does not have a serious element of people who still think the pairing is canon and actively encourage misunderstandings about the subject matter in support of proving that pairing is canon, we might as well pretend rocks are candy because that's bullshit too. The CxA forum was and to a large extent still is a forum dedicated to the proving C/A canon, and will likely remain so until the current powers that be are removed.

The pinkers are no less adamant, no less driven to demonstrate the canonicity of their pairing, and no less invested in this than they were.

But then again, THEY AREN'T THE PEOPLE WHO SHIP PAIRINGS AND DON'T CARE ABOUT CANON. Treating the two like they're the same like treating people who like Star Trek and people who think it's an accurate representation of humanity's future the same. Stupid.
And like that example, there's nothing wrong with calling the crazy group crazy, even if it's to keep them shut up.

And while I still think that invasion and trolling them is pointless, I don't think resting on your laurels is the right idea. Stupid is always waiting to crop back up, like all the people trying to push creationism as science. I'm certainly not advocating invading any churchec, but I'm sure as hell going to call a moron a moron on that one.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Please keep the butthurt under control. It's really quiet suspicious how touchy some people get. Like you care more than you pretend.

some random bullshit or something

wat

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Had an interesting moment pertaining to this thread yesterday. While losing my life to TVTropes, I somehow came across a locked discussion thread. Said thread almost entirely consisted of an edit war about putting Cloti into their FFVII articles as canon, and several related trope pages like "Will They Or Won't They" and "Victorious Childhood Friend" and so on. They were from just a couple months ago. It was actually scary how one single die-hard Clerith was fighting so hard to keep their pages neutral.

 

[Ryushikaze]

wat

Just because you don't understand doesn't make what he or I said any less valid.

 

[Dana Scully]

I don't think anyone has actually ever considered 'invading' their little sanctum who wasn't a troll to begin with, so that's an entire nonstarter.
And that's without getting into the ye olden practice of Clerith gish galloping in threads at other forums to shout down anyone who dared suggest it wasn't canon.

There are, of course, Clerith assholes/trolls/idiots too. Did not mean to imply otherwise.

The debate of today is barely the debate of two years ago, barely resembles that of five, and is nothing like that of seven.

I'm...not sure what this has to do with anything? I'm sure the LTD is nothing near as volatile as what it used to be - I wasn't around for it back then so I don't really know - but that doesn't change the underlying issues of people needing to invade other people's space just to prove a point.

Anyways, yes, people can ship who they want to ship in peace, but if we're pretending the CxA forum is merely shipping and does not have a serious element of people who still think the pairing is canon and actively encourage misunderstandings about the subject matter in support of proving that pairing is canon, we might as well pretend rocks are candy because that's bullshit too. The CxA forum was and to a large extent still is a forum dedicated to the proving C/A canon, and will likely remain so until the current powers that be are removed.

The pinkers are no less adamant, no less driven to demonstrate the canonicity of their pairing, and no less invested in this than they were.

Right. And the ones who claim it's canon are cray cray, I think everyone's agreed on that. I still don't get the constant need to drudge up their idiocy and screech at them when they clearly aren't going to change their minds.

But then again, THEY AREN'T THE PEOPLE WHO SHIP PAIRINGS AND DON'T CARE ABOUT CANON. Treating the two like they're the same like treating people who like Star Trek and people who think it's an accurate representation of humanity's future the same. Stupid.

And like that example, there's nothing wrong with calling the crazy group crazy, even if it's to keep them shut up.

I have nothing wrong with the namecalling that goes on here. By all means, Cleriths and Clotis can sling poo at each other in the streets until their arms fall off and I won't give a fuck. But taking it into another person's house just because you don't like their pink wallpaper that they insist on keeping even though everyone knows pink is wrong is immature and just plain ol' rude. It's their house, they paid for it and they're allowed to be stupid in it if they want to be.

And while I still think that invasion and trolling them is pointless, I don't think resting on your laurels is the right idea. Stupid is always waiting to crop back up, like all the people trying to push creationism as science. I'm certainly not advocating invading any churchec, but I'm sure as hell going to call a moron a moron on that one.

...Except this is about a fictional pairings with fictional characters in a fictional universe that's 14 years old now. I hate to deflate anyone's sense of self-importance, but making Clerith's see the error of their ways will not cure AIDS. If they still think it's canon now, after all the shit including Word of God that made Cloti canon, you are never going to change their minds.

To be clear; I have no issue with the LTD in and of itself, even if I do think it's usually incredibly tedious when it's actually on topic. I just don't like it when people feel the need to go invade someone's sanctuary because they can't stand it when other people don't realize how right they are.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Just because you don't understand doesn't make what he or I said any less valid.

im sure someday if you just keep tellin yourself that all those cleriths over there are all crazy and hate canon just like the evil christians and science, someday it'll come true

just for you :3

 

[Lym]

Have any of the Cloti people that post here ever invaded the Cleriths' place?

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

@PrincessBubblegum: That made less sense than I'm used to seeing in this thread.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

wow, color me shocked at the fact some dude with an 8-bit icon can't follow a simple convo

 

[Dana Scully]

Have any of the Cloti people that post here ever invaded the Cleriths' place?

No idea. I'm not trying to point fingers at any Clotis in particular, btw. I'd think it would be just as stupid if hardcore Cleriths invaded a dedicated Cloti forum.

 

[Elisa Maza]

Being butthurt over a fictional pairing is one thing and it's worthy of making fun of, especially when there's whining.

Complaining about having trolls over at your place is totally another and it's a valid thing.

At least, that's what I believe. Sue me.

Have any of the Cloti people that post here ever invaded the Cleriths' place?

That's something I would like to know, too.

@ Princess Bubblegum: You don't come to Q's forum, do you?

"The Ult says that their feelings match."
"It doesn't say what feelings. Why do these have to be romantic?"


Etc...

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

no, i don't because i can't force myself to argue with the same two people over and over and over

i mean sure, when i have all the free time it the world its okay, but not when i have shit i gotta do

 

[Elisa Maza]

Well, I'm new in this debate thing. Probably, I'll leave the thing alone in some time, too, just like you.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I was following the conversation. Making a second comparison between church/science issues and the LTD after someone had just thoughtfully responded to the first explaining the serious differences in your analogy is what doesn't make sense.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I was following the conversation. Making a second comparison between church/science issues and the LTD after someone had just thoughtfully responded to the first explaining the serious differences in your analogy is what doesn't make sense.

he made the comparison himself

i like to think people at least read ryu's posts instead of skimming when i mock him i mean come on