Opera Omnia Dissidia News/Discussion Thread

[Obsidian Fire]

The game gives a lot of resources, specially to newer players like me, but it's a bit overwhelming with so manu banners because if you don't get the EX + LD, the character is useless.

You can do fine without a lot of LDs. The far bigger issue is being smart about who's EX+s to limit break to max rank. Those do even more damage than the LD weapons. To know which EX+s to limit break requires knowing how to put a balanced team together. Once you have a working team, you can start old content and start building up your pool of max limit break EX+ weapons.

I usually try to get LDs not based on what LD is being promoted or what boss is currently active, but based on what EX+s I already have. That helps with team cohesion in the long run a lot better.

 

[Sprites]

I disagree with that actually and I think you need to be careful about selling you don't need Lds to newer players who currently have a load of old content to go through and resources to gain because there's going to a time where they're inundated with books and ingots to realize weapons and armor, but when they start hitting newer content?

Theres far more to this game than just a bunch of damage dealers you need good support units, debuffers and tank units which absolutely need their Lds to get through content not even lufenia content I'm talking about chaos content and not even BTs, BTs are luxuries, Lds are a must with content these days and most bosses, these days their gimmick is focused around the released Ld, not the ex.

Exs are good for their passives etc but I would never ever say don't pull for a character just for their Ex when their LD is there as well! Better than LDs? Certainly not and not when you're looking at the bigger picture and past older events when you look at what buffs, supports, Auras etc they do they're not just about damage, Several examples below

Yuna for instance. Yuna actaully needs her BT to deliver out of anything else, not even her LD her BT to get the most out of her Kit because of the sheer amout of auras it provides and if your having her on your team anyways your using her for her support capabilities.

Vaans Ld and s1 and s2 got a massive upgrade and his Ld already provides him with the buffs from his Ex, you will never use his Ex over anything else in his Kit right now his Ex is the weakest part of his kit.

Tidus, LD and BT are a must for him to be a top damage dealer gfthe way he does there's a reason his BT and LD are extremely hyped, his Ld gives him so many free turns and access to his +forms of S1 and S2 much quicker and provide his follow up again her Ex is the weakest part of her kit.

Porom while her Ex is excellent, she needs her LD to get you through a lot more newer content her Ex is not enough because of what her LD does against brave reduction fights and what her follow up does, those damage dealers you're so fond off what sort of damage they gonna do witn brave reductions in the midst and not able to gain enough to do the damage.

Setzer's LD absolute trumps anything else in his Kit and is the mosy ridiculously broken thing released, he's LD fodder, even then you'd use his S1 before you'd use his Ex because it freezes brave gain.

Tifa doesn't use her Ex at all unless you need to Launch, if you don't have her LD she wont get you far in current content.

Wakka, is completely out of date, EX included, his saving grace is his Ld because of the status and debuff effects they bring.

Yang's Ld allows him to do a follow up attack every time someone makes a move far more powerful in the long run versus his EX.

Terra's LD provides her with an insane self buff and also gives her several free and instant turns her ex gives her access to dualcast for one turn which you'll only use now as a last resort. She doesn't even need her BTto be good, her Ld is needed to bring her up to speed.

Balthier LD provides HP damage up and PERMANENTLY increases his overhead buff which benefits the party insanely as well as dispelling debuffs, his LD took him from a benched party member to an amazing support.

Seifer's role actually changed with his LD, he went from a damage dealer who provided def down debuffs to now a delayer and debuffer with his Ld introduction and rework.

WOL's ex provides you with some healing capabilites and damage, his Ld locks enemies to him provides massive shields and brave increases.

You need to think outside of just pure damage, its all fair and good for older content but you think you're just gonna get by on new content with Ex weapons only?

I could go on.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

You need to think outside of just pure damage, its all fair and good for older content but you think you're just gonna get by on new content with Ex weapons only?

Of course not... but if you're new, the *bulk* of content available to you doesn't need an LD to clear.

What it needs is a *stat* beatstick. And if you just sit on ingots until you pull someone's LD, you're gimping yourself of taking advantage of all the resources out on the board. You don't need LDs until you try for Lunafia.... and even then, there's characters that *will* work without their LD's so long as you know how to use their kits right.

What is much more important than getting LDs is *learning* how your favorite character's kits synergize. I used Sephiroth and Garnet for Chaos content before they them had LDs (heck, Garnet *still* doesn't have one yet and she's still one of the best enchant supports in the game) because I knew how their kits all works and could dance around most mechanics with them. Getting their LDs/BTs was more of the cherry on top than *vital* to my playstyle.

There's plenty of LDs and BTs I have gotten by *accident* that I never use because I simply don't get how their character's kits work (or am really bad at using them optimally. So they just sit in my inventory gathering dust while characters that don't have LDs but do have EX+s do the boring mundane content (granted that list is growing shorter as more of my favorite characters get LDs and I can branch out more).

The important thing to learn with OO isn't to go after the new LDs/BTs whenever they come up. That is just a waste of resources. What is much better is to learn how to make viable parties and save up gems/tickets until one of your key character's weapons rolls around and then spend everything you saved up getting their gear. You'll get a lot farther by learning the ins and outs of a smaller group of character mechanic interactions than jumping on the hype train of every new weapon effect.

Like... here's my list of BT/LD weapons... the ones with * are ones I never planned on pulling and were gotten with free pulls... which means I rarely use them because I never used those characters before I got their BT weapons (except Ardyn and Garland)...

Vaan, Squall* ,Shantoto*, Ardyn*, Kefka*, Kuja, Lightning*, Sephiroth, Cloud*, The Emperor*, Y'shtola*, Garland*, Golbez*, Eald'arche, Layle, Cloud of Darkness, Tidus*

That's... eight out of seventeen BT/LD holders I have that I actually *use* in some capacity. Those other nine BTs I have... I might as well *not* have them since they just sit in my inventory. LDs are rather similar...

LDs I have and never use...
WoL, Firion, Leon, Desch, Cecil (Paladin), Yang, Faris, Strago, Vincent, Reno, Vivi, Beatrix, Wakka, Penelo, Basch, Gabranth, Hope, Noel Noctis, Aranea, Ramza, Seven, Jack, Trey, Ciaran, Amidatelion

LD's I have and *do* use
Celes, Aerith, Kadaj, Rinoa, Fujin, Ultimacia, Arciela, Serah, Caius, Gladio, Cor, Keiss,

LDs that are niche uses
Tifa (only use her in Summon Board Farming)
Kam'lanaut (his LD call ability befor BT is gold)

Characters without LDs that I *do* use (read, have high priority to save up to get their LDs!)
Kain, Zack, Quistis, Eiko, Garnet, Auron

That's... 12 LDs I use vs 26 I don't. And realistically the number of characters I reguarly use is a lot smaller than that. I have five "main" teams...

Story Mode Clears
Cloud of Darkness, Sephiroth, Rinoa (okay, so I might have liked having all green crystals characterss here...); sometimes I swap Garnet or Ultimacia in

Gods of Launches
Layle, Keiss, 3rd character as fight needs (often is Garland, Cor, Glaido or Celes); Layle and Keiss's launch prowess (and frequent delays) breaks a lot of boss fights... why yes, Cid Raine is very much joining this team once he's out on Global...

Goddess of Enchant/Imperil
Garnet, Sephiroth, Ardyn; Sephiroth and Ardyn *really* want some more BRV Gain and Enchant/Imperil and someone who can moonlight as a healer... Garnet is still crazy good at all those roles even at Level 70 and with no LD...

Crystal Auto+ Farming
Kain; no really, that's just it... Kain with only his S1 on is one of the fastest Crystal Farmers in the entire game.... sometimes I put extra characters with him when I need to complete panel missions... (I *always* need more T3 Crystals....)

Summon Board Auto+ Farming
Tifa, Character 1, Character 2; Tifa is not my favorite character to actually *do* content with, I don't like the way her kit plays (I don't like *most* kits that involve doing tricky turn manipulation in general...), but I can't deny that with her LD, she's one of the fastest ways to farm Summon Board points...

So yeah... I probably do 90% of content with less than ten different characters... Even though I could be using like... 60 maxed out characters instead. But learning *all* those character kits is... a lot of work. So I instead find characters who have kits I like and then just stick with them and save up to get all their gear. If I can't pass content while it's out... It's not really a big deal, I can always do it later once it comes around again....

 

[Ite]

I dunno, before I took my break, EX weapons were still king of the hill, rare and powerful weapons. Now you can buy them with tokens, the chances of pulling one in a loot banner are really high, and they don’t give you nearly the edge in battle that they used to.

I spent all my early gems on increasing my inventory capacity and I regret nothing. My recommendation: Play through the story to get the story characters, play the Lost Chapters to get characters you like, and if an LD comes your way, keep it and see how you like playing with that character. Soon enough LDs will be as common as EXs are now.


Now that I have Terra’s LD, I enjoy playing her less her Chant animations are really long to begin with, so I feel terrible when I bust out Chaos Wave in Co-Op. It feels rude. But as Sprites said, LD is how you stay competitive, it just sucks that I have to be a turn hog if I want to pull my weight as a DPS.

 

[ultima espio]

Back in the beginning Terra spent whole turns chanting. You couldn’t just use Meltdown, you had to wait a turn first.

 

[Ite]

I am noticing that my support characters (my friends’ toons) break the 99999 damage limit, with Tifa doing 120k damage or more for each hit of Meteor Crusher.

How is this possible? Is it only certain characters? I have obsessively optimized my Terra, but remain capped at 99999 per hit.

 

[ph14basicbitch]

Certain characters high armor keystones effect increases their damage cap.

 

[Sprites]

Yup, beating Lufenia stages gives you tokens to exchange for high armor and you can realize them for a lot of characters now to do max damage and make the armor blue. You get books and nuggets for these in later Lufenias. So far i've maxed out two characters Vaan and Tifa, my next is Zidane to max out but i've also a lot of HA units where I've got the HA but it's not been necessary to max them out.

Some characters as well like P.Cecil or Setzer their high armor also allows other units to break the damage limit as well when they're in the party.

 

[Ite]

Yup, beating Lufenia stages gives you tokens to exchange for high armor and you can realize them for a lot of characters now to do max damage and make the armor blue. You get books and nuggets for these in later Lufenias. So far i've maxed out two characters Vaan and Tifa, my next is Zidane to max out but i've also a lot of HA units where I've got the HA but it's not been necessary to max them out.

Some characters as well like P.Cecil or Setzer their high armor also allows other units to break the damage limit as well when they're in the party.

Ohhh!

Lufenia content was way out of reach for me after my break, so I don’t have any “high armour” yet — that explains it! Thanks.

Ohhhh yes, my Zidane is top shelf right now and ready for October. All personal and summon boards maxed, weapons and (non-high) armour MLB’d, good arts, spheres, blooms, and 200k gems to blow on his pull (it’s as sexy as it sounds). AND — now that I have Terra’s (powerful but annoying) LD I have a fighting chance with Lufenia, so the next time that content shows up I will spam it until I get both Terra and Zidane kitted out.

 

[Sprites]

Terra you should be able to complete a few of the Earlier Lufenias with her on ahead now.

Zidane is just in a couple of days and he's the first BT+ unit to be released and I am so excited for him I also have him fully maxed as much as I can already, for his arts, spheres etc too. His High Armor is already bought and ready to be realized and go blue once available with his BT and Ld release and I have 50 BT tokens set aside to get his Burst if it doesn't fall when I get the LD which I am ready to pity if I need.

All in all i'm ready for my all time favourite FF protagonist to make his appearance.

 

[Humming]

The first Lufenia in Story Mode is pretty easy too, Act 2 last chapter, I think it was. If you got Tidus and Cor it will be easy (I think Cor and Terra work too).

 

[ultima espio]

It's that day again:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DissidiaFFOO/comments/pwpq2k

 

[Sprites]

Hmm JP got free materials to realize a BT and max it immediately when BT+ came around and we by the looks of it aren't getting that meaning Zidane is not gonna get + straight away which sucks.

 

[Ite]

Hmm JP got free materials to realize a BT and max it immediately when BT+ came around and we by the looks of it aren't getting that meaning Zidane is not gonna get + straight away which sucks.

Are these going to be new types of materials, or just a lot of existing materials? (I’ve been hoarding ? )

 

[Sprites]

New, they're to realize burst weapons on release Zidane and Y'shtola will be the first able to be given the + treatment, also turns out we are getting a book and ingot with the stream rewards so yay. From now on Lufenia will give you pages to refine into books to realize and Lufenia + will give you the nuggets needed to refine into ingots As far as I know.

BT+ fully realized gives you access to their burst twice once as the full round and once in the way it works when you use a friend's BT character and the effects

They also provide extra hits, increase in damage etc as with everything not necessary as such but the early Lufenia+ content is apparently stupidly hard.

 

[Ite]

My top shelf party of Terra/Zidane/Cloud (and a Cloud of Darkness support) easily conquered the first Lufenia (end of Act 2) and the mission reward for completing it was 20 high armour tokens — enough to get Zidane a vest Thanks everyone!

Then the two Medusas in Act 3-1 cost me 1000+ gems to complete lmaooo. My little game of character favorites is the petard that doth hoist me, I fear. Not only did I get no rewards for the quest itself (my score was 0 bahahaha) but the mission rewards for clearing it were 3 draw tokens and 200 gems. I imagine I can get more high armour tokens for completing the quest, but that is so far away from happening, looks like it’ll be a while before Zidane’s vest gets MLB’d.

 

[Sprites]

Ahhhh Ite never use Gems to continue a fight I was internally screaming when I saw you used 1000 gems, that medusa fight is one of the more difficult fights go for some of the Lost Chapter Lufenias with easier requirements to keep the orb in check.

Amidatelion's requires HP regen to keep the Orb up loads of characters give HP regen.

Eights requires you to counter attack.

Edwards: Ice damage

Jack's Melee damage.

Bahamut: holy damage and bring a healer like Yuna to counter the HP poison debuff.

These are ones with much easier requirements and you get a bunch of tickets after completing the lufenia as well with the Lost Chapters.

Act 3 chapter 2 part one lufenia can be cheesed with Yuffie and her S2, just get her HP up to withstand the first hit throw the debuff back and heal everyone up.

 

[ph14basicbitch]

Instead of spending gems, you should look up team comps and/or guides on how to do the Lufenia's and what the gimmicks for the orbs.
Character who can increase HP damage (e.g. Kurasame, Ignis) are pretty useful too.

Edit: Oh, and I've found these sites useful
https://tonberrytroupe.com/
https://dissidiainfo.com/call-to-arms/c2a-list/

I blued Reno's armor because >Reno and I don't really play anymore. I guess I should blue Rude's armor too lol.

 

[Sprites]

Tonberry Troupe is an amazing site for guidance as is the call to arms info from dissidia info i've gone in blind a few times to the Lufenias and its been ok but I could have made life easier for myself if I used the call to arms.

@Mr. Ite if you dont have Tifa's LD its due this month on a re-run and I highly recommend if you need a nutty physical damage dealer to give her a go..

 

[Ite]

@Sprites thanks for the heads up! My Tifa friends are invaluable, (Meteor Crusher nearly one-hit-kills Divine summons lmao) so once I kit out Zidane I'm definitely gonna make sure to get her LD

I've been attempting the Lost Chapter Lufenias. It has not been going well lmao. HOWEVER! I was able to complete Beatrix's! I don't know if I could have done it without combining my ExDeath friend's burst effect with Terra's Chaos Wave. But I did it!! Which means I got myself Terra's Dress, and now she's breaking the 99999 cap!!

And I just noticed that the High Armors don't need to limit break, so I've already maxed Zidane's Vest. My next Lufenia tokens will be focused on mats for realization. The vest can't be realized yet, but I assume that will change tomorrow?

 

[Sprites]

Correct. I managed to get in to the server for a bit I got lucky with Zidane's LD and got it on my first 5K multi as the free pull was a bust and my intention was always to use tokens on his burst so that's him done just need to wait for the server to calm down so I can realize his BT.

Also Ite what's your roster like for characters how many do you have fully kits for etc?

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Tonberrytroupe and Dissidiainfo are amazing resources for knowing how to build characters. And figuring out what holes you have in your roster and how to effectively fill them.

*looks at Cid Raines and then looks at fully kitted out Layle and Keiss*

Will your banner just drop already so I can build you and have a nutty juggling team!?!?

 

[ultima espio]

Auto farming guide for Pandemonium
https://www.reddit.com/r/DissidiaFFOO/comments/pydd9f

 

[Sprites]

I gotta be honest. I found it a lot easier to not autofarm and launches are not a waste of time you can knock of 3-400K hp with a launch if you if you do it after using Yshtola S2 or Beatrix S1 Depending on who you take alongside Rinoa and Zidane. Yshtola also does a lot more damage if you use her LD and follow up with Affluent mystery as well

S2 for Zidane also does more damage if you get him on a turn where you haven't replenished brave before using his S1, so I found this guide kinda redundant.

 

[Ite]

Correct. I managed to get in to the server for a bit I got lucky with Zidane's LD and got it on my first 5K multi as the free pull was a bust and my intention was always to use tokens on his burst so that's him done just need to wait for the server to calm down so I can realize his BT.

Also Ite what's your roster like for characters how many do you have fully kits for etc?

Right now I just have Terra and Zidane fully maxed out, and I mean absolutely maxed. I just did 2.2 million damage with Zidane’s Burst lmfao.

Cloud comes in a close second place but he’s missing his LD and BT. After that? I’ve arranged my roster according to a certain preference, and I don’t typically use anyone except my top 3. For instance, I just got Beatrix’s LD and BT while pulling Zidane, so her weapons and armour are now all MLB’d, but I don’t have her Crystal Strength at max because I like where she’s placed when I look at my roster. There’s no other way to customize a placement of toons, so I just arrange by CS and starve everyone except who I think is the best. I was perfectly happy with this, but the newer content (Lufenia, Challenge Events, Boss Rushes, etc) encourages maxing out your whole roster.