Perseverance (Jessie/Clessie Club)

[Jairus]

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Found something else that points to Jessie's survival. In Chapter 13, we see and help rescue a woman buried in rubble and debris from the plate. She's still alive after she's pulled out. Now, think about this in terms of Jessie and the sight of her glove in the ending. What we saw in Chapter 13 proves that not only were there were survivors amidst the rubble, but that they were found buried under fragments and pieces much bigger than what Jessie was buried under in the tower. So, if they could survive the collapse and the explosions that went with it, so could Jessie. She might've been found in much the same way as the woman in Chapter 13, and like her, could have still been alive (even if only just barely) when she was.

And they are, Pand! They're falling in love with her everywhere. Full steam ahead!

 

[LNK]

Spoiler

Found something else that points to Jessie's survival. In Chapter 13, we see and help rescue a woman buried in rubble and debris from the plate. She's still alive after she's pulled out. Now, think about this in terms of Jessie and the sight of her glove in the ending. What we saw in Chapter 13 proves that not only were there were survivors amidst the rubble, but that they were found buried under fragments and pieces much bigger than what Jessie was buried under in the tower. So, if they could survive the collapse and the explosions that went with it, so could Jessie. She might've been found in much the same way as the woman in Chapter 13, and like her, could have still been alive (even if only just barely) when she was.

And they are, Pand! They're falling in love with her everywhere. Full steam ahead!

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I think that's more evidence to support your theory that she's alive. Just not enough to convince me. I've seen enough evidence to show me she's still dead.

I'm glad people are open to it her. While I found her annoying it times, I think she was a good character to counter who Tifa and Aerith

 

[Jairus]

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There just wouldn't be a reason to show her glove and get people thinking about her if she wasn't alive. SE knows that's exactly the reaction seeing her glove there would provoke. And as the most popular of the trio, teasing her survival rather than showing it outright only serves to make people even more interested and invested in her.

 

[LNK]

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There just wouldn't be a reason to show her glove and get people thinking about her if she wasn't alive. SE knows that's exactly the reaction seeing her glove there would provoke. And as the most popular of the trio, teasing her survival rather than showing it outright only serves to make people even more interested and invested in her.

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There is another reason why they showed the glove though. It could also be a memento. I know you don't think that's the case, but it could be. I don't think that she is alive, but she could be. There is plenty of evidence to back up both sides of the coin

 

[Odysseus]

Can we not

 

[LNK]

Can we not

I know he is very passionate about her, so I don't mind the discussion. He does make good points even if I disagree (for now).

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I am looking forward to seeing how SE will deal with her death/non death. I think if she's not dead, they will just have much more explaining to do.

 

[Odysseus]

I know, it's just the same argument again. It's an argument I came up with, even. I'm just tired of it, sorry.

 

[LNK]

I know, it's just the same argument again. It's an argument I came up with, even. I'm just tired of it, sorry.

No need to apologize! I don't blame you. Some of the debates/discussions can get redundant on here (I'm guilty of it at times)

 

[Odysseus]

Yeah, maybe i should stop trying to gate keep conversations. I'm just worried the wrong people are gonna get upset about it.

 

[LNK]

Yeah, maybe i should stop trying to gate keep conversations. I'm just worried the wrong people are gonna get upset about it.

I think you've done fine. I get if people are frustrated about this topic, especially in other threads. This one was created to have specific discussions around her though. I don't think people should be getting upset, as long as we keep this respectful. We've both said it before, we don't know what her future holds for part two, but I don't mind the discussion until then

 

[Jairus]

Sorry if I upset you, Ody. I had just wanted to share an observation I'd had about it. Wasn't trying to argue. It's just, you more than anyone else here knows why what happened to her affected me the way it did, why it was so personal. And I never expected that SE would give her a chance like what they have.

Spoiler

I never expected them to give her a chance of survival, and the possibility of her being alive gives me something that I know I can never have from my own loss. I should separate the two, I know, but it's not easy, and I'm not sure how to do it. There's a reason I don't watch that scene very much. I haven't even captured the video of it yet for screenshots.

 

[Odysseus]

I'm not upset with you, I know where you're coming from. I'm afraid you're going to hurt yourself if you keep being so combative about it, or that one of the mods will get fed up and ban you. I'd rather neither of those things happen.

 

[Jairus]

I'm not trying to be that way, I was just trying to present my ideas to people, is all. I'll be careful, though. It's just that the possibility excites me and I've been looking for clues and connections to confirm it.

 

[Odysseus]

Yeah, you just get too insistent about it I think. Most people aren't going to be convinced by you I don't think, and I know the mods are fed up with it. Maybe leave that stuff for this thread only, if nothing else.

 

[Jairus]

I guess because when people argue against it, I feel like they're not listening to what I pointed out or taking in what I said and the observations I made. I shouldn't let it get to me, though.

 

[Odysseus]

Some hills aren't worth dying on, my dude. This is why I've taken the "to each their own" approach.

 

[Jairus]

Yeah, I know. I just wanted someone outside our little group to listen for once, is all.

 

[Odysseus]

yeah well...

 

[LNK]

Yeah, I know. I just wanted someone outside our little group to listen for once, is all.

There have been a couple of us that have listened though. We've even said your evidence makes sense. You just have to understand, that just because your evidence isn't enough proof for us, it doesn't mean you are wrong. We still feel strongly about our opinion, just as much as you do about yours. We just have to wait and see what is going to happen.

 

[Jairus]

Thanks, and I guess that's true. I just hope the wait isn't as long as it could be. FFXIII-2 came out two years after FFXIII, so we might get FF7R Part 2 in two years if that timeline holds true. Which means we may start to hear about it as early as very late this year, hopefully.

 

[LNK]

Thanks, and I guess that's true. I just hope the wait isn't as long as it could be. FFXIII-2 came out two years after FFXIII, so we might get FF7R Part 2 in two years if that timeline holds true. Which means we may start to hear about it as early as very late this year, hopefully.

I hope it's not a long wait as well. My guess was 2-3 year wait (3 years if Covid has a big impact). I think the Ultimania may give us some sort of vague info, but who knows. Maybe stuff at the end of the year, like you said, is a good possibility.

 

[Odysseus]

FF7R's 5 year development was only so long due to a lot of behind the scenes turmoil. Now that the teams in place and much of the ground work has already been laid, I think it won't take near as long.

 

[Jairus]

Just did a little research on YouTube on the different ship videos for FF7R, trying to count up how many views each one has altogether for as many videos as I could find for each of them. I was a little surprised at the results!

Cloti 1.79M
Clerith 1.07M
Clessie 2.46M

I really thought Cloti would be a lot closer or even higher than Clessie, but that's not how it turned out. I didn't just count outright flirting videos either, but also videos doing comparisons of different outcomes from choices Cloud makes with them as well, along with videos of Aerith and Tifa's Chapter 14 scenes. I knew Clessie was getting popular, but I had no idea it was up to this level. Wow!

 

[LNK]

Just did a little research on YouTube on the different ship videos for FF7R, trying to count up how many views each one has altogether for as many videos as I could find for each of them. I was a little surprised at the results!

Cloti 1.79M
Clerith 1.07M
Clessie 2.46M

I really thought Cloti would be a lot closer or even higher than Clessie, but that's not how it turned out. I didn't just count outright flirting videos either, but also videos doing comparisons of different outcomes from choices Cloud makes with them as well, along with videos of Aerith and Tifa's Chapter 14 scenes. I knew Clessie was getting popular, but I had no idea it was up to this level. Wow!

Tifa is still my favorite, but that's really cool to see how much people can support a character like Jessie.

No matter how much some people discard her on this forum, those numbers should make you feel good. There really are a tone of people who feel the same as you

 

[Jairus]

Another batch of screenshots.

Spoiler: Chapter 3 - Set 8

Chapter 3 - An Apology