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Not that I disagree but Reddit is teletubbies-land compared to gamefaqs.I find this whole forum to be refreshing after Reddit.
Not that I disagree but Reddit is teletubbies-land compared to gamefaqs.I find this whole forum to be refreshing after Reddit.
Your momI think it's because we do actually respect each other.
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I seriously am not seeing what reference to Zack is in that Sephiroth illusion from the trailer.
For one, Sephiroth is not quoting Zack at all. Not even close.
Sephiroth says, "I have a favor to ask of you. Run away. You have to leave. You have to live... Hold onto that hatred.."
None of that quote resembles Zack's last words to Cloud in Crisis Core at all.
Everytime I hear something about gamefaqs I see that scene from Lion King with the "everything the light touches".Not that I disagree but Reddit is teletubbies-land compared to gamefaqs.
If you just look at what they're doing with Cloud's flashbacks, for example, they're already showing Sephiroth to be a much more ominous and constant presence, and are all but overtly confirming his illusory / phantasmal status from the very start of the game -- even the story synopsis on the official site describes his existence in terms of "thoughts roaming the planet." But I think they're going to use that to screw with Cloud's (and the player's) perceptions. If Cloud is spending the early part of the game swinging his sword at a mirage, imagine how much more impact there will be when Cloud's blade actually makes contact with Sephiroth's? And when they later reveal that it was never actually Sephiroth, it becomes even more of a mindfuck.
There is definitely strong support for this in the OG. In the flashback, Tifa finds Cloud with the buster sword at the train station, and he is still acting all messed up, talking in gibberish etc. Then he looks up at Tifa, and there are a number of flashes, until he gets up and says hi to her as he performs his "cool" pose.Yeah wasn't it theorised that when Tifa found him is when he pieced his personality to become the hero he wanted to become for her? Hence the lies about being a SOLDIER etc.?
I always felt that was Cloud's idea of what being cool was: mean and sounding like he doesn't care about anything. There's a reason his catch-phrase was "Not interested". He kinda becomes more upbeat later in the game, as he cares more for people who travel with him.
i would contend that there was nothing in the original game that suggested zack was the standard shounen hero that he is in cc. i'd actually say that he did come off as vaguely assholish, but it's not surprising his characterisation didn't go that way being that it's not as engaging to play a assholish character for 40 hours.My only real concern right now is the early game portrayal of Cloud. I would prefer him to be a little more over-the-top or enthusiastic in his line delivery, as this is supposed to be Cloud mimicking Zack's more outgoing attitude.
i would contend that there was nothing in the original game that suggested zack was the standard shounen hero that he is in cc.
sure, but there's also the fact that he's part of the highest ranking group of special ops super soldiers in a private military that drinks war crimes juice for breakfast, has vaguely unscrupulous plans to immediately become an independent contractor post escape
i never said anything remotely of the sort, so you're arguing against a position i haven't taken.Really not seeing what you're talking about in this weird "asshole monster Zack."
he's the front line of an illegal invasion force that slaughters the citizens of a sovereign nation on their own soil. even if you want to take into account the cc arc (i am not), he's still morally compromised -- whether he deepthroated the boot or otherwise -- and again, doesn't paint a picture of the most conscientious individual.I mean, him like everyone else bought into the propaganda and belief that Shinra was good for the people and in the right, trying to bring the world into modernity. He realized the cruelty of the company far too late and unfortunately becomes a victim of it, too.
.....................yes.Everyone part of Shinra was morally compromised.
unless I'm misremembering, the original game doesn't really give us much insight into zack's emotional state or even even his perspective of the ethics wrt what he'd been participating in during all that time. he may have opposed the sacking of nibelheim, but that's a given being that at no point were its residents considered enemies of the state. it's hard to extrapolate anything from his dislike of shinra (pair this with the immediate desire to become a private contractor/hired muscle/soldier of fortune/whatever) given that they threw him in a dungeon and wronged him, personally, for nearly five years. so I'm not sure this is either here or there in any direction.By the time Zack finally realized the truth and questioned what he believed, he was dealing with Sephiroth kicking the shit out of him and being thrown in a specimen pod for several years.
again. I'm not seeing how any of that (particulary "he is nice to cloud") remotely contradicts anything that i've said.