SPOILERS Predictions for Part 2? (*Open Spoilers for Part 1*)

Odysseus

Odysseus

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Its one of those unwinnable bosses, it just nukes the whole party with beta before you can finish it off. Then Sephiroth waltzes in with his sunglasses and a big gulp in one hand and just kinda pushed the thing over onto the tree and it dies instantly. Then Sephiroth looks at Cloud and he's all like
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and flies away.

THE UNKNOWN JOURNEY CONTINUES
 
Shademp

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Crack prediction for part 3 or part 4:
Hojo is just about to upload his consciousness to the worldwide network. However in this timeline, Chadley has the eyes and agency to spot what Hojo is doing. He promptly deletes the copy of Hojo's mind, thus preventing the Omega plan of Dirge of Cerberus from taking place.

If Chadley did this, his unfitting presence throughout Remake would almost be worth it. Almost.
 
Wol

Wol

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Shademp said:
Crack prediction for part 3 or part 4:
Hojo is just about to upload his consciousness to the worldwide network. However in this timeline, Chadley has the eyes and agency to spot what Hojo is doing. He promptly deletes the copy of Hojo's mind, thus preventing the Omega plan of Dirge of Cerberus from taking place.

If Chadley did this, his unfitting presence throughout Remake would almost be worth it. Almost.
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But what about his clone brothers, Chad and Bradley? They certainly won't be happy about that.
 
looneymoon

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I remember when Advent Children came out, someone made parody subtitles for "Advent Virgin"

I wonder if that's still kicking around somewhere...
 
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Clement Rage

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After this whole game about 'breaking the chains of fate, they basically have to throw us some unexpected twists.'

I expect Wutai to play a bigger role. Maybe even the core of an instalment like Midgar was, where you spend a long time there dealing with Shinra, AVALANCHE, and Wutai machinations.

After this whole game on other people's strings, I want to see AVALANCHE really shine. I want to see Shinra (yes, including Rufus and the Turks) trying, and trying hard to annihilate the crew and failing, tearing out their hair in frustration because these people are unstoppable no matter what they do. I want to see the crew being feared, they've broken free of their manipulations and aren't going back to anyone else's strings any more.

"Sir, AVALANCHE are in the building and they're not playing around, we need to get you out of here NOW!"

Am I going to get this? Probably not.
 
Makoeyes987

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Clement Rage said:
After this whole game about 'breaking the chains of fate, they basically have to throw us some unexpected twists.'

I expect Wutai to play a bigger role. Maybe even the core of an instalment like Midgar was, where you spend a long time there dealing with Shinra, AVALANCHE, and Wutai machinations.

After this whole game on other people's strings, I want to see AVALANCHE really shine. I want to see Shinra (yes, including Rufus and the Turks) trying, and trying hard to annihilate the crew and failing, tearing out their hair in frustration because these people are unstoppable no matter what they do. I want to see the crew being feared, they've broken free of their manipulations and aren't going back to anyone else's strings any more.

"Sir, AVALANCHE are in the building and they're not playing around, we need to get you out of here NOW!"

Am I going to get this? Probably not.
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I think you're expecting far higher levels of competency and control from the heroes in the beginning of the story than is warranted. They're still underdogs here. They shouldn't be facerolling Shinra until near the end of the game.
 
The Twilight Mexican

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LicoriceAllsorts said:
Hojo uploading himself into Chadley.
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Do not want this fanfic. Do. Not. Want.
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@Clement Rage
You've mentioned a couple times taking issue with Cloud and co. being puppeted in the remake, but wasn't that the case through most of the original game?

And they're not utterly without any achievements here anyway. They foil Heidegger and the President's plan for their deaths fighting Airbuster; beat Roche; soundly defeat Reno twice; save a lot of people in Sector 7; escape from the Shin-Ra HQ; and defeat the Whisper Harbinger (to whatever extent this is an achievement and not a complete fuckup :wacky: ).
 
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Clement Rage

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You've mentioned a couple times taking issue with Cloud and co. being puppeted in the remake, but wasn't that the case through most of the original game?

And they're not utterly without any achievements here anyway. They foil Heidegger and the President's plan for their deaths fighting Airbuster; beat Roche; soundly defeat Reno twice; save a lot of people in Sector 7; escape from the Shin-Ra HQ; and defeat the Whisper Harbinger (to whatever extent this is an achievement and not a complete fuckup :wacky: ).
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Yeah, but this whole game is built around breaking free of the strings of fate, carving out their own destiny. If they just move from fate's strings onto Sephiroth's or Rufus', then all that was just swapping out one master for another.

In the OG, the reactor bombings, as far as we knew, were a genuine achievement of AVALANCHE, not part of some Shinra plan. We had some time at the start where the crew were achieving things in spite of their opposition rather than because of them or because they were getting unforeseen
help, before Cloud ended up on Sephiroth's strings. They were a legitimate thorn in Shinra's side, such that they resorted to Sector 7 to get rid of them. That's all gone.

They survive the Roche mission because AVALANCHE HQ intervened.

They foil the Airbuster plan because it wasn't ready on time, which makes it about Heidegger's failure rather than their success.

They escape from Shinra HQ because Hojo decides to let them out... and then the Whispers intervene to keep Barret alive and then from them being crushed twice on the highway.

Whisper Harbinger is implied to be all part of Sephiroth's plan to break free of his fate.

Sector 7... sort of. Their resistance in the pillar is all part of the plan now too, rather than a problem. Reno would have killed Cloud and Tifa if Rude hadn't saved them. The evacuation happens anyway, not because of them.

It's not really about OG v Remake, it's about the themes of the game being about breaking free of their fate. If they move from that to being on someone else's strings, well...

It's also just my preference.

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Mayo Master

Mayo Master

Pro Adventurer
^ I actually shared some of your frustrations on my first playthrough, and that was one thing I didn't like about the Whispers of Fate. It seemed as though success or failure in something was independent of my own actions, so doing anything would be vain.
You could argue that being robbed of your own sense of achievement is "kind of the point" of the presentation of the Whispers of Fate, but that doesn't remove the sentiment of frustration.
 
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