Resident Evil Series

[Makoeyes987]

I always figured he was a step ahead of Ada and got the Plagas on his own.

While I see your point about Sheva, RE5 wasn't about the fall of Umbrella, it was about the final showdown between Wesker and Chris. The fall of Umbrella, The Umbrella Chronicles, had the two main characters with a connection to Umbrella for the final showdown. Chris and Jill. So I don't think Sheva's appearance and role in this, is unfair to anyone really. I mean yes, I could see how Jill would've been a better choice, but they can't just keep reusing characters either. I'm glad they were ballsy enough to make a new character and I'm sure we'll see more Sheva and development for her in a future installment.

Meh, I find Excella hot. She's a new villain and while she's not as developed as others, she does work well as the seductive, evil head of TriCell.

As for Wesker, I totally disagree. He struck me as the type with a god complex from the get go, with all he talked about and shit. But yeah. It's not a Resident Evil without a new virus or biohazard threat

 

[Max Payne]

I always figured he was a step ahead of Ada and got the Plagas on his own.

Makes no sense. If he could just get it own his own before Ada he would have never sent her there.

While I see your point about Sheva, RE5 wasn't about the fall of Umbrella, it was about the final showdown between Wesker and Chris. The fall of Umbrella, The Umbrella Chronicles, had the two main characters with a connection to Umbrella for the final showdown. Chris and Jill.

Yes it fucking was, it was about closing the chapter on Umbrella and all it's workings. The creators of the game said it themselves. This is the end of this chapter in Resident Evil. Umbrella's presence is felt throughout the entire game, what with all of their files, facilities, Spencer and Wesker, this was all about ending it all. So don't give me that bs.

So I don't think Sheva's appearance and role in this, is unfair to anyone really.

Naw, it's not unfair to any of the character who've gotten jipped in the last few games. I don't care what you say, it's stupid that some nobody plays a huge part in the fall of the series' biggest villain next to Spencer.

I'm glad they were ballsy enough to make a new character and I'm sure we'll see more Sheva and development for her in a future installment.

There's nothing ballsy about shoehorning some random black chick into the game to try and calm down all the racist talk, in fact that's pretty lame. I doubt you'll see much of her again either. She probably disappear like Billy, Rebecca, and Barry did. They can have the old characters reappear as much as they want, plenty of games do and they work just fine. I don't see why RE should be the exception since it's characters have plenty of room to grow.

Meh, I find Excella hot. She's a new villain and while she's not as developed as others, she does work well as the seductive, evil head of TriCell.

No she doesn't, she does next to nothing in this game. Hell Irving did more than she did, and he got even less screentime.

As for Wesker, I totally disagree. He struck me as the type with a god complex from the get go, with all he talked about and shit. But yeah.

I don't recall him ever once saying he wanted to be the ruler of the world or some shit.

 

[Tetsujin]

Wesker only ever said something about a new history he will write for the world or something like that (at the end of UC).

Thing is, all the time he plots something behind the scenes, steals viruses and other stuff and obtains all of Umbrella's data and one of its facilities where he operates from.

Then in RE5, he starts off from somewhere else with a seemingly different plan and none of the bullshit from before really seemed to matter. =/

Meh, I find Excella hot. She's a new villain and while she's not as developed as others, she does work well as the seductive, evil head of TriCell.

You have a bad taste in womenz =P

BTW, about Wesker getting the Plagas. couldn't Irving have smuggled them for him somehow? I dunno. =/

 

[Max Payne]

I guess so. But it was such a huge point in Ada's story, I just don't like the way it's glossed over.

It's like this for me. Re5 is just like MGS4 for me. It promises to be the big finale for a huge point in the RE series, yet neglects to include so many of the great character from past games, and glosses over so much in favor of an "epic" story, and just winds up feeling lacking. The characters that do get included, get so little development as villains that they're just sorta, there.

With RE6 setup to be a reboot of the series(probably both gameplay and characters) it's just a big disappointment.

 

[Tetsujin]

I guess so. But it was such a huge point in Ada's story, I just don't like the way it's glossed over.

Yeah, I hear ya.
There was a lot of stuff going on in Ada's reports that never got mentioned again in RE5.

WHAT IS HER FUCKING ORGANIZATION. I still wanna know. Ffs.

 

[Max Payne]

Spoiler

I also think it's really fucking stupid that Irving and Excella both wound up doing fuck all other than saying a handful of lines and dying. With them wanting to close the book on Umbrella and all it's doings, why destroy a great chance to introduce new villains for the series that could carry some new games?

I mean, what a fucking waste. Too much of the goddamn story was told through files too. Why have all this material and waste it in optional files?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Cry moar Dacon.

I don't understand why they'd call The Umbrella Chronicles the fall of Umbrella if it wasn't. By the time RE5 happens Umbrella's already broken. Yeah, their presence is felt but they're already destroyed. Thanks to Jill and Chris working together. Seems more like it was built on the final showdown with Chris and Wesker and tying up the loose ends accordingly.

And what racist talk are you talking about? Huh?

And Rebecca did have her own game and appear in UC too. I don't think you can say she's forgotten at all. I'm sure she'll appear again too.

Anyways cry moar. My opinion's different than yours I overall like whats been seen of RE5. Characters included. I hardly see this as a let down really. Except maybe in terms of style. But meh, if the action's good, the action is good.

@Tetsujin

I thought all the research and viruses he's accumulated helped culminate the research he did to create the Uroboros virus and shit? And doesn't TriCell use a bunch of other Tyrant Virus BOWs like Lickers and shit? I'm pretty sure that's thanks to Wesker and the research he ponied up to the table.

As for Ada, there's no way in hell she's never return. I'm not sure what the S Corporation is. Maybe the next game will show just what this mysterious company has been doing. Seems like another idea for a game to me.

 

[Max Payne]

Cry moar Dacon.

What are you fucking 4?

I don't understand why they'd call The Umbrella Chronicles the fall of Umbrella if it wasn't. By the time RE5 happens Umbrella's already broken. Yeah, their presence is felt but they're already destroyed. Thanks to Jill and Chris working together. Seems more like it was built on the final showdown with Chris and Wesker and tying up the loose ends accordingly.

And the people that made the game said Re5 is about closing the chapter on Umbrella and it's doings. What you say means nothing in light of that. The game is called Umbrella Chronicles because it chronicles the events involving Umbrella. Not that it's the end of everything Umbrella.

And what racist talk are you talking about? Huh?

Have you been in a cave? Ever since the first trailer of Chris being accousted by hordes of rabid Africans there's been nothing but controversy about Africans being portrayed by Capcom as savage beasts. The talk hasn't stopped to this day. Not long after Sheva appeared. The guys actually said "No we always planned to have Sheva appear, we did not add her because of the racism complaints" which basically tells everyone they did, because beforehand there was no mention of her existence, but we got a glimpse of Jill in the tube.

And Rebecca did have her own game and appear in UC too. I don't think you can say she's forgotten at all. I'm sure she'll appear again too.

Rebecca has done fuckall since Zero, and her appearance in UC amounts next to nothing.

Anyways cry moar.

Eat a dick you faggot.

My opinion's different than yours I overall like whats been seen of RE5. Characters included. I hardly see this as a let down really. Except maybe in terms of style. But meh, if the action's good, the action is good.

Your opinion means dick till you actually play the game you shallow fgt.

As for Ada, there's no way in hell she's never return. I'm not sure what the S Corporation is. Maybe the next game will show just what this mysterious company has been doing. Seems like another idea for a game to me.

She might appear in Darkside chronicles, but RE6 is supposed to be a series reboot. I wouldn't expect anything.

 

[Tetsujin]

And doesn't TriCell use a bunch of other Tyrant Virus BOWs like Lickers and shit? I'm pretty sure that's thanks to Wesker and the research he ponied up to the table.

Bleh, that's just Umbrella leftovers from their old lab.

 

[Max Payne]

Wesker used nothing other than Las Plagas, T-Virus Antibodies, and the Progenitor Virus btw. Those other viruses had nothing to do with it.

Tricell doesn't have Tyrant anything either. They don't have lickers either, that's remnants from an abandoned Umbrella lab.

EDIT: beaten.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Four and a half, fucker.

Well then we have two closures for Umbrella now? That's kinda stupid. Umbrella Chronicles feels more like the end of Umbrella since...thats the game that shows its destruction and them flying to Russia to end Umbrella and beat Sergei Vladimir. I mean, in RE5 Umbrealla is gone. So how can it be about its end?

Oh yeah...I remember that. They're still bitching about that? Meh, I don't think they tacked Sheeva on. Fuck, its taking place in Africa so no shit there will be African characters and enemies. It'd be pretty stupid and illogical for none of the new characters to be black and from Africa. It's just about making the characters fit the setting, not about filling some racial quota. That's pretty pessimistic to think, even for you. Sheeva wasn't shown immediately because she's new and it was during the beginning.

You don't know she won't come back. And dude, while her scenarios were short they DID show new shit about what happened to her after Resident Evil 0. Hence, not forgotten.

OHHHH!! DEMS FIGHTIN' WORDS. GRRR

Seriously, I think RE5 is pretty good and I'm sure RE6 will be pretty fucking good too with all the new stuff they could do with other characters like and who knows what else. And while I haven't played it, from what I've seen of the scenario and gameplay, I'm pretty damn excited. I was right with RE4 when I felt the same way so....

 

[Max Payne]

Four and a half, fucker.

Well then we have two closures for Umbrella now? That's kinda stupid. Umbrella Chronicles feels more like the end of Umbrella since...thats the game that shows its destruction and them flying to Russia to end Umbrella and beat Sergei Vladimir. I mean, in RE5 Umbrealla is gone. So how can it be about its end?

Because Wesker, and Spencer ARE Umbrella. Fuck, Krauser was talking about the "rebirth" of Umbrella in 4, which had to have been referring to the new company Wesker was working with that turned out to be Tricell. How could you say Umbrella is dead when the biggest parts of it were still around?

Oh yeah...I remember that. They're still bitching about that? Meh, I don't think they tacked Sheeva on. Fuck, its taking place in Africa so no shit there will be African characters and enemies. It'd be pretty stupid and illogical for none of the new characters to be black and from Africa? It's just about making the characters fit the setting, not about filling some racial quota.

PFFAH. Sheva was clearly not a part of the game when gameplay footage was first shown of the game. It's clear that they didn't even intend for it to be co-op until they threw out the old UE3 version of the game and a couple features with it. Sheva wasn't there to fill a quota, she's there to make it seem less like "BIG STRONG PURE WHITEMAN STOMPS HORDES OF SAVAGE BLACK FILTH" which the game would have looked like to anyone other than the common gamer, and would have caused even more shit without Sheva.

That's pretty pessimistic to think, even for you. Sheeva wasn't shown immediately because she's new and it was during the beginning.

Pessimistic? It's fucking obvious to everyone that that's what they did. Beginning? That's stupid, you show your new stuff first to get people excited about the project. She clearly did not exist back then. You think Capcom would have been stupid enough to have a new black character, and not show her when the trailer basically shows a horde of black monsters attacking a painfully white man while he shoots at them, when they know how fucking touchy everyone is about that shit? AND IT'S SHEVA YOU FAGHAT. WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING SHEEVA?

Seriously, I think RE5 is pretty good and I'm sure RE6 will be pretty fucking good too with all the new stuff they could do with other characters like and who knows what else. And while I haven't played it, from what I've seen of the scenario and gameplay, I'm pretty damn excited. I was right with RE4 when I felt the same way so....

How the hell can you say it's good when you haven't played it? And Re5 is nowhere near as good as 4. It doesn't have any of the atmosphere, creepiness, or great level design.

Re5 is fun, but the gameplay isn't as good as it should have been, and Mercernaries is the real high point of the game.

 

[Max Payne]

Hell the last half of the game where everyone has rocket lauchers and guns seems slapped together, and is full of questionable game design ffs.

The goddamn game turns into Gears of Evil with shit controls.

I'm not going to say the game is awful, it fun and enjoyable, even moreso with a friend, but it's still a giant letdown after such a huge buildup.

 

[Tetsujin]

In short, RE5 is what DMC2 was to the Devil May Cry series.

I also hated how major plot points were explained not in cutscenes but in files that were viewable outside the campaign and put into the library instead. FFS.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well they're the men behind Umbrella but the actual company is dead. But I see your point. Good point bringing up Krauser, but they DID bill Umbrella Chronicles as the "end of Umbrella." Hell, thats what the trailer for it says. "Witness the end of Umbrella." And it has Chris and Jill doing it.

....Well interesting point about Sheeva. *Is now clearly doing it to spite you* But you could also argue that they first showcased Chris to get people who were familiar with him and shit hyped up since he's so popular too. But still. You can't say she's tacked on because she was included while the game was still in development and in the early stages. Not when it was near done or done. I mean, it'd be like calling Tifa tacked on due to her being the last designed character of FFVII.

Meh, I just don't see the Sheva hate. I think she was pretty cool and RE5 is cool. I don't know if it'll be better than 4 though. I'll have to see for myself but barring some horrible freak twist in the gameplay or storyline I severely doubt I'll hate it or be as disappointed as you. I'm sorry that you were.

And I eagerly await playing The Mercenaries in this. Fucking loved it in RE4.

 

[Celes Chere]

In short, RE5 is what DMC2 was to the Devil May Cry series

You think RE5 sucked THAT bad?! DMC2 makes me nauseous. Worst in the series.

 

[Tetsujin]

You think RE5 sucked THAT bad?! DMC2 makes me nauseous. Worst in the series.

Like DMC2, it's an okay standalone game but disappointing compared to the rest of the series.
At least the final battle was much better than RE4's. RE4 had a lame finale.

 

[Max Payne]

....Well interesting point about Sheeva. *Is now clearly doing it to spite you* But you could also argue that they first showcased Chris to get people who were familiar with him and shit hyped up since he's so popular too. But still. You can't say she's tacked on because she was included while the game was still in development and in the early stages. Not when it was near done or done. I mean, it'd be like calling Tifa tacked on due to her being the last designed character of FFVII.

Way to reach there.

 

[Tetsujin]

Oh please.

Spoiler

I WANTED JILL IN THE FINAL BATTLE!!!!!!!!!! D=<

 

[Max Payne]

Stop repeating my sentiments fgt. They were mine first.

 

[Max Payne]

I want more merc content. The available characters aren't enough. Moar costumes and characters plox.

 

[Tetsujin]

Fuck you ngr.

Btw, where was the fucking gore?
And why are there laser beams coming from crystals in an underground African ruin city? That shit went more into the realm of the fantastical/mystical a la Indy Jones/Tomb Raider. I could've done without.

Especially since I was always afraid of Sheva running straight into the beams. Which eventually she did.

 

[Max Payne]

The lack of any puzzles and exploration bothered me too.

The game is so short and straightforward, it really doesn't seem like anything more than a corridor shooter with a few open environments.

And yeah, wtf was with the complete lack of gore. Sure your enemies heads still explode and shit, but other than there's nothing really gory about anything in the game.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Wow...now that's kinda fucked up. How can there be no gore in RE? That's certainly one thing RE4 beats this in, then. Garrador head impalement ftw.

I already knew there wouldn't be puzzles and shit in this. Isn't that what that Gamepro and German review said for the game? I already was quite disappointed in that.

It seems like its just meant to be a straight up action shooter.

 

[Tetsujin]

There's only like one thing I'd consider a puzzle.

Code: Veronica didn't have a lot of gore either. Not even exploding zombie heads. I always wondered what was up with that. The gore levels aren't really all that consistent in the RE series.