Sephiroth Was Never A Hero To Begin With

[PhantomSephiroth]

Not to mention the fact that Genesis might be in the next addition to the Compliation which will just make everything even worse.

Well....that migth give Seph the chance to whip his ass.

 

[jazzflower92]

Well....that migth give Seph the chance to whip his ass.

We are all kinda of hoping that Genesis finally gets that butt kicking we have all been itching for.

To make it even more great the little tick will be killed off for real and no one would really care.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Am I the only one who want Sephiroth done for before we figure out what to do with Genesis? 'Cause Sephiroth is a way bigger problem for the Planet then Geneisis ever was...

 

[jazzflower92]

Am I the only one who want Sephiroth done for before we figure out what to do with Genesis? 'Cause Sephiroth is a way bigger problem for the Planet then Geneisis ever was...

The reason we are talking about Genesis is because there some founded speculation he will be in the next spinoff much to the groans of many fans.At the end of the game that will not be named Genesis seems to have plans for Weiss.

 

[Lord Noctis]

I think they also should have eliminated Hollander who is really an unnessary character.How about put more emphasis on Gast in the Compliation and have Hojo a stronger presence in CC.Also probably keep the implication that Hojo was behind the Nibelheim reactor being busted.

Also I think CC should have been more about Zack having growing doubts about Shinra and about their morality.Maybe there should have been more insight on the aftermath of the Wutai War as well.Probably showing how Shinra's victory over the country really messed them up.Of course they should have made more time to show his friendship with Cloud.

I agree to an extent about Gast. Considering his role in the series we really know very little about him. However, I don't think removing Hollander is needed. It makes sense that Shinra would have more than one scientist of high standing. Besides, he was a better villian than Genesis.

Now when it comes to Wutai I have some actual complaints with CC. First, much more time should have been spent on that war. Second, it should have focused on Zack's reaction to the voilence and horrors of war. In this capacity I, a person who genuinely likes Crisis Core, admit that they totally failed.

Also I agree that more time should have been spent on Cloud and Zack's friendship. More than that, I think more time should have been spent following them while they were on the run.

Hell, between all those points we could eliminate Genesis' war on Shinra altogether. Angeal and Genesis could just be relegated to regular SOLDIER operatives who deserted during the Wutai war. Angeal because his honor wouldn't allow him to destroy the Wutai peoples way of life, and Genesis because of his desire to best Sephiroth.

 

[Roger]

Also probably keep the implication that Hojo was behind the Nibelheim reactor being busted.

They kept the implication to the extent that it was ever there in the first place.

 

[jazzflower92]

Most of all if I could change Genesis it would be to make him never be redeamed and to be killed off for real because the narrative tried to portray him as sympathetic but all throughout the game he really comes off as a self entitled brat who doesn't care who he hurts in order to achieve his goal.In fact I like the idea of Genesis just defecting not because of some condition but because of his ego and rivalry against Sephiroth.He can't stand him getting all the glory so he joins some antiShinra group in order to finally show him up.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

Why would you want there to be less action and moar plot in AC/C? The action scenes are what make it cool, as the plot was pretty fucking stupid IMO.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Why would you want there to be less action and moar plot in AC/C? The action scenes are what make it cool, as the plot was pretty fucking stupid IMO.

The plot had good concepts behind it. The reason it wasn't a very good plot was because those concepts were not fleshed out.

Thats why we should do away with the SHM, focus more on Geostigma, and put the emphasis on story and not action. Oh we can still have big cool fight scenes. I'm not against that. But they should not be the focus.

The action should serve the story, not the other way around.

 

[Roger]

Am I the only one who want Sephiroth done for before we figure out what to do with Genesis? 'Cause Sephiroth is a way bigger problem for the Planet then Geneisis ever was...

Obviously Sephiroth should ultimately be vanquished as well, but I don't want Genesis to help us do it. That would give us the impression that he was in any way right about what he was doing in CC. I'd rather he was a unwitting pawn of Sephiroth all along, who fabricated Minerva entirely to manipulate Genesis, knowing better then anyone how obsessed he is with the Goddess of Loveless/subjugated her during his time travelling the Lifestream.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Sephiroth has already been vanquished. It's called FFVII Advent Children.

Why anyone would expect more and think it'd be good boggles my mind. Sephiroth is done. Period. What payout or purpose would be served in raising him up to be defeated a fourth fucking time by the same people?

He's been beaten as a team effort by AVALANCHE twice. He was beaten in a spiritual battle of wills one-on-one with Cloud. He returned for a salty runback in AC and fought Cloud one-on-one, powered up, and lost once more to Cloud.

So what's next? What possible fucking new way would there be to fight Sephiroth? In a card game? In Tekken? A hot dog eating contest?

Sephiroth coming back would seriously be the ultimate red flag of the FFVII Compilation running out of ideas and just scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel for conflict.

 

[jazzflower92]

Sephiroth has already been vanquished. It's called FFVII Advent Children.

Why anyone would expect more and think it'd be good boggles my mind. Sephiroth is done. Period. What payout or purpose would be served in raising him up to be defeated a fourth fucking time by the same people?

He's been beaten as a team effort by AVALANCHE twice. He was beaten in a spiritual battle of wills one-on-one with Cloud. He returned for a salty runback in AC and fought Cloud one-on-one, powered up, and lost once more to Cloud.

So what's next? What possible fucking new way would there be to fight Sephiroth? In a card game? In Tekken? A hot dog eating contest?

Sephiroth coming back would seriously be the ultimate red flag of the FFVII Compilation running out of ideas and just scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel for conflict.

Actually Sephiroth being in Tekken would be interesting.I think it would be fun if he was in a Tekken game as a guest character.I mean in that kind of setting he would defiantly fit right in.He would also have a lot in common with Jin and Kazuya Kazama.

 

[Unlucky]

A hot dog eating contest?

This is brilliant. Why aren't the fools at Square thinking this? This will surely make a great game and boost sales.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Sephiroth has already been vanquished. It's called FFVII Advent Children.

Why anyone would expect more and think it'd be good boggles my mind. Sephiroth is done. Period. What payout or purpose would be served in raising him up to be defeated a fourth fucking time by the same people?

He's been beaten as a team effort by AVALANCHE twice. He was beaten in a spiritual battle of wills one-on-one with Cloud. He returned for a salty runback in AC and fought Cloud one-on-one, powered up, and lost once more to Cloud.

So what's next? What possible fucking new way would there be to fight Sephiroth? In a card game? In Tekken? A hot dog eating contest?

Sephiroth coming back would seriously be the ultimate red flag of the FFVII Compilation running out of ideas and just scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel for conflict.

This, more or less.

As things stand Sephiroth has had as many defeats as he can get away with before his image as a powerful villian begins to fall apart. If he came back again we just wouldn't be able to take him seriously.

The only way to avoid compromising Sephiroth's status as THE Big Bad of FFVII would be to have him win. But of course that would be a complete betrayal of all the developement that the characters have had up until now.

Besides that, it would cheapen all the victories that Cloud and the others have had over Sephiroth until now. Hell, even Advent Children was already pushing things in that direction.

Sephiroth is done. Don't get me wrong. I like Sephiroth. I'd love to see more of him. But there just isn't a good way to do it.

 

[jazzflower92]

This is brilliant. Why aren't the fools at Square thinking this? This will surely make a great game and boost sales.

Because they have no original bone in their body anymore and have just become hacks who now sell out their work in the name of making money.

 

[Unlucky]

Sephiroth is done. Don't get me wrong. I like Sephiroth. I'd love to see more of him. But there just isn't a good way to do it.

I agree. The Compilation needs a new villain. Which is a very hard thing to do on SE's part because Sephiroth has been one of the elements that defined FFVII in the first place. But he has to go.

Because they have no original bone in their body anymore and have just become hacks who now sell out their work in the name of making money.

But that's exactly the point. It's not like this is gonna take years to design, right? Could be as simple as the Wall Market Gym Squat Contest, press the right buttons at the right time and watch Sephiroth devour ALL the hotdogs!

 

[jazzflower92]

I would just make a prequel game about the Cetra and Jenova.I mean from what has been said about Jenova it could be an interesting cosmic horror like game.Plus there should be more information about how the humans came from Spira to Gaia as well.

 

[Roger]

I agree. The Compilation needs a new villain. Which is a very hard thing to do on SE's part because Sephiroth has been one of the elements that defined FFVII in the first place. But he has to go.

I don't think the problem is so much that Sephiroth defined VII, it's the fact that the Planet is one wold which we have explored completely, moreover it was under the threat of certain destruction for two solid weeks, there's no room for some other guy that can kick Cloud's ass to just have been there all along twisting his thumbs.

Deepground was too big, but a secret army bred by Shinra was just about the only thing they could've done in DoC, but that opportunity is gone now. One of Genesis' pros was that unlike the chick from FFIV: After Years or Caius Ballad or whatevs, he actually has history with some popular characters and a place in the world not the distant past/future of it. But he's not gonna be the villian, it just wouldn't fit after where they ultimately took his character.

In After Years, they were able to use familiar ground by having the character snatch the summons from under Rydia's nose, with X-2 they took advantage of the whole Tidus was a dream but there was a real Zanarkand a 1000 years ago that we don't know much off but now VII is basically in the same position as XIII. They'll probably do to Cloud some akin to what they did to Lightning to be able to make it seem like his stake in this is on par with if Sephiroth had come back.

Or the new villian could just straight up kill Tifa or the kids, that'll probably work too. Either way, I think whatever they'd do, just bringing back Sephiroth would seem less forced.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Nah, Genesis could easily be the new villian. Supposedly he's here to protect the planet at this point, but that does not translate into being a good guy. Hell, the Weapons were supposed to be protectors of the planet, and they went after humanity like it was nobodies buisness.

 

[Roger]

Nah, Genesis could easily be the new villian. Supposedly he's here to protect the planet at this point, but that does not translate into being a good guy. Hell, the Weapons were supposed to be protectors of the planet, and they went after humanity like it was nobodies buisness.

He's just gonna start depopulating the world one random day completely of his initiative and will be just as incapable of comprehending why it's not neccesary to attack people as the Weapons? Wouldn't be Genesis at all then. Genesis was driven by revenge on Shinra, which is gone, jealousy towards Sephiroth, who is also gone and a desire to be seen as hero, which requires people to be around to have opinions.

 

[Wolfmania]

Well, if Holy had the sense to spare humanity, and that is the planet's ultimate will, one would think Genesis would follow it. I mean, he is Minerva's protector/bodyguard/bitch-boy/whatever, so maybe Minerva wouldn't be as loose with him as she was with the Weapons?

As for Sephiroth, I honestly want him to stay dead.

Not because I dislike him at all, but I think that his and Cloud's story...is kinda done? I think they had a good closure in AC/C. Cloud finally standing up to the biggest big bad on will alone and coming up victorious, earning the right to live with his family and exterminating his past sins.

I know they left a gigantic bait for return in the end, but...

If you're gonna do anything else, the only other thing would be something ridiculous like...Cloud kills himself to neutralize Sephiroth's will in the Lifestream forever.

What?

He's the only other being in the planet who can take a swim in the Lifestream it'self, the great current which runs under the crust, and stay completely fine. His will has proven to be stronger than Sephiroth's, so if he's there, Sephiroth can't do shit - unlike Aerith's will, who turns around and runs off at the sight of Seph.

Of course, therein lies the problem. Cloud's development and journey is nothing without his happy ending life with Tifa and the kids, so yeah. Stupid.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Well, if Holy had the sense to spare humanity, and that is the planet's ultimate will, one would think Genesis would follow it. I mean, he is Minerva's protector/bodyguard/bitch-boy/whatever, so maybe Minerva wouldn't be as loose with him as she was with the Weapons?

I'm not convinced that Holy was going to spare humanity, honestly. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania entry on the Weapons does say that the planet had interpreted humanity as something bad.

 

[Lord Noctis]

I'm not convinced that Holy was going to spare humanity, honestly. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania entry on the Weapons does say that the planet had interpreted humanity as something bad.

Yeah.

Its important to remember that Holy was not the only factor involved in that event. there was also the Lifestream's presence, which as near as I can tell was being directed by Aerith.

 

[Wolfmania]

I suppose that maybe Aerith could have dissuaded the planet or something. I mean, she was the summoner, after all.

 

[ForceStealer]

Not convinced? I thought it was certain that Holy was going to let Meteor wipe humans out, or at the very least, Midgar.