Shinra executing Barret/Tifa=Justified? (kinda)

CameoAmalthea

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The fact that he didn't cower in fear in the face of extreme adversary like many young heirs in fiction was enough to sell him to me by disc 2.

Very true. It would have been simple enough for the writers to make him irredeemable. A complete monster along the lines of Joffrey from Game of Thrones

They could have made him obviously cruel, cowardly, and loathsome. Instead Rufus has likeable qualities including bravery and intelligence. Even at his worst, Rufus is logical.

In the beginning of Before Crisis he was an entitled brat and irritating villain, but as his character develops through the compilation he obtains the firm grasp on logic and mental perseverance that establish him as worthy and qualified for his position and ego despite his complete lack of compassion most of the time. This, I think, is what makes him a likable but legitimate villain in the OG.

While I agree that at the beginning of Before Crisis Rufus is terrible and you as the player hate him/want to strangle him, his cruel moments seem rational. I went into this at length on tumblr (http://cameoamalthea.tumblr.com/post/55874511945/ffvii-headcanon-rufus-shinra) and I’ll say it again here as the point is relevant.

Rufus is understandable, even when he’s being horrible. For instance, when Aerith is missing and Shinra is scrambling to track her down.
Rufus: The Ancient won’t be able to put up much of a resistance if she’s got a bullet in her, will she?

That is an absolutely horrible thing to say. (I mentioned wanting to hit Rufus right? This is an example of on of those moments - And not just because I love Aerith)
But when you think about it, Rufus’s reasoning, though heartless, is right. The President rejects Rufus’s proposal and in Rufus’s response we see where he’s coming from.

Veld
Let’s think about this rationally for a moment. We need to get the location of the Promised Land from her.
President Shinra
That’s right. The Promised Land is a legendary place nobody but the Ancients would know the location of. If she is harmed before we can get the location, all of our efforts will have been for nothing.
Rufus
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President Shinra
The Promised Land… A place that spews forth boundless Mako. If we have the Promised Land, we can draw Mako out without using the reactors. We’ll be cutting costs and ensuring that the company stays at the top for ages to come. When I think about it that way, the time we’ve invested isn’t a waste.
Rufus
Hmph. The time that’s being wasted with all these unnecessary precautions cancels out any good that might come from it.

While Rufus is ruthless he does not enjoy cruelty for it’s own sake, rather’s he’s pragmatic to the extreme. He does what he thinks is necessary and efficient, even if it’s horrible.

There's nothing in the original game that concretely indicates him to be sadistic per se, but I think it could be rather easily assumed via artistic license given his other characteristics and simple characterization in the OG. That's how he was received according to a lot of fanfiction submitted before Advent Children.

True, I’m one of those later fans who came in after AC who basis my conception of Rufus more on Case of Shinra and BC.
(I was 8 when the OG came out and couldn’t read at the time or afford a play station, I did get one in 1998 but Spyro the Dragon was more my speed and then my system was stolen/never replaced so I didn’t become familiar with FFVII until college when my boyfriend introduced me to it).
I recognize that when debating the events of the original game, we might limit interpretation to the text itself, but in this case the text really doesn’t say either way.

As you noted
Given the graphics and lack of voicing, whether he enjoyed informing the party of their fate or was apathetic, and whether or not he was originally thought of to be a sadistic character is of a variable mileage to the gamer.

As made clear by the compilation, he obviously enjoys figurative chess matches and screwing with people, but in Case of Shinra was disgusted by Mutten's sadistic tendencies and excessive torture devices. So, I've concluded that his character is just intended to be apathetically ruthless (albeit far less after Meteorfall due to his experiences) and smug. He wouldn't actually expect people to enjoy dominance to that extreme.
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Personally, I feel that when the text does not provide an answer but the answer is provided in a related document, it’s ok to rely on the secondary source. So I tend to let the compilation stand as the canon in this instance and agree with your conclusions.

I think it’s another thing that makes Rufus interesting as a villain. He does cruel things, but doesn’t enjoy cruelty. He’s a villain who isn’t ‘evil’.
 

Clement Rage

Pro Adventurer
Hoold on a second...

It’s not simply that he isn’t a coward, it goes beyond bravery. I’m sure there are lots of men in powerful position who would send the less important people to die while they stayed somewhere safe even if they weren’t cowards. I think Rufus has principles, a responsibility to his people, and that’s why It would be easy to leave and live a comfortable existence in complete anonymity, but he doesn’t go. He stays to help the people of Midgar rebuild a new city, he funds the WRO, and he stands against Kadaj even though he doesn’t have to and continue to fight for the future of the world after the Shin-ra Company’s demise.

There's absolutely no indication of any of this, it's just opinion. When does he not 'stay somewhere safe'? The only time this happens is when he attacks Cloud on the Shinra building, where he has a helicopter on standby to get him out of there if things turn ugly, and a bodyguard devoted to ensuring he's safe from harm (Barrier and MBarrier). Are you talking about being in his office when WEAPON attacks? It's probably the safest place in Midgar, where else could he go?

Rufus Shinra has plenty of money and the all the terrible things that happened because of Shin-ra happened or were set in motion long before he came to power

Well, there was the whole 'funding a terrorist group bent on omnicide' thing. His mistake almost resulted in the end of the world, before he ever came to power.


It would be easy to leave and live a comfortable existence in complete anonymity, but he doesn’t go. He stays to help the people of Midgar rebuild a new city, he funds the WRO, and he stands against Kadaj even though he doesn’t have to

You're forgetting something rather important here. He has geostigma! So he has to find a cure and stand against Kadaj, he has nothing to lose.

In contrast, Rufus wouldn’t level an entire city (Sector 7) to get at a small group of terrorists, rather he would round up those actually responsible and publically execute them to send a message. “If you cross Shinra, you will die”.

Again, there's no way to know this. After sector 7, AVALNCHE doesn't have a fixed base, so he has no opportunity to destroy a town if he wanted to. Nor does he 'round them up', he stumbles across the party by dumb luck while chasing somebody else, and is fortunate enough that their only way out of the crater is his airship.

Capturing AVALANCHE alone isn't a particular indication of moral character. He had an opportunity, and he took it. That doesn't distinguish him from his father at all, in fact President Shinra locked up AVALANCHE once in the Shinra building himself... what do you think he was planning to do with them later? He didn't destroy any towns that time, because he didn't have to. Doesn't mean he wouldn't given the chance. And given how many people AVALANCHE I killed, I don't think we can infer that he is concerned about collateral damage. I mean, how many 'less important people' died because he wanted to seize power from his dad, a power he would eventually have inherited anyway?

lots of men in powerful position who would send the less important people to die while they stayed somewhere safe

Which he does several times.

I don't think you can call Rufus particularly brave because he doesn't want the world he rules destroyed. He spent five years scheming to gain power, do you think he's going to just abdicate once he gets it?
 

The Twilight Mexican

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You're forgetting something rather important here. He has geostigma! So he has to find a cure and stand against Kadaj, he has nothing to lose.

He has to find a cure, yes, but he also makes a point of fixing his father's mistakes. See this passage from The Kids Are Alright (translated by hitoshura):

“Elena is looking bored,” said Rufus Shinra to his subordinate Tseng as he walked away from the window of the lodge.
“I would like to be moving on to the next project—” Rufus paused and struggled to return to his wheelchair.
“Yes, sir. I will tell Elena shortly. However, I intend to keep this from Reno and Rude for now. This new project is more exciting, I fear if they knew the details their work in the city would end up getting cast aside.”
“Very well. Have you gathered intel on Jenova?”
“Not yet, sir.”
Jenova, a monstrous being which arrived from outer space. Nobody knew what form it was in now. Is it a withered fragment of flesh, or is it taking the appearance of some bizarre creature. But Tseng believed that if it were somewhere nearby—as either a mound of flesh or a creature—then they would surely know about it.
“By the way, sir, what are your plans once we locate it?”
“My father—” Rufus Shinra answered, with his eyes gazing off into the distance. “He set his sights on the Lifestream flowing within the planet, called it mako energy and packaged it for the masses. Mako changed the industrial structure of the day at its very foundations, and mankind obtained prosperity the likes of which it had never known.”
“Yes.”
“With the immense fortune and power he gained, and even if he was lining his own pockets to some degree, my father invested most of it into new fields. On a massive scale, and devoid of ethics. And one of those was the research of and experimentation on Jenova. Eventually this bore a monster named Sephiroth—”
Sephiroth. That monster, a hybrid of human and Jenova, possessed a fathomless prowess in battle. His show of power on the battlefield lead to him becoming lauded as a hero. However, his heart was not as strong as his body. When the hero learnt of his birth he avowed his heritage as the son of Jenova, and as a result went mad. He revolted against the company, and what's more sought the extermination of humanity. During the battle against Sephiroth the Shinra Company was destroyed, and the planet brought to the brink of returning to stardust.
“My father took his leave from this stage early on, leaving those of us left behind to suffer the nightmares of it. Far from reasonable, wouldn't you say?”
Tseng looked at Rufus, neither denying nor confirming what he has said.
“I am not my father,” Rufus said with a forcefulness in his voice, moving his wheelchair to the window. He could see the people suffering from Geostigma in the square.
“I will bring it to an end, once and for all.”

Clem said:
Again, there's no way to know this. After sector 7, AVALNCHE doesn't have a fixed base, so he has no opportunity to destroy a town if he wanted to. Nor does he 'round them up', he stumbles across the party by dumb luck while chasing somebody else, and is fortunate enough that their only way out of the crater is his airship.

I think Cameo's point was that, if Rufus knew their base was in Sector 7, rather than crushing that entire section of the city, he would have just surprised everyone with a raid during the night, located the people known to be AVALANCHE operatives, and executed them in public.
 
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Rydeen

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The compilation canon, as exemplified by Hawkeye's Kids Are Alright citation, makes it rather clear that Rufus intends to take responsibility for what Shinra has inflicted upon the world.

In that passage, he displays resentment toward his father, not only for his deep-seated (and emotionally charged) belief that he was incompetent, but also from a moral standpoint, it seems. Given, his actions and beliefs prior to Meteorfall are/would have been of equally bereft moral quality (Rufus already had a nice little set of atrocities brewed out of Before Crisis) and equally, if not more reckless than he claimed his father to be, he appears to have changed significantly and recognizes and wishes to atone for his actions, and, as would be expected, found a new set of reasons to use daddy as his personal punching bag as he tends to do. This doesn't change the fact that, after having been raised to the purpose of running the company and only having had the chance to do so for around a month, he still views himself as the rightful leader of the world and will probably stop at nothing to get that back, packaged with his goal of restoration.

Rufus Shinra and the Turks Character Bios from Dengeki PS3 said:
After the Meteor crisis, even though he is infected with Geostigma, he gathers the surviving members of the Turks and from behind the scenes works towards the revival of the world. He is honest in this motive. However, he is also not a man who would stop there. In the unseen corners of his heart, perhaps he sees a clear vision of the world restored, and under the control of the Shinra Company

Rufus is obviously a brave character, and this (and his calculated intelligence) is what alienates him from the Ruthless-Blonde-Pretty Boy Joffrey/Draco archetype. He accepts Cloud's duel, takes up the responsibility of Presidency while dealing with the end of the world and destroying the WEAPONS (which Barret actually praises him for, if only for that moment). Given, he had an ample amount of protection in all of those situations, he still continues to exhibit such courage in Case of Shinra where he is badly wounded and unsafe, such as when a band of men break into his residence, a situation that he deals with in a calm and cerebral manner, during all the subsequent occurrences in which he is imprisoned and threatened, with a bit of his usual cockiness thrown in when he can get away with it. In the beginning of Case of Shinra, the Turks suggest he move his base of operations further from Midgar, but he refuses because, to paraphrase, he doesn't like to "run away."

And I can't tell you how much I love your Rufus cosplays, Cameo; especially that one.
 
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CameoAmalthea

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Are you talking about being in his office when WEAPON attacks? It's probably the safest place in Midgar, where else could he go?

Outside Midgar, and he could have left Junon during WEAPON's attack there. Cell phone technology exists, he could have easily given orders from a secure location outside of the city or from a secure bunker somewhere. Even Barret acknowledges that Rufus is brave for facing off against WEAPON.


Well, there was the whole 'funding a terrorist group bent on omnicide' thing. His mistake almost resulted in the end of the world, before he ever came to power.

How is that relevant? My argument isn't that "Rufus Shinra is good person who never did anything wrong ever" it's that he isn't personally responsible for the evils Shinra Company committed, but he takes responsibility for them none the less.

But since you're bringing up BC, don't you think that's a little hard on AVALANCHE. More like "funded a group of freedom fighters bent on taking down an evil corporation that ruined their lives and was bent on destroying the planet" in the hopes of killing his father whose continued reign of power was not beneficial to anyone.

Elfe was the leader of AVALANCHE. There's no indication that she or Shears wanted to kill everyone. My understand was omnicide was Fuhito's goal which he didn't begin to work towards until after Corel. Rufus only aided AVALANCHE when it was under Elfe's leadership.

This does not excuse Rufus's actions. AVALANCHE was willing to kill civilians and Shinra personnel alike to achieve their ends and Fuhito committed human experimentation. He, along with Elfe's AVALANCHE have blood on their hands, but Rufus was punished for his actions and I believe he only did what he thought was necessary at the time.

But again, this is not relevant to his guilt for Shinra's crimes.


You're forgetting something rather important here. He has geostigma! So he has to find a cure and stand against Kadaj, he has nothing to lose.

He began to make plans for Edge before he contracted geo-stigma. CoS indicates he never planned to run away from his responsibilities. After Advent Children, Rufus continues to fund the WRO.


Again, there's no way to know this. After sector 7, AVALNCHE doesn't have a fixed base, so he has no opportunity to destroy a town if he wanted to. Nor does he 'round them up', he stumbles across the party by dumb luck while chasing somebody else, and is fortunate enough that their only way out of the crater is his airship.

Capturing AVALANCHE alone isn't a particular indication of moral character. He had an opportunity, and he took it. That doesn't distinguish him from his father at all, in fact President Shinra locked up AVALANCHE once in the Shinra building himself... what do you think he was planning to do with them later? He didn't destroy any towns that time, because he didn't have to. Doesn't mean he wouldn't given the chance.

Rufus professes that he will do things differently than his old man and will rule by fear. Public executions to send a message is text book ruling by fear. I assume, if the President hadn't been killed he would have had AVALANCHE killed but probably would have not executed them publicly given that the reporter Scarlet speaks to finds public executions shocking we can reasonably infer they are not common place. Disappearances and reports of people being killed in conflict happened, but not public executions.


And given how many people AVALANCHE I killed, I don't think we can infer that he is concerned about collateral damage. I mean, how many 'less important people' died because he wanted to seize power from his dad, a power he would eventually have inherited anyway?

Here, BC is relevant. I don't think Rufus is against collateral damage if necessary, but I don't think he would throw away lives carelessly. He does what he thinks is necessary at the time.

I doubt Rufus would have risked everything for "power he would have inherited anyway" unless he had a reason. Perhaps he assumed his father would be overthrown before he could ascend to power so better to throw his hat in with the anti-Shinra people, maybe he thought Shinra's current policies were so troubling that a hostile takeover was necessary to ensure there'd be something left to rule once he took power, or maybe he just hated his father and needed to beat him. I'll repeat, Rufus is NOT a "good guy". He is willing to sacrifice others to achieve his own ends and he does so with ruthless pragmatism.

As with Tifa, how much blame Rufus bares for AVALANCHE's crimes is debatable since we do not know what degree of control he exercised (less than he thought given what happened in Corel). However, as I acknowledged Rufus does bare a blame. I never said Rufus was "good guy" or unwilling to kill. However, I don't think he does so flippantly.

He also is a much worse person in BC. He is punished and does become a better person. He then suffers more in CoS and continues to improve as a person.

I don't think you can call Rufus particularly brave because he doesn't want the world he rules destroyed. He spent five years scheming to gain power, do you think he's going to just abdicate once he gets it?

My point is Rufus is willing to put his own life/well being at risk when he does not necessarily need to. Joffrey didn't want Stannis to take over King's Landing, but he didn't fight on the front lines at the battle of Black Water. After Meteor Fall, Rufus no longer has power over the world, but he still takes responsibility for the world. Yes, he might do this in the hopes of getting back into power, because he wants power, but he still seems to have a sense of responsibility.

Again, Rufus isn't a "hero" or a "good guy". I think a heart he may be a 'good person' but all I'm really arguing is he isn't "evil" in the typical villainous ruler sense and has redeeming qualities. "Not as bad as Joffrey" is a pretty low bar to set here, but since Rufus is an antagonist the writers didn't have to give him any good qualities at all. They could have made him completely loathsome, but they didn't and he's more interesting because of that.
 

Clement Rage

Pro Adventurer
He was on the board when most of those things were done, which means he was part of those decisions, which means he has at least as much culpability as, say, Reeve.

I assume, if the President hadn't been killed he would have had AVALANCHE killed but probably would have not executed them publicly given that the reporter Scarlet speaks to finds public executions shocking we can reasonably infer they are not common place. Disappearances and reports of people being killed in conflict happened, but not public executions.
They don't generally happen, but since Shinra has an official execution chamber in the first place, I don't think you can't say that they never happen.

[QUOTEoffrey didn't want Stannis to take over King's Landing, but he didn't fight on the front lines at the battle of Black Water.][/QUOTE]

Very bad example. For a start, he's eleven, and he's the king it would be completely unreasonable for him to fight on the front lines. Secondly, he did stay in King's Landing, in the most fortified and safest place in his entire kingdom, so he's about as courageous as Rufus here, in terms of location at least. In fact, Casterly Rock would probably be safer. And when does Rufus fight on the frontlines of anything?

Let's be clear, I'm not calling him a coward. I just don't see any super special bravery. Especially compared to his dad, who isn't willing to delay a speech even though completing it involves walking down a street with multiple people actually shooting at him.
 
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CameoAmalthea

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He was on the board when most of those things were done, which means he was part of those decisions, which means he has at least as much culpability as, say, Reeve.

He was put on the board in 2000. So the SOLDIER program, Mako, none of that is his doing. Immediately after he was appointed to what seems to be a largely symbolic position he left. When he was around, his father never listened to his suggestions. From 2003-2007 he was not an active board member, he was locked up, and upon release he was sent to Junon. I don't think Rufus ever had power, and again, most of the evil things Shinra did happened before he was born or he had no power over whatsoever.

Let's be clear, I'm not calling him a coward. I just don't see any super special bravery. Especially compared to his dad, who isn't willing to delay a speech even though completing it involves walking down a street with multiple people actually shooting at him.

Yes, the President is also brave (though stupid since he put lives at risk unnecessarily) but yes, he has nerves of steel, Rufus has to get it from somewhere doesn't he? Both men are brave.

In regards to Game of Thrones, I can't really make an argument because I've not read the books (I really like the show), but if someone wants to take over that for me. I will say, Goffrey can't get in a helicopter and leave while Rufus could have at any point and Rufus has confronted enemies face to face. (Kadaj/Cloud). But again, better than Goffrey really isn't much of a standard.

Gold star, you're not as bad as you could have been. I'm not going to blindly argue that Rufus is "great" merely that he's interesting because he is likable despite being the villain and not in a sympathetic but evil or evil but sexy way, in a he's understandable way.
 
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Let's be clear, I'm not calling him a coward. I just don't see any super special bravery. Especially compared to his dad, who isn't willing to delay a speech even though completing it involves walking down a street with multiple people actually shooting at him.

It's funny you should cite that, given that his foolhardy, bullish behaviour cost the life of more than one infantryman.
 

CameoAmalthea

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I'm tempted to quote the Lion King.

"I'm only brave when I have to be. Being brave doesn't mean you go looking for trouble."
 

Clement Rage

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I didn't say it was something he should have done or I liked, but it is an example of bravery. I'm not seeing extraordinary courage in staying in literally the safest place in the world (but there's nothing wrong with doing that, either). He doesn't have to fight on the frontlines, but you compared him negatively to Joffrey because J hasn't fought on the frontlines, when Rufus hasn't either.

Gold star, you're not as bad as you could have been.

Hm, are you talking to me here, or referring to Rufus as better than Joff?
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
Rufus better than Joff, and that general defense of characters. Also AVATAR quote. Basically, I'm not saying Rufus is good because he could have been worse, just that some admirable qualities are intriguing.

I also think it would have been safer to evacuate by helicopter. I think Barret's comment in Junon suggests what Rufus was doing was above and beyond what he needed to do.
 

The Twilight Mexican

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Rufus certainly has fought on the front lines in as much as such a thing exists in the scenarios he's been involved with. He went head to head with Cloud (and for all he knew, Barret and the others may have attacked him as well), stood in rooms directly open to fire from both Sapphire and Diamond Weapon during Shin-Ra engagements with them, and took Kadaj on as well.

Hell, he took a Quadra Magic blast to the face with Kadaj, side-stepping it at the last possible nano second, cutting it so close that it ripped the bandages off his face -- and then he immediately began shooting back. Rufus is not lacking in courage.
 
Hell, he took a Quadra Magic blast
In the context of FFVII, this is wrong. Quadra Magic is a support materia, not a spell. The spell Kadaj uses there is also only shown to be one projectile, not four, if that is what you were getting at.

Sorry, I just had to geek out. :awesome:
 

The Twilight Mexican

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I just assumed he used the same materia there that he fired at Cloud with later (which I think fans have affectionately called "Quadra Magic"), but I suppose it could have just been a Bolt spell or something like that.
 
You know (not that it matters), I always got the impression that

a)it was Fire (due to the Fire that erupted, and maybe because Kadaj was so pissed he wanted to burn Rufus's face off) and

b) Rufus didn't exactly jump, it was more than he was taken by surprise and lost his footing trying to dodge the spell. Although I like the idea that he planned all along to jump, as it would make the arrival of Tseng and Elena with the net guns less fortuitous.
 

Cat Rage Room

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I think all of you guys are suffering from slip of the tongue and you all really mean Matra Magic, the common recurring spell in the series that usually looks exactly like the spell he uses.
 
I think all of you guys are suffering from slip of the tongue and you all really mean Matra Magic, the common recurring spell in the series that usually looks exactly like the spell he uses.

Matra Magic is a number of missiles fired at your target. The spell used by Kadaj looks like pure energy. The closest spell in appearance (in terms of being multiple shots of pure energy) from the original game would be Laser, which consists of multiple red lasers. But I honestly don't think that the spell Kadaj uses is something known from the original game. It is probably unnamed and undefined, even by the creators of the movie.
 

Cat Rage Room

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Matra Magic is a number of missiles fired at your target. The spell used by Kadaj looks like pure energy. The closest spell in appearance (in terms of being multiple shots of pure energy) from the original game would be Laser, which consists of multiple red lasers. But I honestly don't think that the spell Kadaj uses is something known from the original game. It is probably unnamed and undefined, even by the creators of the movie.

I am aware of that.

I understand in the original FFVII the spell fires literal missiles, but in almost every appearance of the spell after VII it usually looks exactly like Kadaj's spell. It is a general consensus that if FFVII were to be reimagined, it wouldn't resemble literal missiles, and would probably reflect how it usually looked in modern FFs, and for that reason the spell that Kadaj uses is unofficially considered to be Matra Magic.


Technically you're right, it could be either or, a random ass spell or something, but I'm just speaking representatively here.
 

ForceStealer

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Yes, I have always referred to it as Matra Magic ever since the movie came out. It's essentially the Magic Missile spell from D&D and Matra Magic is basically FF's version of that. Several of the Limit Breaks that occur in the movie have visual differences as well. (Not concrete but hte wiki also identifies it as Matra Magic :monster:)
 
From the looks of the ffwiki page on Matra Magic, it is only the FFIX version of Matra Magic which has a similarity to the Advent Children spell. The Tactics version might look similar, but the image gallery doesn't show. Either way, judging from the image gallery, it looks to be primarily depicted as missiles, not just pure energy.

Of course none of this is relevant. Back on topic.

RUFUS IS COOL. He will never make himself look like a coward.
 

T@ctic

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Orah, Iju
tifa and barret were executed for the "right" reasons. blowing stuff up is hardly justifiable, it didnt help them at all, and AVALANCHE acted badly on their part.

to stress it further, they wouldnt be doing this if shin-ra wasnt acting dirty, but everyone knows that.

tifa and barret were going to die because the trespassed too many times to count, tifa forced don corneo to tell shin-ra secrets, they sneaked into the buildings, trashed everything, stole nanaki and stole automobiles. they had no business getting aerith back when they were warned not to, plus shin-ra had dibs on her by her birth alone. aerith was, in complete honesty, all theirs to keep. really, just because shin-ra was bad didnt mean that they had to break some serious offenses.

but thats all imo.
 

Ite

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Ite
Well that, and the only people alive who know that they didn't bomb Sector 7 are Heidegger and the Turks. Rufus might not actually know the truth.
 
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