Should they re-make FFVII?

[Cannon_Fodder]

TBH, I have split feelings on this. I mean, yeah, a remake would be good. But on the other hand, some of the original charm would be lost. A lot of people are bringing up the translation problems - hell, when haven't you actually laughed at that? "This guy are sick" is a friggin' meme.

You could always play the original Also, I'd love to see a remake where the insignificant mistakes are fixed (beacause you are a puppet) while the memorable ones are still a part of the game in one way or another. I can imagine Aerith saying "This guy are sick" still, only she gets an odd look or something. Nothing major, just a little hint.

Also, one of my issues with FFX (and FFVIII) onwards is the inability to rename characters, due in some cases to the voice-acting (the biggest problem with FFX? WE DO NOT NAME "HIM". "HE" MUST NEVER BE NAMED. EVEN IN THE SEQUEL). Having a character turn around and instead of asking "What do we do, Cloud?", asks you by your name instead makes things feel more immediate.

This is just a personal thing, I know, but the only time I ever renamed a character was to change Aeris to Aerith, and that was only because I played FFVII late. To each their own though, I just won't miss the ability to rename characters. I play the games to hear stories of other people, not myself in amazing situations.

If they do a remake - I want more background info re: characters who aren't Cloud. Like, naming Nanaki's race/species/tribe would be a start. If I read one more fanfic calling them the Gi... Actually, more world background would be good full stop. Like the random quotes or background info on the Key Items in FFIX.

THIS. It's as simple as having something like the bestiary from FFXII that outlined all manner of little details from the world. It'd be interesting, at least to me, and really clear up a lot of little fan arguments. And while Cloud is my favourite character, I want to hear just as much about the other characters, something the original did well.

One last thing, why the fuck can't it just be multiplatform? Every game gets to play it, and S-E makes more money. Everybody wins!

 

[Makoeyes987]

One last thing, why the fuck can't it just be multiplatform? Every game gets to play it, and S-E makes more money. Everybody wins!

Multiplatforming has its problems. Shit can end up getting lost in development, trying to make both copies equal. The PS3 version of FFXIII lost its promise of dual audio of Japanese and English because they weren't able to do that for the X-Box 360 version. Shit like that makes multiplatforming kinda lame.

Anyways, people saying that remaking the game would take away the originals charm make no sense. Nothing can take away the original's charm because the original will always exist. It's not like they can erase the game from history or your collection. You want to play the shitty translated version with the lego people, go play it. Let the rest of us who want the story and game polished and updated for what the best this generation can offer play our version. The blocky, ATB shit can only be entertaining for so long.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Just wondering - can anyone see the Hell House making it into a remake of the game? Especially if encounters aren't random and don't take you into a different battle screen (meaning you can see enemies before you engage them on the map, like in Final Fantasy XII).

 

[Anzu Mazaki]

I think having a remake would be awesome in so many ways. I'd like to see some of the scenes in HD that haven't been done yet in the rest of the compilation, eg Aerith's death (the ACC one hardly counted), and I'm a sucker for CGed cutscenes.

In addition, I think with all this other stuff they've added to the Compilation that have been...well inconsistent I would like to see it resolved. I mean, they tried, but maybe not hard enough, to make all the other parts of the Compilation consistent.

In fact, instead of a remake I think they should just compile the entire Compilation into one huge game, from CC all the way through to DC It would definitely help me picture the timeline better. I would buy a PS3/Xbox just for that.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Just wondering - can anyone see the Hell House making it into a remake of the game? Especially if encounters aren't random and don't take you into a different battle screen (meaning you can see enemies before you engage them on the map, like in Final Fantasy XII).

Why wouldn't they?

@Anzu Mazaki

Could you imagine playing the crazy motorcycle chase mini-game in real time, high definition graphics? I fucking cream my pants every time just thinking of the badass potential in that alone.

And then the submarine game. And then Chocobo racing. I mean fuck. How could you NOT want a remake to see those moments come to life in real time PS3 graphics, instead of blocky lego polygons?

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Why wouldn't they?

If I saw a giant, evil-looking house lurking around the corner on the screen in HD I'd laugh my guts out. It was just one of those monsters that didn't make sense to me.

 

[Makoeyes987]

If I saw a giant, evil-looking house lurking around the corner on the screen in HD I'd laugh my guts out. It was just one of those monsters that didn't make sense to me.

Because every monster in FF makes sense, right?

If anything, they'd probably look like normal houses and would spring alive if you got near them or something. Which would actually look kinda cool.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Because every monster in FF makes sense, right?

Well, I try to make them make sense. I liked the Clan Primer in FFXII and how they tried to explain all the monsters' origins and stuff. Helped make sense of the world. Try as I might though, I couldn't make sense of the monster-houses.

If anything, they'd probably look like normal houses and would spring alive if you got near them or something. Which would actually look kinda cool.

The way I'd envisioned it, there were silly-looking houses swaying slightly to and fro, lying in wait behind piles of rubbish. But now that you put it this way, yes, it would be kinda cool. Damn you.

 

[Alex]

Hell Houses were by no means the stupidest enemy you fought in FFVII

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Hell Houses were by no means the stupidest enemy you fought in FFVII

No, they were merely the first that came to my mind.

Damn thread's got me wishing again. What's the latest, official word on the remake?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well, I try to make them make sense. I liked the Clan Primer in FFXII and how they tried to explain all the monsters' origins and stuff. Helped make sense of the world. Try as I might though, I couldn't make sense of the monster-houses.

Could you make sense of the Crystal Bugs? Or what about those Malboro Overkings, with their debonair mustaches and matching crowns? And of course the classic "Rogue Tomato?"

The way I'd envisioned it, there were silly-looking houses swaying slightly to and fro, lying in wait behind piles of rubbish. But now that you put it this way, yes, it would be kinda cool. Damn you.

Well, the houses are clearly some type of weapon. Either they're Shinra weapons that started running amok (which CC shows us, is..quite common in Midgar) or anti-monster weapons that haven't quite mastered knowing the difference between human and monster.

 

[Dark and Divine]

Well, the houses are clearly some type of weapon. Either they're Shinra weapons that started running amok (which CC shows us, is..quite common in Midgar) or anti-monster weapons that haven't quite mastered knowing the difference between human and monster.

Or they may be Shinra weapons with progamming resembling the mind of a turtle.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Just wondering - can anyone see the Hell House making it into a remake of the game? Especially if encounters aren't random and don't take you into a different battle screen (meaning you can see enemies before you engage them on the map, like in Final Fantasy XII).

If they got rid of the dear Hell House it would diminish the game for me. I like the fact that it makes no sense. That's its charm.

 

[Makoeyes987]

If they got rid of the dear Hell House it would diminish the game for me. I like the fact that it makes no sense. That's its charm.

This, times a 1000. That's the fun of RPGs, especially Final Fantasies. The enemies don't HAVE to make sense. They're just amusing, and sometimes, hilariously designed. I think that was lost post FFVII to an extent. It came back for FFIX though. And definitely FFXII. Fuck, the boss fight against the Fury was just pure gold.

Oh and FFXI as well. There are some hilarious notorious monsters in that one too.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Could you make sense of the Crystal Bugs? Or what about those Malboro Overkings, with their debonair mustaches and matching crowns? And of course the classic "Rogue Tomato?"

I didn't have to, man - the game provided an explanation for all of them. Did you read the Clan Primer? For example, IIRC, they explained the Crystalbugs... And it worked in the context of the world, as long as you didn't worry about why someone would go touch a crystal.

Actually wait - I would, they're kinda mesmerizing. And some of them are gate-crystals.

Well, the houses are clearly some type of weapon. Either they're Shinra weapons that started running amok (which CC shows us, is..quite common in Midgar) or anti-monster weapons that haven't quite mastered knowing the difference between human and monster.

True, but then I'd be wondering why the hell Shinra built weapons that looked like houses - until your last post, which really didn't occur to me. My main gripe was with my own unfortunate visualization.

Funny, even though you said the monsters didn't have to make sense, you gave it a decent explanation.

Edit: Must agree with you about Fury, though. Its death scene struck me as one of the funniest things I've ever seen. But once again, the Clan Primer "explained" the creature. Basically, I think I'd like something like the Clan Primer in FFVII.

 

[Bex]

I personally think they should remake FFVII, but on both Xbox 360 and PS3.

When I first played FF7, I was about 10 or something, and I think the crucial thing is that it was on THE console of the time. PS1 was at the height of technology of that time, and the oppurtunity to play something so epic on a console that could really utilise all its specs was amazing. I think this is why a remake would be good, it would really be able to communicate the greatness of FF7 to a new generation that in most cases, is quite prejudiced against the PS1 and the comparably poor graphics of the game. Most people I have lent the game to have said that they couldn't get into it due to the shocking quality of graphics and the arcane translation of it all.

Yes, I know it's a shallow reason, but a lot of people are like that. They want to be immersed in graphical splendor and a next gen battle HUD, they want fully blown, HD friendly, spectacular worlds in which to experience a story of such epic levels. I personally would also love a remake for this reason.

Although I do appreciate the original, I would like to see FF7 made to the high specs and demands of our console-gen. I think that FF7 deserves to be made with voice acting, with a good translation, with those lush, complex environments in the world alot of us have fallen in love with. Think about it; the Temple of the Ancients and The Northern Crater with the same level of detail that we got even in past gen games like FF12.

Regarding things like Hell House, as well as the snowboarding after Aerith's death; surely the graphical upgrade and tone of the surroundings would allow us to better appreciate the context.

...I think this is the longest post I have ever made regarding Final Fantasy.

 

[ForceStealer]

Consoles are a moot point. Even if they started the FF7 Remake right this second it probably wouldn't be done in time to be on this generation. Unless the PS3 actually does last 10 years. Though by that point Microsoft will have released several hundred new incarnations of xbox...

As for monsters...freaking Cactuar. Now get out of here with your monsters needing to be reasonable nonsense.

And FFV is leaps and bounds better than FFIV, imo, it should have gotten all the remakes in its stead anyway.

 

[Raquelborn]

Like when Zack gives a speech to Cloud when he dies in CC, but in FFVII Zack was dead when Cloud crawled up to him. I don't remember much else not matching up though...

By "match up" I mean none of the spin offs' stories or gameplay are as good as the original. FFVII just set a very high bar though, so it's no surprise.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Do you reckon that the "feel" of certain scenes might be lost? Like Don Corneo thrusting around, and the bath-tub scene in the Honeybee Inn? Would they feel any different rendered in far more detail?

As for monsters...freaking Cactuar. Now get out of here with your monsters needing to be reasonable nonsense.

Someone said they needed to be reasonable? Must've been another thread. And btw, Christopher might serve as a better example.

 

[ForceStealer]

Case closed

Do you reckon that the "feel" of certain scenes might be lost? Like Don Corneo thrusting around, and the bath-tub scene in the Honeybee Inn? Would they feel any different rendered in far more detail?

They might have to change some of the choreography, Corneo just standing there doing pelvic thrusts might be odd, but it wouldn't be hard to make him just look horny and obnoxious.
The bathtub scene could probably still work just by panning the camera so all you cansee is Cloud's spike

 

[Glaurung]

...besides, a remake would be much better on the PC

NO!!! I don't want it to crash when I have to change my OS! My original FFVII was for the PC. It worked on W98 but not in XP

Anyways, people saying that remaking the game would take away the originals charm make no sense. Nothing can take away the original's charm because the original will always exist. It's not like they can erase the game from history or your collection. You want to play the shitty translated version with the lego people, go play it. Let the rest of us who want the story and game polished and updated for what the best this generation can offer play our version. The blocky, ATB shit can only be entertaining for so long.

I wasn't talking about taking away the charm. Hell, I'd fill a bathtub with drool if I could play the Fort Condor minigame in HD, or could see Lucrecia's cave and actually walk inside, instead of just watching it through a cutscene. It's just that many things will have to be changed, like when Don Corneo falls from the Wutai god's hand, or when Barret throws Biggs (or Wedge, I forget ) towards the camera, or when Vincent does that backflip in slowmotion when he goes out of the coffin.

And for the renames and dubs, I'm quite content of how these characters were named, and by now I don't think many people would want to change their names. The only time I did it was to change Aeris to Aerith and RedXIII to Nanaki.

Anyway, SE know they would sell it for sure so, where's the haste?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I wasn't talking about taking away the charm. Hell, I'd fill a bathtub with drool if I could play the Fort Condor minigame in HD, or could see Lucrecia's cave and actually walk inside, instead of just watching it through a cutscene. It's just that many things will have to be changed, like when Don Corneo falls from the Wutai god's hand, or when Barret throws Biggs (or Wedge, I forget ) towards the camera, or when Vincent does that backflip in slowmotion when he goes out of the coffin.

But the charm can't be taken away. Square Enix ninjas aren't going to break into your home, smash your copy of FFVII, and replace it with a PS3 and a copy of the FFVII remake for it. Nothing can take away anything from the original FFVII. Ever. It's been made. It's been out for 10 years, and it's not going anywhere. It will always be the first.

No one's suddenly forgotten the original version of FFIV, now that the DS remake of it has been out for a couple of years, have they? A remake will be a remake. A retooling and retelling of the original. It's not going to replace and negate the existence of the original.

And who says all that has to be changed? Did the creators say that? Did they change any of the shit in FFIV when they remade it for the DS? Why do you think that's somehow not going to be there.

Fuck, have you played DC? They would NOT remove the dramatic backflip and slow motion of Vincent coming out of his coffin. They kept all that shit there in that game. They're not gonna change anything.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

And who says all that has to be changed? Did the creators say that? Did they change any of the shit in FFIV when they remade it for the DS? Why do you think that's somehow not going to be there.

Fuck, have you played DC? They would NOT remove the dramatic backflip and slow motion of Vincent coming out of his coffin. They kept all that shit there in that game. They're not gonna change anything.

Still though, it's not a bad thing to have a healthy wariness that they'll remain faithful to their original work. There have been more than a few cases where a remake is more like dog vomit compared to the original, and this is the case with all media.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Still though, it's not a bad thing to have a healthy wariness that they'll remain faithful to their original work. There have been more than a few cases where a remake is more like dog vomit compared to the original, and this is the case with all media.

True, but I don't think S-E has treated any of their remakes like that.

FFIII, FFIV, FF1, and FFII all have had stellar remakes that have shown them more than capable of being able to handle keeping it true, while adding new shit to keep it interesting. FFIII, and FFIV especially. It's just fans being fans, and wary of anything that might change their fandom

 

[Glaurung]

But the charm can't be taken away. Square Enix ninjas aren't going to break into your home, smash your copy of FFVII, and replace it with a PS3 and a copy of the FFVII remake for it. Nothing can take away anything from the original FFVII. Ever. It's been made. It's been out for 10 years, and it's not going anywhere. It will always be the first.

And who says all that has to be changed? Did the creators say that? Did they change any of the shit in FFIV when they remade it for the DS? Why do you think that's somehow not going to be there.

Fuck, have you played DC? They would NOT remove the dramatic backflip and slow motion of Vincent coming out of his coffin. They kept all that shit there in that game. They're not gonna change anything.

I know, I know, Mako, but it's just me being paranoid. I want a remake as much as any FFVII fan, but I'm always affraid that they mess things up. FFVII was my first game, and my favorite one, no matter how many games I've played afterwards.

Fear is just an illogical thing, as they say. No one has talked about a remake, or about what they would do, so every single thing we say is just speculation. My only concer is that the creators assume that a realistic-looking game has to be serious (something totally false), but again, is just my own concern.

No, didn't play DoC (me poor and doesn't have a PS2 ), just watched the cutscenes, but now that you mention it, I watched it again and it's true that in the Sector Seven Train Graveyard he does that backflip

Ok, you convinced me, I'll have faith on SE guys.