[SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III Spoiler Thread
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The Twilight Mexican
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That was a great scene. I got emotional there too.
And then when Axel suddenly broke down after being reunited with Xion and Roxas.
JechtShotMK9
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Yup. Those were the two moments where I lost it. I was a bit surprised at the latter, because that trio is the one I'm least invested in, but they pulled it off really, really well.
Makoeyes987
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Seriously.
The San Fransokyo world really fucking nailed it. This is really good. I love the callbacks they did with Dark Riku here as the villain.
"No matter how much you try, he won't wake up. This puppet is has lost his heart." Like. That was a perfectly timed throwback to Riku in KH1 and a clever way to really hammer the point that apparently, this Riku is from the past. The interaction with Maleficent, his lines to Sora about how they always try to "one up" each other... They really got it here. I figured this would be the world that I'd enjoy most.
The entire story here meshes with the experiment of the Organization trying to replicate hearts and use replicas as vessels so well, it's impressive. They got creative and using the past Baymax as a plot was nice. Seriously, I'm glad they didn't make this another movie retelling world with Sora just tagging along. They nailed the emotion here...
...Although I was kinda surprised they gave him a 2nd Baymax. That seemed a bit tonally dissonant
I guess I can forgive it although it was quite jarring given the build up the narrative gave about a heart not being just in a specific object but in how you remember them and said heart existing with you as well. It was like they got cold feet about really going deep into that theme and swerved into a happy ending at the last minute.
EDIT: Although the more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that it did that
The San Fransokyo world really fucking nailed it. This is really good. I love the callbacks they did with Dark Riku here as the villain.
"No matter how much you try, he won't wake up. This puppet is has lost his heart." Like. That was a perfectly timed throwback to Riku in KH1 and a clever way to really hammer the point that apparently, this Riku is from the past. The interaction with Maleficent, his lines to Sora about how they always try to "one up" each other... They really got it here. I figured this would be the world that I'd enjoy most.
The entire story here meshes with the experiment of the Organization trying to replicate hearts and use replicas as vessels so well, it's impressive. They got creative and using the past Baymax as a plot was nice. Seriously, I'm glad they didn't make this another movie retelling world with Sora just tagging along. They nailed the emotion here...
...Although I was kinda surprised they gave him a 2nd Baymax. That seemed a bit tonally dissonant
I guess I can forgive it although it was quite jarring given the build up the narrative gave about a heart not being just in a specific object but in how you remember them and said heart existing with you as well. It was like they got cold feet about really going deep into that theme and swerved into a happy ending at the last minute.EDIT: Although the more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that it did that
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Makoeyes987
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The game fucking shifted gears into awesome right after San Fransokyo.
That Aqua boss fight. Was amazing. Truly a good, and challenging fight. That whole moment and reunion was perfect, too.
They really should have had more Riku playable moments. It's a shame he isn't. He was fun to play as.
Really loved the reveal that Vexen has a conscious -and wasn't just the evil mad scientist they originally portrayed him to be. I'm glad they developed him more and had him be the one who was a traitor. The reunion with Ansem and Ienzo was sweet too.
I seriously laughed out loud at the reunion of all the 7 Guardians. Lea was hilarious in stating the obvious of how confusing it was with everyone knowing each other and being connected.
I will say though, that my main gripe is the same thing I said before. There's too much "showing" and not enough "playing." I really wish we could've played actually going to the Destiny Islands or returning to Castle Oblivion from the Realm of Darkness. And Land of Departure needed more time. The moment after the reunion where they rest and have a break before going to the Keyblade Graveyard would've been a perfect spot to place a spot where optional side quests could open up that you could accomplish with all the various characters.
Also, I'm now confused on something.
When "Ansem" and Xemnas were defeated, they became the recompleted Xehanort.
That was "Terra-nort."
So where did old-man Xehanort come from...?
Terranort is the one who exists in the current timeline.
So who is the old man and where does he come from? The past?
EDIT: And Sora perished. Kinda interesting Sora's been here before... The Final World... And that means that it's confirmed that Union X is really just a dream world. A world in a realm between life and death.
...And did Sora meet Streltzia? The assassinated Keyblade Master?
That Aqua boss fight. Was amazing. Truly a good, and challenging fight. That whole moment and reunion was perfect, too.
They really should have had more Riku playable moments. It's a shame he isn't. He was fun to play as.
Really loved the reveal that Vexen has a conscious -and wasn't just the evil mad scientist they originally portrayed him to be. I'm glad they developed him more and had him be the one who was a traitor. The reunion with Ansem and Ienzo was sweet too.
I seriously laughed out loud at the reunion of all the 7 Guardians. Lea was hilarious in stating the obvious of how confusing it was with everyone knowing each other and being connected.
I will say though, that my main gripe is the same thing I said before. There's too much "showing" and not enough "playing." I really wish we could've played actually going to the Destiny Islands or returning to Castle Oblivion from the Realm of Darkness. And Land of Departure needed more time. The moment after the reunion where they rest and have a break before going to the Keyblade Graveyard would've been a perfect spot to place a spot where optional side quests could open up that you could accomplish with all the various characters.
Also, I'm now confused on something.
When "Ansem" and Xemnas were defeated, they became the recompleted Xehanort.
That was "Terra-nort."
So where did old-man Xehanort come from...?
Terranort is the one who exists in the current timeline.
So who is the old man and where does he come from? The past?
EDIT: And Sora perished. Kinda interesting Sora's been here before... The Final World... And that means that it's confirmed that Union X is really just a dream world. A world in a realm between life and death.
...And did Sora meet Streltzia? The assassinated Keyblade Master?
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JechtShotMK9
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Yeah, I was wondering who that second conversation when picking up the Sora parts was. Not too familiar with the whole mobile thing.
Dashell
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Yes, she has a star in the Final World.... she was the one who was waiting for someone. Or so I've been told.... apparently Xion and Namine are also there but I stopped talking to the stars cause they were sad
Also I just thought of something. Remember how we all used to joke about "LOL SOra's gonna die in the end guize" welp
(and again, yes I know he's not gone forever)
Makoeyes987
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Yeah I was thinking that was Xion... Wow.
This was especially heavy and sad. All those dead hearts, still hanging on and not letting go.
And ironic. Sora did die. Or at least came extremely close. He was woefully unprepared. Xehanort wasn't fucking around.
EDIT: ... Is that Chirithy... The Chirithy that belonged to Ventus?
This was especially heavy and sad. All those dead hearts, still hanging on and not letting go.
And ironic. Sora did die. Or at least came extremely close. He was woefully unprepared. Xehanort wasn't fucking around.
EDIT: ... Is that Chirithy... The Chirithy that belonged to Ventus?
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Makoeyes987
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Okay. I'm confused as fuck.
At first I thought that Sora somehow rewound time but no. He literally got all their hearts back from the brink of darkness and restored them with the "Power of Waking."
So everyone should remember what happened. In fact, Kairi and the others acknowledge it.
...So why does Ventus do the exact same fucking thing when Terra is standing along in the desert? Why does he run up to him and Aqua say the same thing??
And why would Terra do the same fucking thing?? Is this like a sick joke to him?!
Why does this replay the same time except until Terra's Lingering Will appears?
At first I thought that Sora somehow rewound time but no. He literally got all their hearts back from the brink of darkness and restored them with the "Power of Waking."
So everyone should remember what happened. In fact, Kairi and the others acknowledge it.
...So why does Ventus do the exact same fucking thing when Terra is standing along in the desert? Why does he run up to him and Aqua say the same thing??
And why would Terra do the same fucking thing?? Is this like a sick joke to him?!
Why does this replay the same time except until Terra's Lingering Will appears?
Dashell
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I'm assuming he did turn back time somehow... which is... really kind of stupid. I don't see the point in everything you do there if you can just go back in time and fix it. Hell let's just go back in time and kill Xehanort while we're at it
Makoeyes987
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"We gotta make sure you're not blundering your way to a second dues ex machina failure."
"I'll have you know we failed with style, chief."
"At least you admit it."
Man, I fucking loved that exchange.
...So wait, Sora did turn back time? What the fuck?
If that's the case... How come Kairi knew of it? Or anyone? Furthermore, it didn't seem like time was turned back given the exchange right after....
Unless... Maybe it's something that has to do with the chess match between Eraqus and young Xehanort?
I dunno. That whole part was weird and not clear. The Union X moment of awesome was cute but I loved when Dark Riku appeared. That was boss.
It's kinda strange that so many Shadows are so dangerous to the point of lethalty. I guess these are those uber-shadows that shatter keyblades shipped straight out of the Realm of Darkness, huh?
EDIT: And.. I lost it at the return of the "best" Sora. Like. Omg. That made it all worth it. Hearing "Vector of the Heavens" play. And seeing them reunited again. That was. Amazing.
They were in the worst game... But they were the best characters. #TeamNobody
"I'll have you know we failed with style, chief."
"At least you admit it."
Man, I fucking loved that exchange.
...So wait, Sora did turn back time? What the fuck?
If that's the case... How come Kairi knew of it? Or anyone? Furthermore, it didn't seem like time was turned back given the exchange right after....
Unless... Maybe it's something that has to do with the chess match between Eraqus and young Xehanort?
I dunno. That whole part was weird and not clear. The Union X moment of awesome was cute but I loved when Dark Riku appeared. That was boss.
It's kinda strange that so many Shadows are so dangerous to the point of lethalty. I guess these are those uber-shadows that shatter keyblades shipped straight out of the Realm of Darkness, huh?
EDIT: And.. I lost it at the return of the "best" Sora. Like. Omg. That made it all worth it. Hearing "Vector of the Heavens" play. And seeing them reunited again. That was. Amazing.
They were in the worst game... But they were the best characters. #TeamNobody
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The Twilight Mexican
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That whole thing where time did/didn't rewind is my biggest gripe with the story. An unnecessary ugly mark on an otherwise good story and particularly awesome sequence.
Tashasaurous
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My issues with the game(other than Sora needing to be saved or his fate left ominous until either the DLC hopefully later this year*I doubt it* or KH4 which will be another few(hopefully maybe 2022 at the earliest and not another decade but not having much hope there either due to the FFVII Remake) years after this year) are these.
1: Sora in a pirate costume in The Caribbean. The world was great, but they could've left out the pirate costumes for the trio and just have them like they did in KH2.
2: No Cloud Strife or other Final Fantasy characters to meet which isn't that much but still...
3: Monster Inc World. Dull, boring, and not really much.
4: Buzz Lightyear being annoying due to his distrust in Sora's group despite the trio helping out, and maybe jealous that they came from real other worlds while he himself had his memories and head twisted due to the events of the first Toy Story film. Not to mention him being taken over by Darkness.
5: Changed of voice actors of Kairi, Hayner, Pence and Olette. They could've asked their original actors to reprise their roles. Xehanort's change of voice actors couldn't be avoided since both of his Japanese and English actors both died in 2015.
6: Demyx's fate left unknown and we don't even get to fight him. Maybe they'll fix that up another update or something(hopefully).
And finally, 7: Mickey's face in the scene where Sora decides to go alone to revive Kairi needs work. In that entire time he spoke, he was still smiling even though he was upset and didn't want Sora to disappear forever.
Oh, and I also must add on how Kairi was struck down in cold blood. That horrified me and I could feel Sora's sorrow and rage there...Not to mention that I still think Riku's new Keyblade looks like an over sized Car Key.
Now for the positive and likes of the game.
1: The story was good with some shocking scenes and mainly the heart warming and funny moments.
2: I thought the graphics were gorgeous in certain places like the Mysterious Tower despite no gameplay there and Twilight Town.
3: Destiny Islands was more beautiful than ever.
4: The snow in Arendalle was excellent in both gameplay and Cut scenes.
5: The Final World part was beautiful despite it being where the dead go to and not just the Underworld...which is also a good thing because I was worried that the Underworld was the only place in the KH universe were the dead go to.
6: Sora and Kairi sharing a Papou Fruit together that symbolized their connection together was sweet and adorable.
7: The part where the first Riku replica had planned on finding a replica body to ensure Namine's ressurrection and having the real Riku look after her in his place was very noble and while sad, as Repliku said, the world already has the real Riku and there was no need for two. Especially THREE Rikus in the game.
8: Yen Sid appearing out of nowhere and saving everyone else while using his magic to hold off the Heartless was awesome. When I first saw that happen, I was practically like, "....YEN SID!?" in shock, awe and disbelief. It's about time he played a role in the battles and not just sit back in his chair in his Tower.
9: Fighting along side Mickey more than just once or twice was awesome too! Wish he and Kairi were playable characters, though.
10: The moment where Lea/Axel, Roxas and Xion had their emotional reunion made me want to hug and cry with them as well. I loved that moment, and where both Lea and Roxas prevented Xion's second death just proved how close they are and Isa admitting he was jealous and began to redeem himself after realizing Lea never forgot about him. That moment was touching as well and I'm glad he's back as well.
11: Ventus being reunited with his Chirithy was so cute.
And finally, 12: I laughed hard when Donald's sand replica got ruined and he got buried by the upper half of it and Mickey tries to calm him down just like he would outside of the KH universe.
Those are my thoughts on KH3.
1: Sora in a pirate costume in The Caribbean. The world was great, but they could've left out the pirate costumes for the trio and just have them like they did in KH2.
2: No Cloud Strife or other Final Fantasy characters to meet which isn't that much but still...
3: Monster Inc World. Dull, boring, and not really much.
4: Buzz Lightyear being annoying due to his distrust in Sora's group despite the trio helping out, and maybe jealous that they came from real other worlds while he himself had his memories and head twisted due to the events of the first Toy Story film. Not to mention him being taken over by Darkness.
5: Changed of voice actors of Kairi, Hayner, Pence and Olette. They could've asked their original actors to reprise their roles. Xehanort's change of voice actors couldn't be avoided since both of his Japanese and English actors both died in 2015.
6: Demyx's fate left unknown and we don't even get to fight him. Maybe they'll fix that up another update or something(hopefully).
And finally, 7: Mickey's face in the scene where Sora decides to go alone to revive Kairi needs work. In that entire time he spoke, he was still smiling even though he was upset and didn't want Sora to disappear forever.
Oh, and I also must add on how Kairi was struck down in cold blood. That horrified me and I could feel Sora's sorrow and rage there...Not to mention that I still think Riku's new Keyblade looks like an over sized Car Key.
Now for the positive and likes of the game.
1: The story was good with some shocking scenes and mainly the heart warming and funny moments.
2: I thought the graphics were gorgeous in certain places like the Mysterious Tower despite no gameplay there and Twilight Town.
3: Destiny Islands was more beautiful than ever.
4: The snow in Arendalle was excellent in both gameplay and Cut scenes.
5: The Final World part was beautiful despite it being where the dead go to and not just the Underworld...which is also a good thing because I was worried that the Underworld was the only place in the KH universe were the dead go to.
6: Sora and Kairi sharing a Papou Fruit together that symbolized their connection together was sweet and adorable.
7: The part where the first Riku replica had planned on finding a replica body to ensure Namine's ressurrection and having the real Riku look after her in his place was very noble and while sad, as Repliku said, the world already has the real Riku and there was no need for two. Especially THREE Rikus in the game.
8: Yen Sid appearing out of nowhere and saving everyone else while using his magic to hold off the Heartless was awesome. When I first saw that happen, I was practically like, "....YEN SID!?" in shock, awe and disbelief. It's about time he played a role in the battles and not just sit back in his chair in his Tower.
9: Fighting along side Mickey more than just once or twice was awesome too! Wish he and Kairi were playable characters, though.
10: The moment where Lea/Axel, Roxas and Xion had their emotional reunion made me want to hug and cry with them as well. I loved that moment, and where both Lea and Roxas prevented Xion's second death just proved how close they are and Isa admitting he was jealous and began to redeem himself after realizing Lea never forgot about him. That moment was touching as well and I'm glad he's back as well.
11: Ventus being reunited with his Chirithy was so cute.
And finally, 12: I laughed hard when Donald's sand replica got ruined and he got buried by the upper half of it and Mickey tries to calm him down just like he would outside of the KH universe.
Those are my thoughts on KH3.
The Twilight Mexican
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Is Demyx's fate left unknown, though? We don't see him in the ending, but when last we see him, he has switched sides and is helping out with reviving Roxas.
He's probably just strumming his sitar somewhere.
I shared your horror at how suddenly and callously Kairi was murdered. It was unexpected and brutal. For a moment, I didn't think it had really been her.
I also knew she would be back, of course, but still.
On a related note, I wasn't bothered by Sora's disappearance at the end because it just seemed to fit thematically to me. Whenever I think of Sora+Kairi, I think of them in the first game's ending -- him promising to find his way back to her, and her reply, "I know you will."
For me, that's their defining moment.
Not that I don't want to see them together and happy like at the end of KH2 (God, did I love that ending), but I can't help but feel a certain sense of this being thematically appropriate -- always another journey, but they'll always make their way back home.
Regarding Riku's Keyblade: I thought the same thing. I can't decide if I like it or loathe it.
I do, however, love that whole play by Repliku to get Naminé back in a body of her own. That was super boss.
And the tenderness with which Riku takes her hand in the ending? That's another moment that got me. It got me feeling those serious shipper vibes, which is not something I've ever done much of where KH is concerned.
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I was thinking about the whole "Did time rewind thing?" some more, and it seems like it must have if for no other reason than Terra-Xehanort is alive again. Donald had vaporized his ass and straight-up killed him.
But then that, of course, leaves us with the confusing matter of why everyone seems to be aware that they failed the first time and had to be brought back -- right up until they start acting like they haven't already run into Terra-Xehanort a minute later.
And if time did inexplicably rewind, that also raises the question of why The Lingering Will showed up this time when he didn't before. I realize Sora's conversation with Naminé's star in The Final World is supposed to explain this, but in a scenario where time does a rewind, that doesn't make sense.
And it's still odd how The Lingering Will just up and disappears, never to be seen or mentioned again after the one really badass scene.
I was thoroughly pleased to see him show up for the battle in The Keyblade Graveyard, just as I had hoped he would (I was also hoping we would get to control him, alas), but then I was just confused when everyone treated it like it had never happened and the focus on Terra's residual will went to his Heartless/Ansem's Guardian instead. It almost feels like there's a scene missing here.
Was it supposed to be that Terra-Xehanort destroyed The Lingering Will, allowing Terra's thoughts and feelings to return to the Heartless?
Is Demyx's fate left unknown, though? We don't see him in the ending, but when last we see him, he has switched sides and is helping out with reviving Roxas.
He's probably just strumming his sitar somewhere.
I shared your horror at how suddenly and callously Kairi was murdered. It was unexpected and brutal. For a moment, I didn't think it had really been her.
I also knew she would be back, of course, but still.
On a related note, I wasn't bothered by Sora's disappearance at the end because it just seemed to fit thematically to me. Whenever I think of Sora+Kairi, I think of them in the first game's ending -- him promising to find his way back to her, and her reply, "I know you will."
For me, that's their defining moment.
Not that I don't want to see them together and happy like at the end of KH2 (God, did I love that ending), but I can't help but feel a certain sense of this being thematically appropriate -- always another journey, but they'll always make their way back home.
Regarding Riku's Keyblade: I thought the same thing.
I can't decide if I like it or loathe it.I do, however, love that whole play by Repliku to get Naminé back in a body of her own. That was super boss.
And the tenderness with which Riku takes her hand in the ending? That's another moment that got me. It got me feeling those serious shipper vibes, which is not something I've ever done much of where KH is concerned.
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I was thinking about the whole "Did time rewind thing?" some more, and it seems like it must have if for no other reason than Terra-Xehanort is alive again. Donald had vaporized his ass and straight-up killed him.
But then that, of course, leaves us with the confusing matter of why everyone seems to be aware that they failed the first time and had to be brought back -- right up until they start acting like they haven't already run into Terra-Xehanort a minute later.
And if time did inexplicably rewind, that also raises the question of why The Lingering Will showed up this time when he didn't before. I realize Sora's conversation with Naminé's star in The Final World is supposed to explain this, but in a scenario where time does a rewind, that doesn't make sense.
And it's still odd how The Lingering Will just up and disappears, never to be seen or mentioned again after the one really badass scene.
I was thoroughly pleased to see him show up for the battle in The Keyblade Graveyard, just as I had hoped he would (I was also hoping we would get to control him, alas), but then I was just confused when everyone treated it like it had never happened and the focus on Terra's residual will went to his Heartless/Ansem's Guardian instead. It almost feels like there's a scene missing here.
Was it supposed to be that Terra-Xehanort destroyed The Lingering Will, allowing Terra's thoughts and feelings to return to the Heartless?
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And so it ends.
That ending was touching. I can honestly say it was a good conclusion to the plot lines of the main characters. And Xehanort made for a badass final boss. Rutger Hauer deserves some major props filling in the shoes of the late Leonard Nemoy. His Xehanort voice wasn't as good but it was fucking impressive and fit. Like, I didn't think I'd like it as much at first but when I listened to him more and got into the story, it fit him well.
Sora going POOF at the end pretty much fulfilled what Young Xehanort said to him. His time was up.
...And can we just marvel at the irony that the young Xehanort was the truly the most evil of the trio of time displaced Xehanorts?
Xemnas had a moment of humanity at the end of his existence... Feeling the intense loneliness of having abandoned his friends and connections.
Xehanort's heartless felt the despair and emptiness of having surrendered to darkness and felt pangs of regret. He even wished Riku well and to always move forward and seek more.
But YOUNG XEHANORT gloated like a snot-nosed asshole and rubbed in that he would have the last laugh and Sora would vanish from foolishly overusing his power.
Which is rather hilarious when you think back to the younger Xehanort being so cute and seemingly charming with his friendship of Eraqus in the past.
I have to say, that while Sora is not anywhere up there in terms of favorite heroes or protagonists, I did admire how he was willing to go that far to save Kairi. For a walking base-sum of Shonen Protagonists, he was likeable enough and endearing. The twinge of emotion I felt at all his friends reuniting on Destiny Islands and him sadly going away was real.
The final climax and boss fights of the game were awesome. Fighting alongside everyone was wonderful.
That said, this game was.... Very easy. Like, a total cakewalk. And I was playing on Proud Mode. I unlocked the Secret Ending teaser movie and I only found 36 Lucky Emblems.
And I didn't even try.
The only part of the game that came close to giving me a modicum of difficulty was the Pirates World. The pirate ship battles were strangely difficult. I had to grind and get my ship up to level 8 to not get blasted to hell and back. But aside from that?
I just chose a full on magic build, powered up my 7-11 keyblade to max power, and just blasted most enemies with magic and won.
I never had to use a single meal.
I never had to worry about which keyblades to use.
Fire magic seems strangely more powerful than the other spells. Like, the tracking/homing of the spell along with its base damage is ridiculous. Also, the boost to spell you get with the ability just makes it a sick damage dealer. It's fast and has great tracking. Overall the game was fun but nowhere near as challenging as any of the other games.
Three major questions though.
What the hell happened to the neophytes of the Organization after their defeat?
What was the card Luxord gave Sora?
What the hell happened to that lame piece of shit Demyx?
Another important question is what happened to the Lingering Will, but I kinda have a theory on that.
The Lingering Will was Terra's displaced will and consciousness. It finally got to meet with Terra/Xehanort's body and heart, which was the Guardian. Terra-nort probably defeated it, but in reality that consciousness went inside the Guardian, finally allowing it to have some semblance of volition once more. Because once it finally awoke to seeing Aqua and Ven in distress, it said the same words as the Lingering Will did when it clashed with Xehanort. So yeah, I think it went back to Terra's heart and was the first step in allowing Terra to finally reclaim control of his body.
In the end, if I had to compare this game entry to another trilogy, I'd compare it to Star War's "Return of the Jedi." Both had stellar conclusions, questionable choices made during the middle, and a rather neat hook that was at the beginning. Which in turn led to it being a mixed bag that at least gave a satisfying and emotional conclusion. Is it the best entry in the trilogy?
No, I still think KH2 was the far better game in terms of content, story, and it gave a far better experience over all with all that it included, which I'd compare to The Empire Strikes Back
For one, the world choices in this game were just alright. Big Hero 6, Monsters Inc, and Toy Story were admittedly wonderful choices. They made use of those worlds for the story perfectly.
Pirates and Hercules were mediocre.
100 Acre Woods, Frozen and Tangled however just felt... Sorta there? Like, they didn't contribute much at all in terms of the overarching Kingdom Hearts storyline. They felt monotonous.
And then the game leaning in hard on the Union X convoluted plot threads... I already made my feelings clear on that. The game purposefully sprinkled unresolved plot threads and questions to serve as glaring sequel bait. To the detriment of the story, imo. We shouldn't have to wait for another entry, on a freemium mobile game no less, to have resolution and answers on how Larxene, Marluxia, Luxord, and Demyx play a part in the Keyblade War. This should have been cleared up here, in the game people waited years for. What was that ominous statement by Xemnas referring to? Who is this mysterious girl Saix and Axel were trying to rescue? Who the fuck was the girl Ansem the Wise was experimenting on?
What the fuck is in the black box?
It wouldn't be so bad if KH3 didn't lean in on such a bad game with bland, unlikeable characters. The original Foretellers are not unique, chrasmatic or interesting at all. The only one who comes close is Streletzia who was murdered.
Things could have at least been wrapped up neatly for the ending of this trilogy. It was their chance to wipe the slate clean for a fresh new plot or adventure. And yeah, I had hoped for a far more simple and clean plot that would have been focused on the conclusion of the Xehanort saga and crossing over FF and Disney too.
Instead, they laid on the Union X, time traveling, body hoping convoluted dangling plot threads thick.
At this point, I'm rather ambivalent about the series going forward.
.....
....However, I'd be lying if I said that secret teaser movie I just watched didn't manage to tease me a little, goddamnit.
Because... Given what we saw and know happened to Sora in the end, it looks like he's in some sort of Reaper's Game from "The World Ends With You."
If this is what Neku meant when he said he'd see Sora again....That'd be so fucking sick and twisted. If this teaser, along with the inclusion of Yuzora is a hint at Nomura FINALLY giving in and crossing Sora over more with S-E's IPs... I can't help but be intrigued.
But who knows at this point. I'll keep my hopes and dreams tempered this time.
In the end, I'm glad it's over. It was a fun, wild ride.
That ending was touching. I can honestly say it was a good conclusion to the plot lines of the main characters. And Xehanort made for a badass final boss. Rutger Hauer deserves some major props filling in the shoes of the late Leonard Nemoy. His Xehanort voice wasn't as good but it was fucking impressive and fit. Like, I didn't think I'd like it as much at first but when I listened to him more and got into the story, it fit him well.
Sora going POOF at the end pretty much fulfilled what Young Xehanort said to him. His time was up.
...And can we just marvel at the irony that the young Xehanort was the truly the most evil of the trio of time displaced Xehanorts?
Xemnas had a moment of humanity at the end of his existence... Feeling the intense loneliness of having abandoned his friends and connections.
Xehanort's heartless felt the despair and emptiness of having surrendered to darkness and felt pangs of regret. He even wished Riku well and to always move forward and seek more.
But YOUNG XEHANORT gloated like a snot-nosed asshole and rubbed in that he would have the last laugh and Sora would vanish from foolishly overusing his power.
Which is rather hilarious when you think back to the younger Xehanort being so cute and seemingly charming with his friendship of Eraqus in the past.
I have to say, that while Sora is not anywhere up there in terms of favorite heroes or protagonists, I did admire how he was willing to go that far to save Kairi. For a walking base-sum of Shonen Protagonists, he was likeable enough and endearing. The twinge of emotion I felt at all his friends reuniting on Destiny Islands and him sadly going away was real.
The final climax and boss fights of the game were awesome. Fighting alongside everyone was wonderful.
That said, this game was.... Very easy. Like, a total cakewalk. And I was playing on Proud Mode. I unlocked the Secret Ending teaser movie and I only found 36 Lucky Emblems.
And I didn't even try.
The only part of the game that came close to giving me a modicum of difficulty was the Pirates World. The pirate ship battles were strangely difficult. I had to grind and get my ship up to level 8 to not get blasted to hell and back. But aside from that?
I just chose a full on magic build, powered up my 7-11 keyblade to max power, and just blasted most enemies with magic and won.
I never had to use a single meal.
I never had to worry about which keyblades to use.
Fire magic seems strangely more powerful than the other spells. Like, the tracking/homing of the spell along with its base damage is ridiculous. Also, the boost to spell you get with the ability just makes it a sick damage dealer. It's fast and has great tracking. Overall the game was fun but nowhere near as challenging as any of the other games.
Three major questions though.
What the hell happened to the neophytes of the Organization after their defeat?
What was the card Luxord gave Sora?
What the hell happened to that lame piece of shit Demyx?
Another important question is what happened to the Lingering Will, but I kinda have a theory on that.
The Lingering Will was Terra's displaced will and consciousness. It finally got to meet with Terra/Xehanort's body and heart, which was the Guardian. Terra-nort probably defeated it, but in reality that consciousness went inside the Guardian, finally allowing it to have some semblance of volition once more. Because once it finally awoke to seeing Aqua and Ven in distress, it said the same words as the Lingering Will did when it clashed with Xehanort. So yeah, I think it went back to Terra's heart and was the first step in allowing Terra to finally reclaim control of his body.
In the end, if I had to compare this game entry to another trilogy, I'd compare it to Star War's "Return of the Jedi." Both had stellar conclusions, questionable choices made during the middle, and a rather neat hook that was at the beginning. Which in turn led to it being a mixed bag that at least gave a satisfying and emotional conclusion. Is it the best entry in the trilogy?
No, I still think KH2 was the far better game in terms of content, story, and it gave a far better experience over all with all that it included, which I'd compare to The Empire Strikes Back
For one, the world choices in this game were just alright. Big Hero 6, Monsters Inc, and Toy Story were admittedly wonderful choices. They made use of those worlds for the story perfectly.
Pirates and Hercules were mediocre.
100 Acre Woods, Frozen and Tangled however just felt... Sorta there? Like, they didn't contribute much at all in terms of the overarching Kingdom Hearts storyline. They felt monotonous.
And then the game leaning in hard on the Union X convoluted plot threads... I already made my feelings clear on that. The game purposefully sprinkled unresolved plot threads and questions to serve as glaring sequel bait. To the detriment of the story, imo. We shouldn't have to wait for another entry, on a freemium mobile game no less, to have resolution and answers on how Larxene, Marluxia, Luxord, and Demyx play a part in the Keyblade War. This should have been cleared up here, in the game people waited years for. What was that ominous statement by Xemnas referring to? Who is this mysterious girl Saix and Axel were trying to rescue? Who the fuck was the girl Ansem the Wise was experimenting on?
What the fuck is in the black box?
It wouldn't be so bad if KH3 didn't lean in on such a bad game with bland, unlikeable characters. The original Foretellers are not unique, chrasmatic or interesting at all. The only one who comes close is Streletzia who was murdered.
Things could have at least been wrapped up neatly for the ending of this trilogy. It was their chance to wipe the slate clean for a fresh new plot or adventure. And yeah, I had hoped for a far more simple and clean plot that would have been focused on the conclusion of the Xehanort saga and crossing over FF and Disney too.
Instead, they laid on the Union X, time traveling, body hoping convoluted dangling plot threads thick.
At this point, I'm rather ambivalent about the series going forward.
.....
....However, I'd be lying if I said that secret teaser movie I just watched didn't manage to tease me a little, goddamnit.
Because... Given what we saw and know happened to Sora in the end, it looks like he's in some sort of Reaper's Game from "The World Ends With You."
If this is what Neku meant when he said he'd see Sora again....That'd be so fucking sick and twisted. If this teaser, along with the inclusion of Yuzora is a hint at Nomura FINALLY giving in and crossing Sora over more with S-E's IPs... I can't help but be intrigued.
But who knows at this point. I'll keep my hopes and dreams tempered this time.
In the end, I'm glad it's over. It was a fun, wild ride.
Lulcielid
Eyes of the Lord
- AKA
- Lulcy
Came a bit later but it's here. I wont be able to play until next friday due to work and studying form exams.
Dashell
SMILE!
- AKA
- Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Oooohhh... Them's fightin words.What the hell happened to that lame piece of shit Demyx?
Joe
I KEEP MY IDEALS
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- Joe, Arcana
Finished it. Sorta taking it all in right now but I love everything
There was so much emotional payoff in this game and that's really more than I could ever ask for. Even if the plot was kinda daft at points (this is kingdom hearts come on it's par for course) it didn't matter. I loved every moment from arriving at the keyblade graveyard it was a slew of feels and emotional conclusions. Every character felt real and fuck I even empathise with the likes of Xemnas, Ansem and Vanitas for christ sake.
In conclusion I love it and I'll never forget that entire sequence with Axel, Saix, Roxas, Xion and Xemnas <3
There was so much emotional payoff in this game and that's really more than I could ever ask for. Even if the plot was kinda daft at points (this is kingdom hearts come on it's par for course) it didn't matter. I loved every moment from arriving at the keyblade graveyard it was a slew of feels and emotional conclusions. Every character felt real and fuck I even empathise with the likes of Xemnas, Ansem and Vanitas for christ sake.
In conclusion I love it and I'll never forget that entire sequence with Axel, Saix, Roxas, Xion and Xemnas <3
looneymoon
they/them
- AKA
- Rishi
am I being just being a drunk and old person when I say that the only way to enjoy the KH series is to hold on to the same conceit that was only possible to have in a world that worships YouTube/Let's Play celebs? But even then I feel like it's test because in still like wtf.
I mean, I think that's *fine* because I think the biggest part of the fandom came in during KH1, which was sooooo long ago. Also when I first started with the series. But... fuck, the convuluted, multi-platform medium makes me wonder how the fuck y'all do it? I was confused during KH2 because I was young and unable to afford a gameboy advance to full in the plot that happened between those gq'es. In fact, I will positn'uself as tv OGKHXRE:BAMBOOZLEDRECODED/420MEMORIES
I bought the first KH as someone counting down the release date. It was the first time my favourite final fantasy character (Cloud) had a voice, and I have always loved Disney.... but now, having tangentially paid attention to 13 game I have to honestly ask... HOW? WHY? There are so many other things that have come after KH that have actually delivered with way better writing and pay off to her 13 years. Ones that don't require purchasing all these gaming consoles. What about the IP actuary keeps you hooked other than whatever the Disney/FF aesthetic offers? Just... what?
Not to be a total dick but the this narrative is not... good. I've read the spoilers, I've watched a everything I can to keep up with the plot
.. but I still can't wrap my head around why the fuck KH3 is such a hype release. The Disney worlds feel streamlined and holox conflated to their origins' releases. The FF characters are. longer present. The narrative surrounding the original characters is just.... so self indulgent and CRINGY.
I don't give a shit about the Marvel cinematic universe, but I still enjoyed Infinity War well enough. I also understand why others would have a 'ore e' optional response to it than it did. But... what the fuck. Kingdom Hearts has gone on for longer than ebay shit. But the way that series has approached story telling is a joke.
Anyszqys bancthe fuck outta me, Sora is dead and really fucking hope they just keep him there with Bambi's mom.
I mean, I think that's *fine* because I think the biggest part of the fandom came in during KH1, which was sooooo long ago. Also when I first started with the series. But... fuck, the convuluted, multi-platform medium makes me wonder how the fuck y'all do it? I was confused during KH2 because I was young and unable to afford a gameboy advance to full in the plot that happened between those gq'es. In fact, I will positn'uself as tv OGKHXRE:BAMBOOZLEDRECODED/420MEMORIES
I bought the first KH as someone counting down the release date. It was the first time my favourite final fantasy character (Cloud) had a voice, and I have always loved Disney.... but now, having tangentially paid attention to 13 game I have to honestly ask... HOW? WHY? There are so many other things that have come after KH that have actually delivered with way better writing and pay off to her 13 years. Ones that don't require purchasing all these gaming consoles. What about the IP actuary keeps you hooked other than whatever the Disney/FF aesthetic offers? Just... what?
Not to be a total dick but the this narrative is not... good. I've read the spoilers, I've watched a everything I can to keep up with the plot
.. but I still can't wrap my head around why the fuck KH3 is such a hype release. The Disney worlds feel streamlined and holox conflated to their origins' releases. The FF characters are. longer present. The narrative surrounding the original characters is just.... so self indulgent and CRINGY.
I don't give a shit about the Marvel cinematic universe, but I still enjoyed Infinity War well enough. I also understand why others would have a 'ore e' optional response to it than it did. But... what the fuck. Kingdom Hearts has gone on for longer than ebay shit. But the way that series has approached story telling is a joke.
Anyszqys bancthe fuck outta me, Sora is dead and really fucking hope they just keep him there with Bambi's mom.
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Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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- Smooth Criminal
It's called "fandom investment." It gets to the point to where you get so invested in seeing the actual pay off and conclusion of the series that you just stick around no matter how backwards it gets
I mean, that's my situation perfectly. And there have been A LOT of actual things I can say I've enjoyed way more than KH3 here. On a scale of 1 to 100, the KH3 ending and pay off after it all kinda registers as like an 82...? KH2 meanwhile was like a 95 and KH1 was like 98. So there's been a deprecation over all but I did enjoy the pay off and conclusion of at least seeing what happened to the BBS trio and the Nobody trio and of course, Sora, Riku and Kairi.
But I make no illusions of this being overwhelmingly satisfying. I can't say I was in this for the Disney/FF crossover anymore since that kinda got booted after Birth by Sleep
I just wanted to see the conclusion. I liked the unique characters introduced, and if there's one thing KH was good at, it was getting me to care about all the other characters here.
Like the Big Hero 6 world is a perfect example. It was doing so well, so fucking well telling an interesting remix with the Dark Baymax and then it just totally swerves away from having it go in an actual GOOD direction of the story and just does the most stupid, shallow happy ending. The guy gets 2 Baymaxes. What the fuck? That's dumb.
The story is just, hit and a miss. Which is why I find it so fucking bizarre that it's now trying to lean in hard on the Foretellers from KH X... Like, who the fuck cares about the big dumb unicorn dude? They're no Organization XIII. They're masked morons.
The overarching narrative for the main plot of the series is absolutely a convoluted mess that I cannot imagine a person not already invested in the game series from KH1 on could wrap their head around happily. I agree. The character relationships and dynamics are typical JRPG stuff which is cool if you're into it. But the narrative is nuts. But I found the Nobody trio of Axel, Roxas and Xion to be really endearing and despite 358/2 being like... A really tedious slog of a game, the story was very endearing for what it was. BBS is like, my guilty pleasure. That's the best way to describe it
KH1 and KH2 are pretty much the high points of the franchise. Oh, and CoM cause I like card games, deck building and it was a very unique concept of a game.
Hey, we may finally get Sora playing a Reapers' Game with Neku now.
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Dashell
SMILE!
- AKA
- Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
So question. When Vexen and Demyx are talking and Vexen says, "He wants to atone but he's one of the chosen."... who is he talking about? Was it ever made clear. I assumed Xigbar but I think it might have been Saix as well.
Xigbar would make sense since he's had such a long journey. He wouldn't want Xehanort to succeed. But at the same time all they did was bring back Roxas so... maybe it's Saix and he's trying to make things up to Axel?
Any thoughts?
Xigbar would make sense since he's had such a long journey. He wouldn't want Xehanort to succeed. But at the same time all they did was bring back Roxas so... maybe it's Saix and he's trying to make things up to Axel?
Any thoughts?
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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- Smooth Criminal
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's Xigbar too. I think it's him since they said it was someone who was high ranking and Xigbar is the Number 2 of the group.
At the very least, Xigbar being Luxu means we'll get more of his amusing character, hopefully. I gotta say, Xigbar's voice actor really got better the more he preformed in the series.
At the very least, Xigbar being Luxu means we'll get more of his amusing character, hopefully. I gotta say, Xigbar's voice actor really got better the more he preformed in the series.
The Twilight Mexican
Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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- TresDias
I remember thinking it was pretty clearly Saix. I don't see Xigbar wanting to atone for shit. As if!