The Dark Knight Rises

[Sheva Alomar]

What Masamune said times one hundred.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Best not to judge too early. I remember people saying Heath Ledger's Joker looked like a tramp, and look how that turned out.

Btw, am I the only one who avoids these on-set movies?

Hey, In Nolan I Trust
But yeah, same thing happened when he cast Heath and when people saw the new Batsuit.

I try to avoid them...

 

[Ghost X]

Yes, if its one thing I disilke about the internet, its seeing a lot of amateur footage from films whilst they're being made.

 

[Max Payne]

Best not to judge too early. I remember people saying Heath Ledger's Joker looked like a tramp, and look how that turned out.

Btw, am I the only one who avoids these on-set movies?

It's best for you fucking chumps to stop making these ridiculous comparisons to Heath's Joker.

I LIKED his costume. The Joker is SUPPOSED to look trampy. The costumes in this film look like shit. We've seen them, how they look statically and in action.

They look like shit. What more is there to judge? No one is saying the movie will be bad or anything, the costumes just look completely unimpressive.

Fucksake. I'm also almost 100% sure that's not her final costume. It's like in Year One when she ran around in plain old leather before she made a costume.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

EDIT: Doesn't look like very distinctive. Nothing cat-like about it.

Considering the crew walking around her and the nonchalantness of it, I don't think that was a part of the character, maybe she was just walking around the set after a take.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Bats looks fine, dunno what you're talking about.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

The idea that this is just what she wears before she gets her official outfit reminded me of something, that Bruce did the same thing in the first film. Then it hit me - we know Liam Neeson is returning as Ra's Al Ghul, presumably in flashbacks, and his daughter or whatever is in it...perhaps Selina Kyle is another member of the League of Shadows?

 

[Max Payne]

The idea that this is just what she wears before she gets her official outfit reminded me of something, that Bruce did the same thing in the first film.

Yeah, no shit, all of that is from Batman: Year One.

.perhaps Selina Kyle is another member of the League of Shadows?

No.

 

[Masamune]

It's best for you fucking chumps to stop making these ridiculous comparisons to Heath's Joker.

I LIKED his costume. The Joker is SUPPOSED to look trampy. The costumes in this film look like shit. We've seen them, how they look statically and in action.
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Eh. In the comics, the Joker has clean make-up, slick hair and a dapper outfit. Ledger's had the messy face powder, mouth scars, greasy, unkempt hair and a suit picked from a thrift shop. Ledger's Joker broke the convention, which is why it invoked a lot of controversy.

I'm just saying, Nolan has earned the benefit of the doubt, so far. I have some reservations too, but I'll wait and see how it all turns out.

 

[Max Payne]

Eh. In the comics, the Joker has clean make-up, slick hair and a dapper outfit. Ledger's had the messy face powder, mouth scars, greasy, unkempt hair and a suit picked from a thrift shop.

....No.

Spoiler

He doesn't wear makeup, his skin is fucking bleached with acid, and it's almost always depicted him as being hideously deformed. His suit in the comics is no better than his in the film. In fact the one in the film probably looks better, since he spent goo gobs of mobster money on it, he didn't "pick it up from a thrift shop".

Spoiler

that is a nice fucking suit.

The long hair isn't really breaking the mold either, the only real change is the scars instead of the comics bizarre facial deformations. Ledger's appearance was fine, he looked like the Joker.

Ledger's Joker broke the convention, which is why it invoked a lot of controversy.

Bwhahahahah bullshit. Ledger's Joker invoked controversy because it was Heath Ledger, and people whined about his past films, especially Brokeback Mountain.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I was gonna say all of that ^ but decided to let Dacon do it. He is the dude formerly known as "I AM Batman" and all.

As an extra, the appearance Ledger's joker used was not a mold breaker for one additional reason: It had been done before. The graphic novel Joker (I believe that was the nice simple title they used) ALSO had Mr. J appear with a set of scars in a Glasgow Smile, with facepaint instead of the usual perma-chalk skin and such. The Joker from TDK was visually based largely on this depiction, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Max Payne]

I never could tell if the Joker in the GN "Joker" had scars or not tbh.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Can't get a pic loaded to show it off, but they always looked like scars to me (though looking again I admit it COULD be just his face maintaining that grin all the time). Either way, in the color pics his face is clearly covered in poorly applied makeup as opposed to being dyed and bleached by acid-bath.

 

[Max Payne]

Welp, I only ever read Joker in a bookstore, and I had to do it a little quicker than usual so I wasn't able to appreciate Lee Bermejo's absolutely beautiful art.

Probably find some scans.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I recommend it. Some of the best drawn art ever, and the story was worth the ride. Freaky seeing someone make Mr. J even more screwed up than normal.

But either way I gotta agree with Dac here on the point that kicked off this discussion.

 

[Masamune]

....No.

Spoiler

Big deal. I'm sure you could pull out a few pictures like that, since there's been many interpretations of the Joker by various artists. But ever since the character debuted, he has accepted appearance is much closer to

Spoiler: this

than it is to

Spoiler: this

.

He doesn't wear makeup, his skin is fucking bleached with acid, and it's almost always depicted him as being hideously deformed.

Whatevs. The point stands that his face is pure white in the comics, but the movie went for a shabby paint job. If anything, you're just proving what a deviation it was from the original concept.

His suit in the comics is no better than his in the film. In fact the one in the film probably looks better, since he spent goo gobs of mobster money on it, he didn't "pick it up from a thrift shop".

Looks pretty cheap to me, especially when you consider how it could have looked in the early designs. They even call it a "cheap purple suit" in the movie. He's just dicking with 'em with that retort.

The long hair isn't really breaking the mold either, the only real change is the scars instead of the comics bizarre facial deformations. Ledger's appearance was fine, he looked like the Joker.

I never said long hair, I said "greasy and unkempt". In most incarnations, the Joker has slick, thick hair, not all thin and skanky like.

And personally, I loved what TDK did with the Joker, but that doesn't deny the fact that many people had doubts and had to be won over with the finished article.

Bwhahahahah bullshit. Ledger's Joker invoked controversy because it was Heath Ledger, and people whined about his past films, especially Brokeback Mountain.

There was plenty controversy surrounding TDK's Joker in general, both with the casting of Ledger and the unconventional character design.

 

[Max Payne]

Big deal. I'm sure you could pull out a few pictures like that, since there's been many interpretations of the Joker by various artists. But ever since the character debuted, he has accepted appearance is much closer to

Spoiler: this

than it is to

Spoiler: this

.

And they look sooooooo different from each other rite?

since there's been many interpretations of the Joker by various artists

Not to mention this sentence renders your point completely moot. There is no one singularly consistent design of the joker. He just has the recurring theme of white skin/makeup, green hair, big red lips and a purple suit.

Whatevs. The point stands that his face is pure white in the comics, but the movie went for a shabby paint job. If anything, you're just proving what a deviation it was from the original concept.

Actually his face wavers between crumbly patchwork skin to the plain bleached appearance, due to one being easier to depict than the other in a limited medium like comics.

He looks like the fucking joker. Anyone that argues they look that different is full of shit.

Then theres the fact that Brian Azzerello did a lot this shit with the Joker BEFORE TDK did, despite the book failing to release before the film.

He was surprised that his Joker looked so much like the one in the film.

Looks pretty cheap to me, especially when you consider how it could have looked in the early designs. They even call it a "cheap purple suit" in the movie. He's just dicking with 'em with that retort.

They were just dicking him with that comment. It is obviously a very nice purple suit/green vest, that would definitely not be cheap in real life.

I never said long hair, I said "greasy and unkempt". In most incarnations, the Joker has slick, thick hair, not all thin and skanky like.

It doesn't matter if you said long or not. He has had long unkempt hair in the comics before. The fact that he doesn't always look like that, means little.

There was plenty controversy surrounding TDK's Joker in general, both with the casting of Ledger and the unconventional character design.

Yeah, there was a lot of controversy over the fact that it was Heath Ledger, and many of the complaints about his appearance stemmed back to that. Almost all of the naysayers were cockblocked when the final costume was shown, save the most stupid.

Using that as a defense of this awful production photos is incredibly weak.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The graphic novel Joker (I believe that was the nice simple title they used) ALSO had Mr. J appear with a set of scars in a Glasgow Smile, with facepaint instead of the usual perma-chalk skin and such. The Joker from TDK was visually based largely on this depiction, if I'm not mistaken.

It's actually the other way around. The film was released first, the graphic novel was released later that year.

 

[Max Payne]

I said that in my post HIGHWAY

 

[Geostigma]

lol'd.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Spoiler

Batwing pwnz city property.

X

 

[Max Payne]

I lol'd at everyone still whining about realism.

LOL that thing looks like one of the aircraft from Killzone 3 or Crysis.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

No.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Max Payne]

There's almost zero chance of her being involved with the League.

We got Bane and Talia on that side. Kyle will most likely play the role of playful adversary/unlikely ally during the absolute chaos Bane unleashes on Gotham.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Agreed on the role she'll play, but that doesn't rule out the idea she's with the league, or a former member. It would also work with how they seem to like portraying villains as counterparts to Batman in various ways.