The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[Vendel]

So on a page of when the protagonists realize they loved each other, Cloud and Tifa is the one exception... of course.

And don't forget Aerith's picture. THAT means something.

Because she's Tifa

Yeah but we all know there is nothing special about Tifa. Only Aerith. Only Aerith.......

 

[OneWingedDemon]

THAT means something.

That something being "more pplz, like this pink chick here, can go on a date with Cloud, but that means diddly squat" according to SE. But what do they know?

So on a page of when the protagonists realize they loved each other, Cloud and Tifa is the one exception... of course.

Cloud and Tifa being the exception to every rule is pretty much the only way C/A can see the light of day.

Apparently, a man and a woman who confess their matching feelings to each other and spend a night under the stars can now shack it up and raise children together in the name of their awesome friendship.

Before, these people were so threatened by the idea of Cloud and Tifa raising kids together that they considered rival orphanages as a perfectly valid explanation for that little info, pre-movie, that stated C+T raised kids together.

Of course Cloud and Tifa are the exception to the implications of such an arrangement.

 

[Shadowfox]

But he could hear Tifa O_o

She probably bullied him into it.

Nope, it said that their feelings matched, but that was pretty ambiguous if you ask me.

I see someone didn't read the page title.

 

[Dashell]

Before, these people were so threatened by the idea of Cloud and Tifa raising kids together that they considered rival orphanages as a perfectly valid explanation for that little info, pre-movie, that stated C+T raised kids together.

Didn't this come from the line "So I hear you're living with orphans" in one of the trailers.

 

[Vendel]

Cloud and Tifa being the exception to every rule is pretty much the only way C/A can see the light of day.

And a healthy dose of inventing new rules. "If it involves Aerith and Cloud in any way it's romantic".

Before, these people were so threatened by the idea of Cloud and Tifa raising kids together that they considered rival orphanages as a perfectly valid explanation for that little info, pre-movie, that stated C+T raised kids together.

Now that is hall of fame material.

We need a flow chart of every horribly wrong idea the pinkers have had over the years and see how they morph their position without blinking an eye.

-Cloud never lived with Tifa
-Cloud might have lived there for a short time
-Cloud used to live there but he spends most of his time in the church
-Cloud lived with Tifa for awhile but he spent a lot of time away from home. looking for Aerith.
-Cloud 'lives' there but only for meals and sleep. Spending his days in flower fields.

And as a follow up.
-Cloud would never live with Tifa after AC
-Cloud might have gone back to 7Th heaven but he is gone by the time DoC rolls around.
-Cloud 'lives' there but only for meals and sleep. Spending his days in flower fields.

(I'm sure I missed a few. Feel free to add you own)

Didn't this come from the line "So I hear you're living with orphans" in one of the trailers.

Does it really matter where it came from?

I have seen some of the archives. And yes they did seriously consider that Cloud and Tifa were raising children separately. Tifa in 7th Heaven and Cloud in the church of all places.

 

[Dashell]

We need a flow chart of every horribly wrong idea the pinkers have had over the years and see how they morph their position without blinking an eye.

It's funny because they just did this on all the things Clotis were wrong about over the years

Of course some of them were like "Clotis claimed Cloud wasn't in Aerith's heart and but it was proven that she was." and "Clotis claimed that Cloud wasn't upset over Aerith's death..." and I sincerely hope that anyone who was debating seriously wouldn't bring that up.

But yeah okay, let's do one too. They got up to 15, I have a feeling if Ryu sees this we'll end up in the 30s

I shall start.

1. Cleriths used to claim that the high affection version of the Highwind scene wasn't romantic and the feelings shared could have been anything. But it was proven to be feelings of romantic love by "For the one that I love" and "Feelings of desire."

2. Cleriths used to claim that Cloud and Tifa wouldn't love together, but they are living together post FFVII and haven't moved away from each other since.

 

[kidsedta]

I am totally agree with you Quexinos oppinion.

 

[Vendel]

It's funny because they just did this on all the things Clotis were wrong about over the years

I'm sure it's about as accurate as FFG's (totally kidding) Cloti perspective post.

 

[Tennyo]

Cleriths are wrong about romping in the flower fields, SINCE IT NEVER HAPPENED. lol

 

[Madame Mayor]

How about the fish of love? Or is that still used as evidence?

 

[Vendel]

How about the fish of love? Or is that still used as evidence?

Didn't they say it was a carp or somethign like that? Then someone pointed out it looks like a clownfish....heh

 

[Dashell]

Alright let's put some with what Vendel said earlier. I'll put "used to" in parenthesis because some of this still gets argued.

1. Cleriths (used to) claim that the high affection version of the Highwind scene wasn't romantic and the feelings shared could have been anything. But it was proven to be feelings of romantic love by "For the one that I love" and "Feelings of desire."

2. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cloud and Tifa wouldn't live together, but they are living together post FFVII and haven't moved away from each other since.

3. Cleriths (used to) claim Cloud wasn't happy with Tifa. This was disproved by 3 quotes that said he was happy with her and the kids.

4. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cait Sith's prediction was accurate. This was proven to be wrong by many sources saying his predictions were dubious, unreliable and nonsense. (Though this one might not be completely fair, there is SOME conflicting evidence about this)

5. Cleriths (used to) claim the koi Cloud saw on the way to see Aerith in the Forgotten City proved their love symbolically. This was proven false because it's not a koi

6. Cleriths (used to) claim that the ribbon Aerith wore in FFVII was different from the one Zack gave her which proved she was ready to move on. This was proven wrong by the Crisis Core keywords collection.

7. Cleriths (used to) claim that Aerith wore pink because she liked it. This was disproved by, once again, the Crisis Core keywords collection.

8. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cloud was himself on Disc 1 of the game. This was disproved with quotes that say he had created a new persona, and even though some of the original Cloud was there, he wasn't completely himself.

9. Cleriths (used to) claim that everyone in Japanese thought CxA were the intended couple. Obviously this is no longer true or perhaps was never true to begin with.

10. Cleriths (used to) claim that the relationship charts in the Ultimanias were proof that Cloud and Tifa weren't in a relationship. This was proven false by the many inaccuracies in the relationship charts such as Wakka and Lulu being listed as childhood friends and nothing more.

11. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cloud left Tifa and the kids because he was unhappy and missed Aerith. This was disproved by the many times we've been told it by the creators and HIM SELF that it was because he contacted Geostigma.

12. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cloud was the only one who could communicate with Aerith after her death. This was proven wrong in AC/C when she called the inhabitants of Midgar, including the adults.

13. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cloud being able to see Aerith was because her consciousness lived inside of him and this was special only to her and him. Again, proven wrong in ACC when he saw Zack (And okay maybe I'm taking some liberties with this one XD)

14. Cleriths (used to) claim Barret was in Cloud's family. This was disproved by the at least 3 quotes that say Cloud's family consists of Tifa, Marlene, Denzel and himself. And yes Marlene is Barret's adopted child but this does NOT automatically put him in Cloud's family

15. Cleriths (used to) claim, before AC actually came out that the line "I said I'd live out both our lives, easy to make that promise." was about Aerith. Disproved with AC, because it was about Zack.

16. Cleriths (used to) claim that Cloud only wanted forgiveness from Aerith. This was disproved by the Dissidia Ultimania (and other quotes I think) saying he wanted forgiveness from Zack as well.

17. Cleriths (used to) claim that Nojima saying "I don't intend to go into my views about love, marriage and family." was him saying he didn't want to get involved in the LTD. This is disproved by the fact that the question that preceded this answer was "Are CoB and CoT redemption stories." So he was not even prompted to talk about Cloud's love life and he did. Obviously Nojima has no trouble talking about it.

18. Cleriths (used to) claim Cloud was looking for Aerith in Kingdom Hearts. This was proven wrong by Kingdom Hearts Final Mix when it turned out he was looking for Sephiroth.

19. Cleriths (used to) claim that Aerith was Cloud's light. This was disproved by quote from Nomura (or was it Nojima?) that said "If Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness, Tifa is light." and obviously the fact that the creators wouldn't put Tifa in the story to just run around and fumble about looking for Cloud annoying him. AND Aerith even says Cloud will find his light. If she's his light, wouldn't she say "Hey you found me stupid" or something?

20. Cleriths (used to) claim that the promise Cloud made to Tifa isn't important to him. Despite Tifa strong arming him into it, this was disproved by the promise being engraved in his memories and by the fact that it's one of the three memories that make up the core of his inner being in the lifestream event.


okay phew, anyone else?

 

[ShuShu]

okay phew, anyone else?

I love it how you had all the free time to do all that. Awesome.

 

[Dashell]

Why you gotta turn it into something about how I have no life

 

[Ryushikaze]

Didn't this come from the line "So I hear you're living with orphans" in one of the trailers.

It did. But they took this quote, and information that Tifa was also taking care of orphans- which the speculation took to mean as running an orphanage (Incidentally, THAT they run one still comes up every now and then...)- to mean they must be running DIFFERENT ORPHANAGES. Because there's no way Cloud and Tifa would be together post game.

Incidentally, Quex, C/P the list of shit that the C/T side supposedly got 'wrong' and I'll see if I can break down a list of what arguments they were misunderstanding.
Because FUCK DAMN was there misunderstanding over the years.

Also, Crazy ass shit. Thuggish Tifa, Lifestream families... Cloud being like 'Akira', good times.

Also, the Mako paratism theory is shot through by many more things than just talking with Zach.

 

[ShuShu]

Why you gotta turn it into something about how I have no life

Tough love. It's still awesome though.

 

[Dashell]

Incidentally, Quex, C/P the list of shit that the C/T side supposedly got 'wrong' and I'll see if I can break down a list of what arguments they were misunderstanding.

It's the same stuff we've talked about before. "Cait Siths' predictions ARE accurate." "Cloud was himself on Disc 1" "Cloud's Promised Land is with Aerith/her church." "The promise isn't important to Cloud."

All that stuff. I don't really wanna C/P it but it's in the "Past Debates" or w/e topic if you wanna see for yourself.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Sooooo...we're making a list of the bullshit arguments now? Is this so we can have them in neat, stacking domino order to knock them down ? Or simple point and laugh amusement?

Also, Hi, everyone! **hugs thread & licks Ryu**

 

[Zee]

1. Have your couple become officially canon after years of debating
2. Have the opposing side all but flock to their one corner of the internets, rarely heard from
3. Continue to bring up their arguments and make giant lists about how wrong they all are, even though you've pretty much got your wish and they've pretty much all thrown in the towel
4. Keep a blog dedicated to them and their forums
5. You are now a giant faggot
6. ???
7. PROFIT

 

[Ryushikaze]

I would not say 'rarely heard from,' especially not during the time the blog to which you refer was remotely active. Nor would I really call Youtube 'their one corner of the internets' as they say a lot of shit on there.

And Quex, if I felt like going to pink hell, I would not have asked for a C/P of the page.

::Is licked::

 

[Zee]

> Youtube 'their one corner of the internets' as they say a lot of shit on there
> Youtube 'their one corner of the internets'
> Youtube

 

[Ryushikaze]

> Youtube 'their one corner of the internets' as they say a lot of shit on there
> Youtube 'their one corner of the internets'
> Youtube

Belay that facepalm, Zee. MY POINT in bringing it up is really to point out that they AREN'T keeping to 'their one corner of the internets,' and are, in fact, Youtarding it up.

 

[Zee]

And you should probably realize that when you have to resort to youtube just to get your fandom wank fix, you've sunk too low.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Is 'Youtarding' a word? If not, it should be...

Also, you know us rabid Cloti's, Zee. "Pretty much" ain't gonna cover it. We want unconditional, every single pinker, surrender! [insert crazy ass evil laugh here]

 

[Fairheartstrife]

And you should probably realize that when you have to resort to youtube just to get your fandom wank fix, you've sunk too low.

I'd think the argument would be: When you have to resort to Youtube to defend your ship/fanwank/make your arguments there, then yeah, you've sunk pretty low.

Referring to those that do it, and mocking them...that's just fun.