The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[Celes Chere]

Kind of agree with *double checks username* Zee. I don't seek out tards... what a boring hobby, lol. I also don't see the point of making a list like that. x'D

Also LEAVE CLERITH ALONE

 

[Zee]

Also LEAVE CLERITH ALONE

HOW DID YOU FIND THIS PICTURE OF ME

 

[Dashell]

Well they made a list on their forum so I thought it'd be fun to do one here. I'm not pointing out specific people, or making fun of anyone. Sorry for trying to bring about some discussion that's not "Wow lol, look what this idiot pinker on youtube said!" or whatever. I'm surprised I have to defend myself when the majority of people on CxA are perfectly aware of what I post here and don't have a problem with it and I post there and don't have a problem with them.

And Quex, if I felt like going to pink hell, I would not have asked for a C/P of the page.

You're still not getting it from me. I draw the line at c/ping unless I'm in a really pissy mood and I'm not.

 

[Zee]

you don't see how pointless is it to rebuke "evidence" that's been beaten to death for years now for an audience that's not even paying attention anymore?

 

[Dashell]

That's what this entire topic is though dude, that's what it's been for a while now... unless I missed something.

Look, I'm sorry if you felt my post was offensive, they did it on CxA and a bunch of arguments came to my mind about what the Cleriths had wrong and I thought it would be fun. I wasn't trying to piss anyone off or anything.

EDIT
and there's still plenty of Cleriths out there who defend it. I really don't think pretty much all of them have thrown in the towel at all. There's more than just CxA out there. There's neoseeker and youtube as Ryu said. They ARE out there, you just have to know where to look. As for rebuking evidence... if they gave up on said evidence, yeah I see your point. But they still say some of this stuff and it's been proven wrong.

 

[Zee]

I'm not offended or pissed or anything. I'm just pointing out that this thread seems to struggle more and more to stay relevant when there's really not an opposing side around to debate against. Hell, even the forums are slow and the most active threads are more chit chat than anything.

I suppose I'm just wondering what else people are getting out of this. It's one thing to get lulz out of a stupid argument or two, but these are arguments that have been discussed to death already.

It's also just really weird to me that the Cloud/Tifa fans are the ones trying to prolong this debate, if it can even be called that anymore.

edit: also, c'mon guys, youtube does not count. anyone who takes youtube comments/debate seriously reaaaally needs to take a step back from the computer.

 

[Dashell]

I suppose I'm just wondering what else people are getting out of this. It's one thing to get lulz out of a stupid argument or two, but these are arguments that have been discussed to death already.

Because they keep using those same arguments and it amuses some of us. And I haven't been around for years. I've been involved in the LTD for... like a year now. So I guess to me it's not as old as it is to some people.

It's also just really weird to me that the Cloud/Tifa fans are the ones trying to prolong this debate

The same ones who made an article called "The Love Triangle Is Over"? Those Cloud/Tifa fans?

I would love for this debate to be over, but it's not going to happen until certain people concede. So yeah until you get that, a handful of Cleriths conceding isn't going to do it for anyone. ... except maybe Tres

EDIT
and yeah okay pre movie discussion is kind of stupid XD I'll give you that
But the Cleriths enjoy "mocking" Cloti arguments on their forum, I don't see why it's so bad if we do the same here, especially if they aren't bothered by it.

 

[Zee]

why do the cleris have to concede? why does it matter if they are writing shitty fanfiction about aeris and cloud spiritbanging? i mean yeah, some of the arguments are really silly, but i don't see why that should even phase anyone at this point.

i guess my point is, it's one thing to debate a topic when someone comes in to discuss it, but it's another to just do this circlejerk the thread keeps falling into.

also i don't really like when the cxa forum gets out of hand with mocking, or when the start ganging up on people. :\ so yeah.

 

[Dashell]

i guess my point is, it's one thing to debate a topic when someone comes in to discuss it, but it's another to just do this circlejerk the thread keeps falling into.

Lol, yeah that's the way most level headed people would look at it and it's why a lot of people have stopped posting in here and lost interest in the LTD. It's the same thing over and over and over. Honestly even I'M getting tired of debating on places like neoseeker and TNC because I always just repeat myself. But if people want to talk about arguments that have been discussed to death, so what? People are having fun. And as long as no one is seriously offended or getting hurt, I don't think it should be a problem.

If it's a big deal though, I'll try to refrain from making posts like that here and just discuss it elsewhere with people on MSN or whatever. I'm fairly certain most people wouldn't have issue with it though.

 

[Ryushikaze]

And you should probably realize that when you have to resort to youtube just to get your fandom wank fix, you've sunk too low.

I definitely don't go looking for it, that's for fuckdamn sure.

you don't see how pointless is it to rebuke "evidence" that's been beaten to death for years now for an audience that's not even paying attention anymore?

It's much like the Evo v Creo argument, or the SW v ST debate. Even though it's completely one sidedly won on the merits, people still try and BS about it from time to time. It's more just keeping in shape.

I'm not offended or pissed or anything. I'm just pointing out that this thread seems to struggle more and more to stay relevant when there's really not an opposing side around to debate against. Hell, even the forums are slow and the most active threads are more chit chat than anything.

I suppose I'm just wondering what else people are getting out of this. It's one thing to get lulz out of a stupid argument or two, but these are arguments that have been discussed to death already.

It's also just really weird to me that the Cloud/Tifa fans are the ones trying to prolong this debate, if it can even be called that anymore.

edit: also, c'mon guys, youtube does not count. anyone who takes youtube comments/debate seriously reaaaally needs to take a step back from the computer.

For me, personally, it is about the principle of the thing. It is much the same reason I engage in Evo/Creo debates and the like. I don't like letting the wrongheaded have an unopposed soapbox.

BTW, I've gotten a gander at the 'debunked Cloti arguments.' Of the 19, it seems half were never argued, roughly a quarter were completely misunderstood, and the remainder are actual arguments which have not been debunked at all, and some have even been validated if you take off the blinders for a split second.

 

[Vendel]

Look what I found.

We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my computer and my TV and playstation and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest SE. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write your essays because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the Ultimania and the Case of stories and the movie and the CloTi's on the internet. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.

You've got to say, 'I'm a Clerith, Goddamnit! My pairing has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!'

 

[Dashell]

Did you make that up? XD

 

[Vendel]

Did you make that up? XD

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Spoiler

:jackrape:

 

[Dashell]

YOU could

Was it on youtube?

 

[Max Caulfield]

Totally random, but that reminds me of those commercials where the people are sticking their heads out of windows and yelling, "IT'S MY MONEY AND I NEED IT NOW!"

 

[Ryushikaze]

Goddamit, is Alex trying to repurpose quotes again?

 

[Celes Chere]

... What the fuck WAS that? O_o

 

[Dashell]

Sounds like someone who's having a hard time dealing with all the Cloti in the recent Compilation entries... possibly Alex

 

[Tennyo]

Recent stuff I don't know about or old stuff?

Vendel I hope you just made that up for lulz. I mean, worldwide recession, oil spill in the gulf, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and about a million other things that people know and maybe don't know about, and it's over a video game paring that they are getting pissed and shouting out their windows?

I'm choosing to believe you made that up. But it is kind of lulzy if it's not. Heck, it's kind of lulzy either way.

 

[ForceStealer]

Well...honestly, I'd rather talk about a game.

that's for fuckdamn sure.

What the hell?

 

[Madame Mayor]

Honestly even I'M getting tired of debating on places like neoseeker and TNC because I always just repeat myself.

I felt the same until I realized one very important aspect of not only this debate but all debates about canon... people seriously have trouble understanding the concept of canon. And I mean the word itself, not even FFVII canon or Star Wars canon. Just the question 'what does canon mean?'.

It seems to me if more people actually understood, there would be less of these debates. Or rather, that the debate reality boils down to understanding what it is your actually debating more than debating the actual subject.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I felt the same until I realized one very important aspect of not only this debate but all debates about canon... people seriously have trouble understanding the concept of canon. And I mean the word itself, not even FFVII canon or Star Wars canon. Just the question 'what does canon mean?'.

It seems to me if more people actually understood, there would be less of these debates. Or rather, that the debate reality boils down to understanding what it is your actually debating more than debating the actual subject.

Agreed. More often then not a debate on 'canon' is actually a debate on shipping preferences as one or both parties often misunderstand what canon material really is.

Here's a clue, anyone debating that throws in "well, that's my interpretation..." is arguing opinion.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I find a lot of people struggle with canon, which is why I often use the alternate term 'in continuity' when referring to most things, since most people grasp that better.

As for arguing opinion, some people have trouble doing that. Why, just the other day, Cali's 'sister' called a list of events that occurred in the compilation just my opinion.

And on the subject of 'canon,' Cali herself said this week Crisis Core didn't count.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Cali's a certifiable nutjob with MPD apparently, but that aside, her arguments have long ago stopped being amusing and now I just look at them with pity and a faint nauseous sensation. But, in regards to the subject at hand, she is a prime example of those that take 'their opinion' and insert it as 'fact' because well, it's true for them. **eyeroll**

 

[Madame Mayor]

My most hated of phrases: "In my own canon..."

No, you don't get to have your own canon. *headdesk*