I find it hilarious that I'm a 'troll' just because I don't like Cloti.
Actually, people are thinking you're a troll because you're acting absurdly, such as continually casting this entire exchange as people being mad at you because 'you don't like C/T' when people have explained themselves already.
That has nothing to do with it. It says on the passage that Cloud x Tifa are a optional couple. Please learn to read, and stop being in denial.
It says nothing about their optionality, Yoshi. As for denial,Glass houses and stones.
It's funny that you can understand the Terra part, but when you get to Cloud x Tifa you get sucked into the whirlpool of denial. The Ultimania said that the C/ T is completely optional, you really seem to ignore what you don't want to hear. You might as well stick your fingers in your ears and scream " la, la,la, I can't hear you " !
Glass houses and stones. The Ultimania says who you date is optional. The sharing of feelings is described, time and again, as what happened there. We didn't NEED to be told that. Before this page came around, the people whose arguments you are cribbing recognized that the feelings happened. They argued- rather inanely, IMO- against what those feelings were. This page removed all doubt. So then they tried to change the rules of the game without anyone noticing, saying that it only counts for the high version, so it doesn't count, trying to pretend like it was not already obvious that the High Highwind scene was the canon version of events, just like picking up Vincent and Yuffie.
Again you have issues reading, what you don't want to know. SE said that C/T is optional. The company itself, said that the pairing is optional. How much more clearer do you need it to be ? Do you want SE to scream it from the rooftops ?
A quote where they say the pairing is optional would suffice. One from within the last few years, preferably after the 8 or so instances where it is said Cloud and Tifa realize their feelings for each other at the end of FF7 and live with each other afterwards.
No. You are making a agurement by saying that the company has made a pairing official, when they have said themselves, that the pairing is clearly optional.
If they have said this, then you will provide pictorial evidence and/or a citation. If you cannot, this claim will be taken as a baseless.
Repeating a point does not make it any more true.
You refuse to acknowledge the official 20th Anniversary ultimania, so you bring up something from Case of Tifa that doesn't even make sense ? You're knowledge isn't that outstanding...
Ah, finally, a source of some sort. The problem is, the U20 DOESN'T say what you think it says. Yes, it says 'if' but that doesn't invalidate the canon status of the scene. A bit of text going 'if you go into the woods, a strange ninja will fight you. After you beat her, she will join your party if you answer the questions correctly. If not, she will run away and not join' does not invalidate another bit of text that says 'Yuffie Joined the party at this point in the narrative.' One is speaking to the conditions that need to be fulfilled to get the event which the other is describing as canon.
If you mean " Case of Tifa " SE never said that Cloti was cannon.
[Groucho Marx]Certainly they never said it was a Napoleonic Long Barrel, but then again, why would they?[/Marx]
If you actually read the Ultimania, SE says that the pairings are left up to interpretation. That includes The Case of Tifa.
SE does not say the pairings are left up to interpretation. Instead they say things like 'Cloud and Tifa realize their feelings for each other and live together', 'Cloud and Tifa share their matching feelings' 'Tifa is the only person Cloud has ever opened his heart to' and other variations on those themes.
Because I can actually understand what SE are on about with Cloud's love life ?
But, you can't. I have read the quotes you purport to be speaking of. They do not say what you claim they are saying.
When has it been wrong to think negatively of a character's personality ? Not everybody is going to like everybody, that's the way the world goes around. I thought that she was manipulative because it looked like she was refusing to tell Cloud about what really happened in Nibelheim, also opinions on things are not a crime either. I also never said that I never liked Tifa, just that didn't see her so good with Cloud.
I've never said " Tifa sucks " ! once.
There's not liking a character for who they are, and there's making things up to justify not liking a character. The latter falls firmly into the realm of 'character bashing', and is what you did when you tried to cast Tifa as manipulative.
I find this hilarious ! My statements are coming from solid proof and backup from online sites.
No, your statements are coming from Clerith.com, who are ALSO quite willfully ignorant of the matter. That's an appeal to authority besides.
Your arguments betray that you aren't as familiar with either the material, the meaning of canon, or the nature of conditional statements.
Again this is even MORE hilarious. I'm not protecting anything, I'm just stating what is fact. C/ T is optional.
You aren't. You are stating your conclusion, and failing to support the conclusion beyond your say so and an appeal to an extremely questionable authority.
I'm not ignoring evidence, I'm the one with the evidence ! And you' re the one ignoring the evidence, that C/T is optional. SE, the company, said it. " Who Cloud loves is up to player ".
Then provide this actual evidence. Provide a picture and a source where 'the company' has said you have actual choice.
Cloud and Tifa are shown underneath the Highwind, but so is pictures of Cloud being with Aerith...
http://i49.tinypic.com/20go6k2.jpg
Are you reading from a script? Well, of course you are, you're using Clerith.com as a guide and everyone who does tries this one, it seems. It's not THE PICTURE. It's the text beneath each picture. The text beneath the date picture says 'depending on how you act, different people will join you on the date.', whereas the Highwind text talks about sharing mutual feelings without words, an event that has elsewhere been stated to have happened as a matter of course. The entry elsewhere in the book going 'If you do X, then this' doesn't change that the Ultimanias as a whole consider that scene to have happened.
And why are you pointing to the U10's splash page? There's no actual content there. Are you trying to treat it as evidence?
In the Ultimania. All the official relationship pairings are shown. Tidus x Yuna, Zidane x Garnet, Steiner x Beatrix, Squall x Rinoa. And pictures of both Tifa and Aerith.
I'm familiar with the flowcharts. Are you familiar with the words linking each person?
Wakka and Lulu are Childhood friends.
You're making it sound I've been 'brainwashed' because I don't like C/T.
No, you sound like you're brainwashed because you keep spouting patently false things, not because of your like or dislike of the pairing, and I would thank you in the future to please not put words in my or anyone else's mouth. You seem to be doing that. It might be unintentional, but it is still irritating.
Yes a group of aliens came down from mars, and they said become a Clorith, otherwise we'll bomb Japan with a giant yellow flying submarine and steal your moneys.
OH NOES. THE EVIL BRAINWASHING ALIENS ARE GOING TO TAKE ME AWAY.
Let the record be shown that Yoshi is hostile, even to attempts to be civil, and has attempted to evade the point and focus on this 'brainwash' strawman rather than offer up any legitimate self reflection or explanation.
I'm posting proof to back up my statements, which is important during a debate. I don't see how posting any kind of proof is anyway near lazy, to be honest.
You aren't posting proof. You're ASSERTING that there is proof, but never going to the step of laying it out. You say SE says that it's optional, but never really where.
I don't see how "DieForOurShip " is saying that both of the Final Fantasy VII pairings, are optional. If I was "DieForOurShip " I would be trying to hammer in C/A to everybody, and say that Tifa was dumb, because she gets too close to Cloud or something..
Normal opinion " Who Cloud loves is optional and up to the game player ".
Dieforourship- " Cloud and Aerith BELONG with each other, and Tifa should diee because she gets to close to Cloud and she is a huge slut, because Cloud loves Aerith !"
Get the difference ?
'Die for no ship at all' is close enough to the 'die for our ship' mentality as to make no nevermind.
It's also a common retreating point of people who realize they cannot possibly validate their pairing or military strategy or whatever they're arguing in favor of to try and chip down the argument of everyone else. 'If I cannot win, then no one can.'
Seriously, Yoster. You want get us to believe you don't think there's a pairing, then don't cite Clerith.com. Don't fall into all the same traps as all the other people who've insisted there's no official pair to muscle in their own have done.
And remember, a neutral can come to a 'non neutral' conclusion. They just follow the facts, not their preference.
You've already betrayed your preference, and are now arguing the golden mean. As you're hardly the first, that's bound to set of some warning klaxons.