The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

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Son Goku

It's my stomach, I'm hungry.
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mugennagama
About the honoka translation:

Indistinct
Definition: not clearly defined or easy to perceive or understand :monster:

Something like “secretly” might work well here I think. He might also have not been aware what kind of feelings it was; despite it obviously was romantic love. Either might work imo.

About this Alex guy:
I`m very new to the LTD therefore I don`t know him. But since his theory about people shipping a lesbian couple in order to fantasize having a long term 3some-relationship and making a lot of babies with (hopefully) good genes with them, I`m pretty convinced that he must be sniffing “something”. :awesome:


About the color discussion:
Listen to these wise words;
The true evil wears white! :awesome:


And lol, I seriously thought Shadowfox was joking. XD
This is all your fault, Quexinos! :awesome:

cya
 
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Here's my third-hand translation suggestion for the line in question:

"He was developing feelings for Tifa, but was unclear about what those feelings were."

Anyone who can't relate to that, raise your hand.

Side question: is japanese as ambiguous to its native speakers as it seem to be here?
 

Vendel

Banned
Here's my third-hand translation suggestion for the line in question:

"He was developing feelings for Tifa, but was unclear about what those feelings were."

Anyone who can't relate to that, raise your hand.

Uh...except we are told they are feelings of love. So why would Cloud be confused?

Also...what time frame was this quote for again? Because I think by the time he comes back to Ninnynhaha I think he understands why his pants feel funny whenever he is around Tifa.
 
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Uh...except we are told they are feelings of love. So why would Cloud be confused?

Also...what time frame was this quote for again? Because I think by the time he comes back to Ninnynhaha I think he understands why his pants feel funny whenever he is around Tifa.

Confused quantitatively, not qualitatively. At the risk of labouring the obvious, lust is not the same thing as love, though of course they overlap (a lot). I don't know about you, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been unclear at times where exactly on that like-lust-love spectrum my feelings lie.
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
The question would then be why a teenage boy would be agonizing over a question like "Do I want to marry this girl or just blow my load in her?" -- as well as where there was ever indication that he was personally unsure of the degree of his attraction.
 

Vendel

Banned
The question would then be why a teenage boy would be agonizing over a question like "Do I want to marry this girl or just blow my load in her?" -- as well as where there was ever indication that he was personally unsure of the degree of his attraction.

*Under the Highwind*

"Tifa, nothing's changed. I really just want to blow my load in you"
 
Oh lordy, the LTD was much more fun when I was a mere spectator. I don't know the scripts off by heart, I've only played this game four times, but I thought
a) a degree of uncertainty about his level of affection for Tifa was programmed into the game
b) even if the level of attraction is not in doubt, the strength and depth of his emotional attachment to her could easily be unclear to him. His mental state is rather foggy to begin with. And she's not just some casual pick-up. He had an intense crush on her as a kid but there's been a whole lot of ugly water under the bridge since then. OK, some guys wouldn't think too hard about where the relationship was going, they'd just take what they could get and enjoy it, but is Cloud like that?

Strength of attraction is often immediately apparent. Awareness of the depth of one's feelings usually takes more time to become clear. That's what I meant by suggesting the word 'unclear'.

When the day is cloudy, the sky's not clear.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
I thought he was an adult (or at least a teenager) when he first met Aerith as a young girl? Did that change with Crisis Core?

He was, but Aerith's age at that point is never detailed. Granted, Tseng's age isn't ever detailed Either, but he's definitely depicted as a whole to be in the same age grouping as- maybe only a few years older than- Zack. I suppose he could as old as 30, but that strikes me as unlikely. If Aerith is 12 in the flashback and he 15, for example, then he'd be 25 in the 'main' line of the first game.

This just in, Cloud's mother is a figment of his imagination. :monster:

Cloud actually lived in that house Alone for 13 and a half years.

Also gotta love how they're (as in mostly cali's dupes) trying SO HARD to shoot down every significant CxT moment in the thread where they're looking for romantic CxT moments. "No, that one doesn't show CLOUD'S feelings, we're looking for just evidence of Cloud's feelings. But let's add Cait Sith's prediction and Cloud's mother telling him to date an older girl to the Clerith side of the list. Even though Cloud says not interested to his mother (who is a figment of his imagination BTW) this is her endorsing Aerith as a choice for Cloud, so it counts."

lol what?

Double. Standards. QED.
Seriously, Cloud's feelings re:Tifa are demonstrated a whole hell of a lot, even if some only make sense in retrospect, during FF7.

Oh lordy, the LTD was much more fun when I was a mere spectator. I don't know the scripts off by heart, I've only played this game four times, but I thought
a) a degree of uncertainty about his level of affection for Tifa was programmed into the game

Uncertainty about it from our end, I would say sure. We're not meant to realize it at first. Like I say a lot, the game is meant to lead you in one direction, slam you in the face with a dead end sign, and make you reconsider the meaning of the signs you've been picking up, and whether or not some of them were signs to begin with.

b) even if the level of attraction is not in doubt, the strength and depth of his emotional attachment to her could easily be unclear to him. His mental state is rather foggy to begin with. And she's not just some casual pick-up. He had an intense crush on her as a kid but there's been a whole lot of ugly water under the bridge since then. OK, some guys wouldn't think too hard about where the relationship was going, they'd just take what they could get and enjoy it, but is Cloud like that?

Cloud isn't the type to 'just take what he could get an enjoy it.' But mostly because he couldn't JUST enjoy it. Again, like I say ALOT, being worthy of his good fortune is a big thing Cloud has to deal with. "The Happier he gets, the more the regrets of the past weigh on him" "The happier he is, the lonelier he gets" natch.

Strength of attraction is often immediately apparent. Awareness of the depth of one's feelings usually takes more time to become clear. That's what I meant by suggesting the word 'unclear'.

In that Cloud is unaware of himself, I think that's fair enough, but I'm not quite sure 'unclear' is still a good word to use, weighted as it is with additional meanings.

When the day is cloudy, the sky's not clear.

But the Cloud is plain as day.
Ba Dum Tish

Also, if anyone thinks a name like Cloud is bad, it could be worse. It could be Cloid. That's a real given name. As is Blueberries.


About this Alex guy:
I`m very new to the LTD therefore I don`t know him. But since his theory about people shipping a lesbian couple in order to fantasize having a long term 3some-relationship and making a lot of babies with (hopefully) good genes with them, I`m pretty convinced that he must be sniffing “something”. :awesome:

Alex's drug habits have never been confirmed, but I think he might be quite coked out on religion. He's quite religiously minded.
 
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Eerie

Fire and Blood
It could be Clad like in the French version :monster: [Don't thank me for this one].

ABout Cloud's feelings, I do think that back then, he didn't know what those feelings were. First, he was a young boy, and as the young boy he was, he didn't look too much at them wondering what they were. I think the main idea is "they exist, but he doesn't know what they are; but they are precious to him, they are part of him and push him to make the choice of becoming Soldier."

Then, he had this convo with Tifa at the well, and the promise that carved Tifa deeper in his heart. After that, well, she became the symbol of that promise, and the need he had to protect and win (since whenever he loses - is that in Crisis Core, or Before Crisis? - he mentions the promise he couldn't keep). An important person he didn't want to fail, and when he couldn't get into Soldier, he didn't want her to know he failed.

Then, Sephiroth attacked the village, and FFVII happened. :monster:
 

Dashell

SMILE!
AKA
Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Cali, why don't you come here since you have such a problem with what we are saying? We can't defend ourselves over there, but you can defend yourself here. It might make things easier rather than what you're doing now.
 

Dashell

SMILE!
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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Quoting us in her signature and avatar and calling us names and such. Granted I also quoted her in my signature, but I only added it when I was annoyed with her and removed it afterwards.
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
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hitoshura
I need screencaps or something because I still don't know and don't know these people/their usernames/etc. :monster:
 

Dashell

SMILE!
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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Just take my word for it :monster:

I'm just saying instead of trying to start fights with us THERE where we can't defend ourselves, she should come here.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Cali, why don't you come here since you have such a problem with what we are saying? We can't defend ourselves over there, but you can defend yourself here. It might make things easier rather than what you're doing now.

No, Quex. It's easier to run away from possible critics. Because if she comes here, she will be shown how she is wrong if she comes here.

Just take my word for it :monster:

I'm just saying instead of trying to start fights with us THERE where we can't defend ourselves, she should come here.

There are rules against actively arguing against the party line there. It is, as it were, a bannable offense.
There are no such rules here. Hell, even Vennie's around, and have you seen what he says in the Debate subforum?
Hell, even Google flags his comments as spam.

I'm too lazy to take a sceenshot :(

And Cali's too afraid to come back.
You aren't banned, sunshine. We left you one working account, remember. Hell, I'll unban one of the other accounts if you want that one more. Remember, tho, hun, ONE.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
She can quote me all she wants :monster: I will not retract the fact that she's one of the worst dupe creators I've ran into, nor the fact that Cloud never loved Aerith romantically :monster:
 

Winter

8ad 8r8k
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oddishness, like vines, azula, femshep, winter
vendel idk why you hate everyone at CxA so much, you honestly act just like them. You're just as stupid over cloti as they are over cleris.


also, I've been gone for days and this thread still sucks. I'M GLAD I HAVEN'T MISSED MUCH
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
John 8:32

It will, but you don't have the truth, Vennie.

Google may know what you eat in the morning. But I wouldn't trust their judgment.

They seem wise enough on this account.


vendel idk why you hate everyone at CxA so much, you honestly act just like them. You're just as stupid over cloti as they are over cleris.

LV, it's because he's so similar that he hates them so much.
 
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Celes Chere

Banned
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Noctis
Wow, Zee! I think I hit the thanks button so much that it exploded! :'D

Quex, just ignore her. That's what I learned to do.

Though if she ever talked about me again, I'd have to smack a bitch. And I mean that in a nice way dear, if you're reading this. :monster:
 

Vendel

Banned
vendel idk why you hate everyone at CxA so much,

Who says I hate the people over there? Quit projecting your issues on me FFS.

you honestly act just like them.

Do I now? And how would that be? Please enlighten the audience.

You're just as stupid over cloti as they are over cleris.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Ryu said:
It will, but you don't have the truth, Vennie.

Maybe. But I would wager I am closer to it than you R-Chan.
 
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