The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

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His right eye kinda looks messed up.

Anyways, if people are initiating that Cloud smiles at the whole gang instead of just Tifa, can't one just counterattack that with the fact that when he smiles at "supposedly Aerith," he's smiling at Zack too - because, OH WAIT, he's there. Except, it seems that poor Zack is erased out of the scene.

 

[I Am Not Me]

The creator of this bullshit?
http://www.geocities.com/anime_art2003/AntiCloTi.html

AMAGAD DX

That's so awful. I don't like whoever that is already.

My reaction at this scene before watching the ACC ending:

"OMG! Cloud = ZERITHFAN!!!111"
Pardon. That's just the rabid fan in me.

Also, he does look very peaceful. Hell, he is supposed to feel piece after all that shizzle. Peaceful and grateful for their help.

Of course Cloud is a Zerith fan. But he's actually just smiling because he saw Zack's sexy ass.

And he's smiling. I don't see how he's not smiling there. But he's definitely smiling. He was even smiling awkwardly before that, when Tifa gives him "the look".

And the music thar is called "Cloud's Smile" or "Cloud Smiles"... or something with Cloud and Smile together.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

nd the music thar is called "Cloud's Smile" or "Cloud Smiles"

...which was inspired by the smile Cloud gives Teef and the keeds. According to Nobuo, but what does that fucker know?

 

[Channy]

lolz, some of those sigs are actually well done when they're not flashing about with text.

 

[Shadowfox]

Eh, I still don't see it. /stubborn

Look back in the original game. The whole "Sorry I'm late"/"It's all right" schtick between Cloud and Tifa follows the dialogue they shared at the Nibelheim reactor about him showing up to save her just like he'd promised.

The camera shows another flashback in Mt. Nibel Mako Reactor of the past.

Tifa: ...You came. ...You kept your promise. So you really did come when I was
in trouble!

Cloud: Sorry... I didn't get there... fast enough...

Tifa: It's all right... Cloud.

 

[Channy]

So he's not punctual. What's your point?

 

[I Am Not Me]

lolz, some of those sigs are actually well done when they're not flashing about with text.

I agree. But they're still not nice.

Bashing is awful.

 

[Celes Chere]

some of those sigs are actually well done when they're not flashing about with text.

They're pieces of MS paint shit, with no taste.

Except, it seems that poor Zack is erased out of the scene.

Because everyone fucking knows that Aerith is ZOOMED in on and closer to Cloud- OH! And did you see the way she looked at Cloud? That has got to be saying that they are in LOVE right? And did you notice that Zack leaves BEFORE Aerith? It means that Aerith wanted to stay with Cloud forever and that Cloud was staring at her the longest!

 

[GeoMill]

That's so awful. I don't like whoever that is already.

It's pretty funny actually. It summarizes many rabid theories quite well.
I burst out laughing when "Acceptance of Zack's presence" and "Creating Separate Worlds" came about. Yes, because watching over a chick while she sleeps and sighing softly is nothing. Yah.

Oh, and!

"Tifa... What did Cloud mean when he said he'd rather meet Aerith than live with you?"

Marlene, Marlene. Haven't they told you yet? where-Cloud-wants-to-go =where-Aerith-is=where-Zack-is=the-destined-road-to-CLACK.

AMAGAD DX

That's so awful. I don't like whoever that is already.



Of course Cloud is a Zerith fan. But he's actually just smiling because he saw Zack's sexy ass.

And he's smiling. I don't see how he's not smiling there. But he's definitely smiling. He was even smiling awkwardly before that, when Tifa gives him "the look".

And the music thar is called "Cloud's Smile" or "Cloud Smiles"... or something with Cloud and Smile together.

Can't blame him. It's a fine peice of art.

Of course he is smiling. I think that's already been clarified. He should do it more often.

EDIT:

Spoiler

I wonder if that is why they edited the Zack-Aerith exiting scene.

 

[Sunstrider]

Everyone knows Nobuo is just a RAPID cloti. You can't believe a word out of his mouth.

Honestly, I think Cloud is kind of smiling because of everyone involved in the situation at that point from Tifa to Aerith to Barret to the little, unnamed children swimming in the pool. Aerith leaves with Zack, but he's not smiling at them. He's smiling because, as Aerith says, everything's alright now. He's at peace with himself, as someone mentioned earlier.

And from the looking Tifa's giving him, he's getting laid as soon as they're alone. What say we rename that track "Cloud Gets Some"?

 

[Vendel]

So he's not punctual. What's your point?

*SMITE*


As for the whole smile debate. I find it rather silly. He smiles at the end. It goes off the goofycrapometer when people say he doesn't smile at Tifa. Or that his expression doesn't change after he focuses on her.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Everyone knows Nobuo is just a RAPID cloti. You can't believe a word out of his mouth.

And from the looking Tifa's giving him, he's getting laid as soon as they're alone. What say we rename that track "Cloud Gets Some"?

OMFG Cloud gets some?! CLOUD GETS SOME?!?!?! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

OMFG, so it's true that the Japanese have bad naming sense. I mean, why didn't they think of calling that track "Cloud Gets Some"! AMIRITE

RAPID Cloti? Wow, so Clotis are fast nao?

It's pretty funny actually. It summarizes many rabid theories quite well.
I burst out laughing when "Acceptance of Zack's presence" and "Creating Separate Worlds" came about. Yes, because watching over a chick while she sleeps and sighing softly is nothing. Yah.

Oh, and!

"Tifa... What did Cloud mean when he said he'd rather meet Aerith than live with you?"

Marlene, Marlene. Haven't they told you yet? where-Cloud-wants-to-go =where-Aerith-is=where-Zack-is=the-destined-road-to-CLACK.

Hmm... some are pretty funny. They seem to be more anti-Tifa though, which is awful. And they wonder why some Clotis are being raPid on them.

And you, my friend, is rising up in the Clacker ranks. You should start preaching your knowledge now.

Can't blame him. It's a fine peice of art.

Of course he is smiling. I think that's already been clarified. He should do it more often.

EDIT:

Spoiler

I wonder if that is why they edited the Zack-Aerith exiting scene.

They edited it because they wanted to show how Cloud totally smiles after getting to check out Zack's ass. It's canon. IDK why people are so into the Cloud-smiles-at-Aerith thing. We all know Cloud doesn't get turned on by dead girls. Just dead guys.

Because everyone fucking knows that Aerith is ZOOMED in on and closer to Cloud- OH! And did you see the way she looked at Cloud? That has got to be saying that they are in LOVE right? And did you notice that Zack leaves BEFORE Aerith? It means that Aerith wanted to stay with Cloud forever and that Cloud was staring at her the longest!

WHUT.

Did someone really say that?

 

[Celes Chere]

Did someone really say that?

I didn't make this shit up, that's for sure, lol.

 

[GeoMill]

Hmm... some are pretty funny. They seem to be more anti-Tifa though, which is awful. And they wonder why some Clotis are being raPid on them.

Very anti-Tifa and anti-Zack.
I'm sorry to say I always sense the 'slut' and 'player' laced in their words whenever they speak of them. It's really sad.
Will there be a day such characters are not senselessly bashed by fans just because they are a 'threat' to their favorite pairing?

....is it too much to hope?

And you, my friend, is rising up in the Clacker ranks. You should start preaching your knowledge now.

Why, thank you for permitting so, sire. *gets pitchforks and cheese to help raise Clack-population*

 

[Ⓐaron]

What was the in-joke behind rapid anyway? It was a typo some pinker made, right?

Very anti-Tifa and anti-Zack.
I'm sorry to say I always sense the 'slut' and 'player' laced in their words whenever they speak of them. It's really sad.
Will there be a day such characters are not senselessly bashed by fans just because they are a 'threat' to their favorite pairing?

....is it too much to hope?

When we're talking about people like Anastar and FF_Goddess? Yes, yes it is.

 

[Celes Chere]

It was a typo some pinker made, right?

No, just like they can't tell the difference between Koibito and Koi_Bito, they can't tell the difference between rabid and rapid. If you can't understand your own language, how can you be expected to understand an entirely different one?

 

[Ⓐaron]

oh my fucking lol, did they really type "rapid" on purpose? Hahahahaha

 

[I Am Not Me]

Very anti-Tifa and anti-Zack.
I'm sorry to say I always sense the 'slut' and 'player' laced in their words whenever they speak of them. It's really sad.
Will there be a day such characters are not senselessly bashed by fans just because they are a 'threat' to their favorite pairing?

....is it too much to hope?

When we're talking about people like Anastar and FF_Goddess? Yes, yes it is.

There's your answer

Okay, so I don't who those two are (at least I know FFG is the one who made those awful things).

I didn't even look at the Zack ones, because Zack doesn't deserve any of that.

Do they not realize that their Cloud is practically Zack as well?

Why, thank you for permitting so, sire. *gets pitchforks and cheese to help raise Clack-population*

GO SPREAD THE WORD!!!! LET NOT ANOTHER PERSON STRAY THE PATH OF CLACK! SALVAGE THEM!!!! SHOW THEM THE LIGHT!!!!!

Good that you know that cheese is the Clack population's staple food.

What was the in-joke behind rapid anyway? It was a typo some pinker made, right?

No, just like they can't tell the difference between Koibito and Koi_Bito, they can't tell the difference between rabid and rapid. If you can't understand your own language, how can you be expected to understand an entirely different one?

...OMG, THAT. REALLY???! I mean... RAPID?! REALLY?

AMAGAD

 

[Celes Chere]

...OMG, THAT. REALLY???! I mean... RAPID?! REALLY?

Considering it's used more than one time, doesn't seem like a typo to me. Must be confused. I understand, this is very hard stuff.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Which pinker was it that confused the two words? Or was it multiple pinkers?

 

[Eerie]

Maybe that's a private joke from them, that actually makes them look more stupid than anything, who knows

Kind of hard to not go "lulz, whut?" when you read that XD Or maybe it's because CloTi run faster than Cleriths? OMG, proofz, canon!

As for Tifa being a slut: it's true, loving ONE guy from when you're a teen until 10 years after and devoting yourself to him is such a slutty thing to do, EW! As for Zack, he's clearly a player, I mean, look, how many gf did he have before Aerith? Poor Aerith, she was only the only one out of a million for him DX Ain't that sad? DX

On a more serious level, I don't know why people are arguing about the ending? Isn't it clear that Cloud finally found peace? And I personally like to think that it's thanks to all his friends - the dead ones, and the alive ones. I like that last shot of Cloud actually, it's rare to see him like this ^^'

 

[Strangelove]

As for Tifa being a slut: it's true, loving ONE guy from when you're a teen until 10 years after and devoting yourself to him is such a slutty thing to do, EW!

Don't you know how many men Tifa was a ~koi bito~ to (before the word fused into one again and changed meaning)? It's all her fault. She dresses provocatively.

As for Zack, he's clearly a player, I mean, look, how many gf did he have before Aerith? Poor Aerith, she was only the only one out of a million for him DX Ain't that sad? DX

On this subject:

When I was playing FFVII, I noticed this scene was different in Japanese as well. Rather than talking about going to see one girl to help them out like the English one, he talks about there being multiple girls.

On that subject, but maybe not on topic

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Wow, that talk got very...heated after I left. I think most of the talk of Clerith shippers comes from the bad experiences people have had in the past. I know several rude Clerith trolls, esp. one who said myself and another member deserved to be sick/have injuries. Good fun, that one. However, I can't speak for every person who doesn't like 'pinkers' vs. Cloud/Aerith shippers.

Also, I'm sort of confused by your example of "Fundies suck, but not you father, just Christians in general." Did you see people dissing rabid Clerith shippers at first and then direct it to just Cleriths period?

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I've just read through pages and pages of comments and a few things were still NEVER addressed, or at least not properly.

Since no one is disputing Aerith's feelings towards Cloud, could any "Clerith as Canon" supporter show me where CLOUD confirms/acknowledges his feelings toward her? I've asked before and been given random interpretations as "facts" but I want some creator or actual script statement. The fact that Cloud and Aerith set each others destinies in motion isn't exactly romance. She dies because she travels with them and it's because of her capture that he raids ShinRa tower and discovers Sephiroth is alive. Who's he chasing in the game? Oh...that's right. WHY is he chasing him...? NOT for Aerith, she's alive at this point, remember?

Y'know, if the whole of compilation is taken into account, then we have to acknowledge that Tifa is the reason Cloud joined Shinra, and the reason he wanted to be a SOLDIER... and the reason behind his cross dressing panty fetish...but that's not anything like setting a destiny in motion...

Also, the ridiculous notion that Koibito in reference to Tifa can mean anyone but Cloud because his name isn't explicitly stated, I counter with: NOWHERE in CoLW is Aerith's name mentioned, and therefore I infer that "the woman"/Ancient in question is really Ilfana and it is her that thinks of Cloud as her beloved. Seriously. Prove me wrong based on the logic used to remove Cloud from Tifa in the aforementioned arguments.

This comment:

Actually, this is about beliefs, because at no time has SE said "Cloud loves Tifa", and so much of Cloti evidence, and yes much Clerith evidence too, is based on taking something they have said and interpreting it in their own personal view. And to go with beliefs, here's some facts - are there things that can be interpreted as Cloti? Yes. Are there things that can be interpreted as Clerith? Yes. Has SE come right out and stated which side is right? No.

No, not about beliefs. About fact. Did Squall and Rinoa need a press release? No. Why? Because in context SE HAS made a declaration. Yes. They really have. "I knew one thing for sure. Cloud would be with Tifa. Everyone would be where they belong." Now, that quote alone is solid, but take into the context of what Nojima is speaking about and it's bulletproof. He says this in regards to coming up with a sequel to FFVII--before AC became a full blown thing. His INITIAL absolute certainty for the story was what? Oh, yes, that CLOUD would be with TIFA--no matter what else, no matter what he came up with from that point on, THAT was certain.

There is nothing "Clerith as Canon" shippers have that even comes close to the solid foundations Cloti is built from. Fanon is fine, enjoy it, but please stop trying to make Clerith the intended love story of FFVII. It's not. It never was.

Edit: The end of AC when Cloud supposedly "smiles" at Aerith...they are gone by that point. White light, vanished, no longer there. So he's not smiling at Aerith or Zack, at all. He's just content.

 

[mentaz]

The only thing that we get from debates nowadays, is bashing and personal attacks because of something the other person said that affects their shipping. There is a line between denial and insanity my friends, and rabbids have no trouble crossing it, for example, the last troll that was at Alise's forum.

ANYWAY, the things that remain constant are:

- proofs that tifa is in love with cloud and that he was/still is with her;
- proofs that aerith is in love with cloud, but no evidence that cloud is in love with her. furthermore, the Cloud that Aerith fell in love with is the Zacloud...basicly she fell in love with Zack all over again.
- and for those who saw the movie before playing the game, (like me) on AC we can see that Aerith and cloud have this conecion, this bond that seems romantic (though it vanishes as soon as cloud says "mother"), but on ACC that bond no longer seems romantic because Zack is given this special bond as well. Unless....hm..

The rest is shuffle repeat really. And I've never seen any facts that support clerith besides disk 1 and KH (even though those are not really "proofs"), I'm still waiting on those.