The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Ryushikaze]

Ten years later? I didn't really see a reference to it in DoC or AC/C. What I DID see in ACC was that newly added scene

Spoiler: spoiler worthy? playing it safe

where Tifa fell from Bahamut's blast, and is about to get crushed by a building. But as Cloud zooms towards her, what does he see? Seph coming after Aerith. It appeared to me more of a "I'm not letting this happen again" moment rather than "I'm keeping my promise" otherwise they would have flashbacked to Nibelheim when he was tending to her side, or even the Well when they made their promise.

It's not Clorith but it's not Cloti either, it sort of cancels eachother out.

'Was I late' 'Right on time' is a callback to his apology for not arriving soon enough during the Nibleheim incident. That callback is in ACC and DoC.

Wa/Lu had a baby. And FF8 we got hugs. Lots of hugs. Well, two to my recollection anyway.

Cloud and Tifa had, off the top of my head, a hug, holding hands, him catching her before her fall to her death, her touching his butt, him holding her tight so he wouldn't lose her, and they were given a kid.

I was actually watching VII gameplay last night and saw that scene and wondered, what happens in Tifa is in the party? Or do you always have to have Cait Sith and Aerith? Because Cait Sith does say some incriminating things saying that Aerith and Cloud are perfect for eachother.

Cait pops in to off himself if he's not in the party. And again, he also says they have a bright future. Oops.

And while I'll get to it later, Drake, no, it's not about belief. It's about evidence. This isn't religion, it's not at all like religion. This is competing hypoteheses regarding the empirical data of the compilation. That means I have and shall continue to treat this whole affair in an appropriate manner, and give nonsense junk theories like the spiritsex and rival orphanages and intellectually dishonest shit like koi-bito which isn't any longer the contempt it so readily deserves.

Wakka and Lulu had a kid, Rosa and Cecil have a kid, Yang and his wife were married, Rinoa and Squall kiss in the ending....

No, they don't. You don't see them kiss. The context implies they do, just as it does Cloud and Tifa engaging in risque acts under the highwind.

You misunderstand, Ultimania profiles for both says "Aerith/Cloud set the other's destiny in motion". Where is the quote saying Tifa influences Cloud's destiny?

By being his catalyst? And again, I don't deny this, nor do I care. Their destinies aren't romantic. Just as Lenna kickstarts Bartz's destiny in FF5, without a hint of romance there.

Tifa herself suspects it.

Ah, so now we get into the character bashing, moments after a lecture about fandom bashing. She's mortified at the possibility they were watching because she and Cloud are getting teased by it. It doesn't mean Cid and Red actually watched.

No, I'm just wondering how it is people keep saying Cloud and Tifa have had sex like, two or three times during the Compilation. Somehow Tifa's smile at the end of AC is flirtacious, which means she and Cloud had sex that night.

It is a rather flirtatious smile. People who see just that scene think it's a 'gettin' some' smile.

What context? It's a two-sentence paragraph, there's no context to be taken out of.

Yes there is. The overall context. You can't take it as just a two sentence blurb. That's meaningless. You have to take the aggregate of ALL the evidence, and the greater context of the story. That is the context I speak of, and it is where we get that Cloud is her ideal love, she is an important woman to Cloud, she's the only one he's ever opened his heart to, their hearts calling out to each other, the revelation of mutual feelings, etc.

How so? That's a term you guys actually use here, quite often actually, "pink blinders" and similar terms to the same effect that apparently distort a Clerith's views.

It is. But when you in your mockery put words in our mouths and so distort our arguments into barely recognizable strawmen, well...

There is? There's a dictonary for these things? Can you show me where it is so I don't make this error again? Expressing distaste for a pairing is one thing, up and down this thread people don't bash the Clerith pairing, they make fun of the Clerith shippers. And if I come in the reaction is "oh, we don't mean you Drake".

Because we don't, but egads have we met some crazy, bitchy, holier than thou twats in our time and I don't think we should be censored from commenting about them. But you shouldn't take it personally. No one takes it personally when the fringe C/T factions are kvetched about, since we know those aren't us. We don't espouse those arguments. Maybe that's the issue. You see this as making fun of you and yours instead of mocking the arguments and practices of those who happen to also be C/A advocates.

Actually, this is about beliefs, because at no time has SE said "Cloud loves Tifa", and so much of Cloti evidence, and yes much Clerith evidence too, is based on taking something they have said and interpreting it in their own personal view. And to go with beliefs, here's some facts - are there things that can be interpreted as Cloti? Yes. Are there things that can be interpreted as Clerith? Yes. Has SE come right out and stated which side is right? No.

They don't have to. The facts of the matter ought to be enough. Even if Rowling hadn't said the harmonians were wrong, the evidence showed them wrong. Their absurd arguments proved them grasping. Same here.
It's about a coherent hypothesis/theory on the facts of the narrative then rigorously reviewed and torn apart until only the superior explanation exists.
As for 'so much of C/T evidence' bullhonkery. Nine times out of ten, all I do is quote creators.

Oh, and you are actually wrong. Cloud dimly/secretly (whichever phrase you wanna use) fell in love with Tifa before leaving for SOLDIER. Nothing exists to make us think this changes. Cloud even says nothing has changed under the highwind.
QED.

 

[Loxetta]

I'm a Clerith shipper, that's my group. I ship Clerith. And as I said before yes, I'm getting a bit disillusioned with some of the CxA membership. Group me as you like then.

I'll kindly direct you to several posts where I calmly discuss this, and I know for a fact that several people here have thanked me for joining so there can be a civil discussion.

And one must admire your perserverence. I probably would have caved and tucked tail a long time ago, and looks like serveral other Clerith's did recently. Kudos.

But when I keep seeing comments that bash Clerith shippers and insult them, what do you want me to do? Agree with them? I suppose I could ignore them yes, but why should I have to? Why do Clerith shippers need to be insulted at all here?

Maybe because a lot of them are delusional basket cases? Speaking as someone that's 95% observer in this thread, I haven't seen one pinker yet that didn't deserve any keyboard lashing they got here.

And if I misunderstood the topic, then tell me what the topic is.

Debate. Nobody is insulting anyone's liking of the Clerith 'ship. Several folks here have stated blatantly that they like it too. And that's great -- Clerith is nice, it's sweet, tragic, psychologically interesting, and cute. Great for it.

But the question is not what pairing you or anyone else likes, it's what's canon. If you say that all of the arguments you can come up with have already been shot down, and can't come up with something new to bring to the table to weigh against the Cloti proofz, what are you doing in this thread besides complaining that you're being insulted? If you don't see a point to debating, gtfo of the debate thread.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

And one must admire your perserverence. I probably would have caved and tucked tail a long time ago, and looks like serveral other Clerith's did recently. Kudos.

Thank you. The problem is I find myself in situations like this, exactly as I described where debates go in circles. I don't see the point of such things. But it sometimes it feels as if no one is really listening to what I say. I try to say "I see your point of view, and though I understand it I disagree with it". And while many posters are civil and reasonable, several post things that say "well, your point of view is wrong, ours is right, deal with it".

Debate. Nobody is insulting anyone's liking of the Clerith 'ship. Several folks here have stated blatantly that they like it too. And that's great -- Clerith is nice, it's sweet, tragic, psychologically interesting, and cute. Great for it.

But the question is not what pairing you or anyone else likes, it's what's canon. If you say that all of the arguments you can come up with have already been shot down, and can't come up with something new to bring to the table to weigh against the Cloti proofz, what are you doing in this thread besides complaining that you're being insulted?

I'm saying that both sides have arguments to shoot down the other side's proof. Some of these arguments are valid, some aren't.

If you don't see a point to debating, gtfo of the debate thread.

I've been told such before, I'm starting to agree.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

And while many posters are civil and reasonable, several post things that say "well, your point of view is wrong, ours is right, deal with it".

Civil and reasonable to you is someone who will look at what you call evidence and say "yes, your interpretation is just as valid & EVERYONE is right"?
So basically, someone who won't disagree with you, or someone who may disagree, but won't challenge your point of view.



You still haven't given me that Cleris equivalent...so, in the words of someone wiser than I, "concession accepted"

I'm saying that both sides have arguments to shoot down the other side's proof.

you just haven't done it yet.

Jemz, we need that PROOFZ icon!!!!

 

[null.]

What context? It's a two-sentence paragraph, there's no context to be taken out of.

Here dude, you said you need a dictionary.

con⋅text  [kon-tekst]

1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Now that you can't hide behind semantics, please tell the class who Tifa shows "koibito" worthy interest in - and therefore could be her koibito candidate - besides Cloud.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Civil and reasonable to you is someone who will look at what you call evidence and say "yes, your interpretation is just as valid & EVERYONE is right"?
So basically, someone who won't disagree with you, or someone who may disagree, but won't challenge your point of view.

No, that's not it at all. As per what seems to be the norm here, you like to skew everything I say to fit your own biased view of me. And you mock Cleriths for that, interesting....

This is what I consider an example of civil and reasonable discussion - this, and the few pages after it.

http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52&page=270

You'll notice no one feels the need to say anything derogatory about Clerith shippers or "rabid pinkers" on those pages and is content to discuss the LT. For those pages I was happy to discuss and debate with other members. When the thread takes a turn like it has recently....not so much.

Now that you can't hide behind semantics, please tell the class who Tifa shows "koibito" worthy interest in - and therefore could be her koibito candidate - besides Cloud.

I would agree that the phrase could be taken to mean that Tifa shows "koibito" interest in Cloud, entirely. I've never questioned that Tifa loves him. But I see others saying that the quote means she's Cloud's koibito, or that they're each other's koibito, etc. And that's when I think it's making too much from too little. Like, recently on the FF Wiki, a guy suggested that because the Warrior of Light questions how Sephiroth "got there" in Dissidia, that maybe Sephiroth appeared on his own without being summoned by Chaos. Same thing, I find that to be too much of a stretch from the source material.

 

[Isabella]

To be a koibito is to be the beloved of someone; in other words, the one receiving the love, rather than the one doling it out. So if Tifa's a koibito, it means someone loves her romantically. The statement from Nomura isn't about Tifa's feelings, but about someone's feelings for her.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

The problem with you is exactly what Rinoa said.

Oh and because I just saw this:

and I know for a fact that several people here have thanked me for joining so there can be a civil discussion

You will get no thanks for joining a public forum anyone can join to discuss a love triangle from me. It's not a feat worthy of great celebration. You cry foul everytime your opinion is challenged. You have taken reasonable responses as personal attacks.
You came here from the very beginning on your high horse claiming moral superiority over the bashing, evil Clotis. What kind of response do you expect?

You accused the entirety of these forums of being anti-Cleris and thus the reason Clerii don't join. Do you ever read your own posts, Drake? And you come here telling me I insult you? Drop the victim card. I've seen it far too many times, you ain't fooling anyone.

More importantly, you have consistently ignored responses that pertain to the actual topic at hand, like my last responses to your LT-related posts in favor of picking fights over semantics and what you deem insults (you think I "insult" the Cleris shippers when I point out the absurd so-called arguments that the majority of them keep using in debate threads). You always gravitate to whatever you can use to cry foul and play victim, and the ones who thank you for your "civil discussion" feed this image of the brave Cleris martyr you think you've got going.

Judging by your behavior, you were never here to discuss, just complain. From the very beginning -- in fact, it is the first thing you did. I only responded in kind. I have a low tolerance for transparent crap like this and attempts to throw one's own dirt onto someone else.

I also don't glomp people every five seconds. You'll have to excuse my harsh exterior.

The statement from Nomura isn't about Tifa's feelings, but about someone's feelings for her.

She's a fighter, mother and someone's lover. Can't be the guy she's made to complement, the dude she talked with in the Lifestream where they confessed their mutual feelings for one another , not the guy she belongs with....must be Zack She did tell him she hated him and you know what they say about love and hate

 

[DrakeClawfang]

There it is again, you insult me without actually addressing what I'm saying. I notice you're not actually replying to *my* post either. Click the link - several pages with many people, including myself, discussing the LT calmly and civilly without insulting each other. I'm fine with that, I didn't mind that. If there were more people conducting themselves like that I'd post in this thread more.

It's not about me coming here to complain, it's not about me playing the victim card. If I play the victim, it's because you're attacking. My post history speaks for itself, if people want to discuss the LT with me like human beings, fine. If they want to make accusations and fling insults, no thank you.

Also, I can't help but notice you're trying to play the victim card too - making me out like some self-righteous horrible person coming here to impose my will upon you. Calling a "Clerith martyr", like I'm an evil tyrant that must be defeated. How selfish of me to play the victim card when you're already holding it. Well I guess it's true, the best defense is a good offense.

But, fine then. You obviously already have it in your head what sort of person I am, why bother defending myself when you won't listen? I've said my piece, you've ignored, blah blah. I'm leaving, you can go forth and brag to your friends how you slew the evil Clerith and peace reigns again. I frankly don't give a shit anymore. I won't be replying anymore, and I'll not be reading your replies since I'm fairly sure I know exactly what they'll say.

 

[A]

D : This thread is getting a bit touchy.

 

[Channy]

Sorry I ditched, family came round.

'Was I late' 'Right on time' is a callback to his apology for not arriving soon enough during the Nibleheim incident. That callback is in ACC and DoC.

Because he's late? I think that's a bit of a stretch. In Nibelheim Cloud wasn't late, he was there the whole time. He was meant to be watching Tifa and prevent her from going in the Reactor. He failed to do so, yeah but I dunno why this late stuff keeps coming up. The Promise was touched upon very nicely in LO, it was cute and romantic, yeah, but the other titles kinda feh.

Cloud and Tifa had, off the top of my head, a hug, holding hands, him catching her before her fall to her death, her touching his butt, him holding her tight so he wouldn't lose her, and they were given a kid.

I recall them holding hands going up from The Lifestream but who grabs whos butt and where? And screenshot pls, I need to see this.

Also for the catching before death thing, Cloud grasps hold of Aerith after she's dead and holds onto her dearly, holding her close to his chest and then carts her off later. Jus sayin.

Cait pops in to off himself if he's not in the party. And again, he also says they have a bright future. Oops.

So what does he say then if Tifa's in the party? Anybody know?

It is a rather flirtatious smile. People who see just that scene think it's a 'gettin' some' smile.

Pah, smiles. Aerith gives Cloud a flirtatious smile before she walks away and when I took the screenshot for someone in my CxA club, I found that Tifa and Aerith look very similar in the way that they smile.

Also, Cloud gives the last smile of the movie to Aerith. She's gettin some tonight.

 

[lunar_crimson]

I would agree that the phrase could be taken to mean that Tifa shows "koibito" interest in Cloud, entirely. I've never questioned that Tifa loves him. But I see others saying that the quote means she's Cloud's koibito, or that they're each other's koibito, etc.

To be a koibito is to be the beloved of someone; in other words, the one receiving the love, rather than the one doling it out. So if Tifa's a koibito, it means someone loves her romantically. The statement from Nomura isn't about Tifa's feelings, but about someone's feelings for her.

Translation: You've got it dayum wrong, Drake.

The original was a rather 'civil' response to your post though. Actually, I think everyone who has responded to you were rather civil. Some are just more blunt, whilst others might be more tactful.

That aside, perhaps you can now answer who Nomura was referring to when he called Tifa a koibito--if that person was not Cloud. I think people would be more interested in your answer for this question ...then...the other stuff....

 

[A]

WHOA, lunar! I haven't seen you since forever!!!1111

The people who responded you were blunt in my opinion, but I don't think they intentionally are trying to offend you Drake.

We can from both sides not make this into a soap opera

 

[I Am Not Me]

Okay, there have been too many posts since my last one. I cba to read back on all of them.

I do apologize for being a bit out there, Drake. Actually, I apologized before on my reply to xAerith, but you probably didn't see it.

I made it clear that I'm not trying to cause dramas/a fight, nor was I attacking you. It's just that you've failed to answer my questions directly, only posting a link to a previous post and things like that, and then saying how you don't want to debate, even if your replies show otherwise. By the way, I'm the one who should feel insulted, as it seems as though you've ignored a lot of my points. I may be 13, but I do know when my views are not being taken seriously. I also know that I do bring up valid points, because they are the same things that I can see others have given out. I'm not being whimsical on my arguments, and I do have back-up for my claims. I was also ready to see from your perspective, and I was being civil and even cracking jokes, and you give me a facepalm. I even used emoticons!

Although I know being offended by that is kind of childish. But seriously, did I deserve that? You replied to everyone else and not me? Because I'm a kid? BAAAAAAWWWWW

Oh, btw, if ever I'm sounding like I'm generalizing Cleriths, I'm not My bestest friends are Clerith-shippers, and they constantly pwn me when it comes to arguments, because it's just me against them. But we still love each other anyway. If I say anything rude about Cleriths, I'm talking about the few rabid ones. Not you awesome Cleriths who became my friends.


Just in case people think I'm an evil Cloti. Which I'm not, because I'm an evil Clack.

Edit:

That aside, perhaps you can now answer who Nomura was referring to when he called Tifa a koibito--if that person was not Cloud. I think people would be more interested in your answer for this question ...then...the other stuff....

I second this.

 

[Celes Chere]

Well there was TerraxLocke at the start a bit

No, there really wasn't. Just because a guy meets a girl, it doesn't mean HE MUST have feelings for her. He wanted to protect her, but that doesn't mean he loved her at all. There is absolutely no proof for LockexTerra, and yet it was debated at one point, very strongly. There were some pretty heavy LockeTerra vs LockeCeles wars. LockexTerra makes about as much sense as EdgarxTerra. The guy talks to her once (does a nice deed even), and somehow it means something. There is a thing called friendship out there. =)

Cleriths see things differently from Clotis.

LockexTerra = Clerith pretty much. Locke promised to protect Terra out of goodwill, not love. Terra finds love within taking care of children, and takes on a Motherly role, much like Aerith. And even though Terra is the main heroine, it is the secondary heroine that Locke falls for.

Again, not seeing the point of debating something that you guys have heard before and that I know won't go anywhere.

No offense, but why even bother saying anything in a debate thread then? If you're not going to debate/discuss, why even bother? <=/

why do you feel the need to insult Cleriths?

Not all, but some. A lot of us have had bad experiences with Cleriths from CxA Forums. I loathe those Forums myself, and I think what OWD has to say is not only hilariously correct, but painfully true.

Not about every member, mind you. But the majority. How can you deny it?

more Cleriths don't post here. It's highly irritating,

When I say it, I'm wondering about actual Clerith's, not ones like

Spoiler

FFG

who think Tifa is a spoiled bratty tramp, and basically have no logical arguemnts to give whatsoever.

you make fun of the shippers as a whole, not as individuals.

I don't think that's true at all. I think almost everyone has expressed that they're talking about CxA Forums/Devotion/Clerith.com. I don't consider them to be Clerith. Just flat out rabid. (Most, not all, imho.)

So what does he say then if Tifa's in the party? Anybody know?

Are you talking about when Cait Sith is telling Cloud and Aerith about their stars, and being a perfect match? If Tifa is there, I believe he says:
"I can't say it... poor Tifa!"
But he says it anyway. I thought this was an instance where Aerith was being quite inconsiderate to Tifa. Now, no-one attack me, that's just how I feel. It's not like I hate her for it or anything like that.

Cloud gives the last smile of the movie to Aerith

Now, now. Let's not forget that Zack was there too. THREESOME.

 

[GeoMill]

Also, Cloud gives the last smile of the movie to Aerith and Zack. They're gettin some tonight.

Fixed.

 

[Vendel]

Wow...looky what I started.

Because he's late? I think that's a bit of a stretch.

In ACC this is referenced twice. Not to mention the changing of the music when he finds her.

Also Drake. How you managed to completely miss "CloTi" in AC is rather amazing to me.

 

[Channy]

Fixed.

Oh how silly of me.

In ACC this is referenced twice. Not to mention the changing of the music when he finds her.

Also Drake. How you managed to completely miss "CloTi" in AC is rather amazing to me.

wat? When?

I completely missed it. But I was in denial.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Sorry I ditched, family came round.

Because he's late? I think that's a bit of a stretch. In Nibelheim Cloud wasn't late, he was there the whole time. He was meant to be watching Tifa and prevent her from going in the Reactor. He failed to do so, yeah but I dunno why this late stuff keeps coming up. The Promise was touched upon very nicely in LO, it was cute and romantic, yeah, but the other titles kinda feh.

It's a callback because he keeps apologizing for being late, and she keeps telling him it's okay/he was on time/ etc.

I recall them holding hands going up from The Lifestream but who grabs whos butt and where? And screenshot pls, I need to see this.

The butt touch is in the ending FMV. Bella or OWD would most likely have the screen. Or gif.

Also for the catching before death thing, Cloud grasps hold of Aerith after she's dead and holds onto her dearly, holding her close to his chest

? I don't recall 'holding close to chest'.

and then carts her off later. Jus sayin.

And I'm saying the finally catching her actually fulfills a recurring thematic device that is peppered throughout the story.

So what does he say then if Tifa's in the party? Anybody know?

'Oh Tifa I'm so sorry' or something along those lines. Truely, Reeve just wanted in that mini himself.
...

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Pah, smiles. Aerith gives Cloud a flirtatious smile before she walks away and when I took the screenshot for someone in my CxA club, I found that Tifa and Aerith look very similar in the way that they smile.

Y'know, I think that's the first I've heard Aerith's smile at the end of AC described as flirtatious. But it's not just the smile. It's also the eyes, I think, in Tifa's smile that give it that so readily seen as flirtatious nature.

Also, Cloud gives the last smile of the movie to Aerith. She's gettin some tonight.

I still don't see that as a smile. His mouth doesn't curve up, or stretch back. It's a peaceful expression, not a smile, though.
Also, even were it a smile, ZACK.

ZAAAAAAAAACK.
ZACK.

He's fully in frame and in focus, and his goodbye comes in between Aerith's line and Cloud's reaction shot. He is definitely and deliberately included as part of that entire moment.

 

[Isabella]

Cloud smiles lightly to himself at the end. It's a moment of peace for him. Zack and Aerith had already gone.

Oh, did someone mention butt smackage?

 

[Channy]

It's a callback because he keeps apologizing for being late, and she keeps telling him it's okay/he was on time/ etc.

Eh, I still don't see it. /stubborn

The butt touch is in the ending FMV. Bella or OWD would most likely have the screen. Or gif.

wat, I need to see this

? I don't recall 'holding close to chest'.

Alright 'holding to chest' was probably the wrong choice of words, but the way that Cloud pulls Aerith's body in closer to his and bows his head into her chest. I had it backwards. My bad.

And I'm saying the finally catching her actually fulfills a recurring thematic device that is peppered throughout the story.

I rebut your catching her, with flashback of Aerith stabbity moment.

'Oh Tifa I'm so sorry' or something along those lines. Truely, Reeve just wanted in that mini himself.
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Oh snap. I still stand by the whole "meant to be" shiz though.

Y'know, I think that's the first I've heard Aerith's smile at the end of AC described as flirtatious. But it's not just the smile. It's also the eyes, I think, in Tifa's smile that give it that so readily seen as flirtatious nature.

I did a playback of the ending and Tifa's is definitely more flirtatious in the eyes. Aerith I think is more flirtatious in the slight way she smiles and then nods her head to him in acknowledgement.

I still don't see that as a smile. His mouth doesn't curve up, or stretch back. It's a peaceful expression, not a smile, though.

Smile

Also, even were it a smile, ZACK.

ZAAAAAAAAACK.
ZACK.

He's fully in frame and in focus, and his goodbye comes in between Aerith's line and Cloud's reaction shot. He is definitely and deliberately included as part of that entire moment. scratch that i sux cox

 

[I Am Not Me]

BUTT SMACKAGE LOL

When I say it, I'm wondering about actual Clerith's, not ones like

Spoiler

FFG

who think Tifa is a spoiled bratty tramp, and basically have no logical arguemnts to give whatsoever.

But he says it anyway. I thought this was an instance where Aerith was being quite inconsiderate to Tifa. Now, no-one attack me, that's just how I feel. It's not like I hate her for it or anything like that.

Don't worry, you weren't the only one who thought that. In fact, they were a lot of instances that I thought Aerith was being inconsiderate of others, but I like her for it anyway. It shows how much of a real character she is.

It's not hard for anyone to like Aerith, AMIRITE

And who's

Spoiler

FFG

?

Now, now. Let's not forget that Zack was there too. THREESOME.

I still don't see that as a smile. His mouth doesn't curve up, or stretch back. It's a peaceful expression, not a smile, though.
Also, even were it a smile, ZACK.

ZAAAAAAAAACK.
ZACK.

He's fully in frame and in focus, and his goodbye comes in between Aerith's line and Cloud's reaction shot. He is definitely and deliberately included as part of that entire moment.

Fixed.

I love how everyone supports Clack in their own little ways. Thank you, friends.

 

[Celes Chere]

I think Cloud is definitely smiling. But at two people, so I don't see how it's CxA... like, at all. Official quotes from the RF on proving that too, btw.

http://gallery.digik.net/view/25631

It's a smile. It's for two people. Get over it.

Spoiler

FFG

The creator of this bullshit?
http://www.geocities.com/anime_art2003/AntiCloTi.html

I'd like to add that it's fucking immature to ruin someone's fanart with that idiocy.

Edit:
Browsing through her site again, I noticed she put up a rant about me.
http://www.geocities.com/anime_art2003/CCA.html

Dude, I am officially saying fuck the Clerith Forums. It's full of nonsense, full of hatred, and it deserves to be removed from the internet. I am just tired. Sorry Drake, Sorry Dante, Sorry Fury, but this is just plain ridiculous now. Bawwwwing, but I don't care.

 

[Channy]

No, I refuse to believe. Let me slap on my pink glasses so it becomes invisible to me.

 

[GeoMill]

Smile

Also, even were it a smile, ZACK.

ZAAAAAAAAACK.
ZACK.

He's fully in frame and in focus, and his goodbye comes in between Aerith's line and Cloud's reaction shot. He is definitely and deliberately included as part of that entire moment. scratch that i sux cox

My reaction at this scene before watching the ACC ending:

"OMG! Cloud = ZERITHFAN!!!111"
Pardon. That's just the rabid fan in me.

Also, he does look very peaceful. Hell, he is supposed to feel piece after all that shizzle. Peaceful and grateful for their help.