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Channy

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Ruby Rose, Lucy
Besides the fact that he and Tifa visit Nibelheim and say it holds nothing for them? Or the fact that it is never mentioned that Cloud is not living with Tifa other than when he leaves right before AC? Or Cloud saying that he can start a new life because he has Tifa?

I don't have the exact quotes in front of me and I am to lazy to get them. But I could go on if you wish.

Edit: what is this?

GAH!!! *SMITE*

Alright, well I'll concede that but if anything I'd like a quote for them sleeping in the same bed and spooning. :awesome:

*smitten* :awesome:

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Have you ever been shitfaced? That's the most surefire way to feel close and confident with someone.

No, actually. I guess I fail at a lot today. :monster:

Should you really be discussing CoT with Vendel if you haven't read it?

Probly not. :awesome:
 

Channy

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Ruby Rose, Lucy
THAT, JUST THAT, NOT TO EVERYTHING.

Oh that's such like a Cloti to crop out meaningful sentences just to get your way. :monster:
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
Also, I felt like adding that 89 letters over the course of four years equals roughly about 2 letters a month. Two letters a month to a man who never replied for four years!

But Aeris was totally over Zack :awesome:
That's why she always wore the most important materia and only keepsake from her mother attached to a ribbon Zack gave her to commemorate their meeting. And that's why she wore pink until the day she died, after he suggested she should wear that when they met again (because he was a womanizer who left her for another girl).

And this is totally why SE feel the need to let us know all this shit.
 
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Vendel

Banned
I don't think anyone here is saying Cloud was somehow out of it completely. The idea that the real Cloud is there in no way negates the fact he was a really messed up individual.

Someone brought up that he remembers his conversation with his mother. And I feel this is perfect. Sure the real Cloud is there deep down. But just take that conversation as an example of his fake persona dominating.

The three examples off the top of my head are. Cloud remembers himself in a SOLDIER uniform. When his mom ask him about it time skips ahead. When his mom ask him if he has a girl and that he should have an older GF he says "not interested" but you don't get anything else. Could it be that the skipped information included stated or implied feelings/things about a certain big boobed cowgirl next door?

The fake Cloud is in soldier and was just childhood friends with Tifa. The real Cloud is a grunt and is obsessed with Tifa. But his dominate persona wont allow him to remember these things. I need to watch that scene again and see what else is missing.

To say that you (the player) or the NPC's (other than Tifa) can know the 'real' Cloud on disk one is just obnoxious.
 
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Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Spoken by a true Clerith on that forum. And they say that they're above hypocrisy for ragging on our couple. :monster:

I'm sorry, but I actually must know the name of the person who thinks Red/Cloud is less 'bad' than C/T so I can heretofore categorize them in the worthless fleshbag bin.

I wouldn't say I wanna diss Aerith, either. Just demonstrate the hideous flaws in their logic(?) by subjecting Aerith to the same level of scrutiny.

But no takers means it won't be took, 'spose.

You all sadden me and I hate you. :reptar:

A woman
Who in a dress which completely unbuttons down the front
And which is unbuttoned quite high
And which shows cleavage
Wanders the streets
After midnight
Approaching strange men
To sell them
A Flower.

Note that flower seller has often been a euphemism for the oldest profession, then ignore that and conclude she was Sephiroth's coke pusher.

Fack is a fine fanon couple, because both characters are pretty awesome (though I prefer Zack with Aerith or Cloud). But I read a rant once talking about how Tifa and Zack had a whirlwind relationship that ended tragically because Tifa had thought he died, thus is was just as awesome as Clerith. Despite the fact there was pretty much no evidence of Zack and Tifa interacting besides Tifa's little "I HATE YOU" speech. :awesome:

I mean... how does that even happen. Then again, these are the folks who think the 2 weeks of disc one were true love in a handbasket.

Yeah I know she was designed by men. I was just stating that like most other Clerith's in VII, she did come off as a slut to me.

UNTIL the lifestream scene where I learned "ohey, she genuinely cares for this guy."

I can only imagine what you thought of Celes, Rydia, Tina, Rinoa, and the other just as if not more scantily clad ladies of FF.

Also, I actually really like her AC/C outfit. It's really different than other FF outfits and it's casual wear that if it weren't so expensive to cosplay make, you could pick it up someplace and wear it.

Or you could realize it's just a vest made of ordinary material, a waitress's belt and a half skirt.

I know her dress is unbuttoned all the way to her things. BUT I CAN'T SEE HER PANTIES.

This actually enrages me since I'm so Clerith. /ragerage

You can't see 'em just cuz no one wants to.[/unnecesary mean]

Yep, she doesn't WEAR panties and SE can't show you what's up there. I though everyone knew this. "Flower Gir"l is Slum slang for prostitute.

And only for a gil... so sad. :(
:awesome:

It's REAL WORLD slang for prostitute.

Not in the pic. It's an updated FF7 pic, and if you're Japanese she was 14. If you were American, she was 16. :awesome:

Not so. She was 16 in Japan too. So sayeth the UO, the age in AC, and the age in DoC.

Alright, well I'll concede that but if anything I'd like a quote for them sleeping in the same bed and spooning. :awesome:

Shouldn't common sense and context be enough? I mean, the whole point of CoT is to watch Cloud's rise, then rollercoaster plummet, then slow rise again, just before his final plummet and rerise in AC/C.

And if it ISN'T, I would like to declare this game well and truly over.
Also, OddWod, you are on fire, my masculine muchacha. Keep up the good work.
 

Channy

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Ruby Rose, Lucy
I'm sorry, but I actually must know the name of the person who thinks Red/Cloud is less 'bad' than C/T so I can heretofore categorize them in the worthless fleshbag bin.

Member: hikaru

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Move if this is in the wrong forum.
I just realized how much I loathe Cloud and Tifa as a pairing. As much as I try to like it, (in fanon context) I just can't. Why? Why is it so hard for me to like any other pairing?
Anyone here feel the same?
I'll give you a list of pairings I love, like, and tolerate in order from love to tolerate.
...not counting Clerith.
1. Cloud x Zack
2. Cloud x Rufus
3. Cloud x Vincent
4. Cloud x Reno
5. Cloud x Sephiroth
6. Cloud x BIGGS HOMAGAWD LOLZ
7. Cloud x Jessie
8. Cloud x Yuffie (I'm not shitting you.)
9. Cloud x Cait Sith
10. Cloud x Red XIII

Yes, I'm totally serious about the last two.

Then there is...
1. Tifa x Barret (Geez, it makes sense.)
2. Tifa x Vincent
3. Tifa x Aerith
4. Tifa x Rufus

I can tolerate them more than I can Cloti.
Anytime I come across a fanart depicting Tifa with Cloud and Zack with Aerith together as a group I nerdrage uncontrollably.
Every time I see people make fanart of Squall/Rinoa with Cloud/Tifa with Zidane/Garnet I roll my eyes so hard they almost fall out of my head.
I can't. Stand. Cloti.
But don't get me wrong, I love these two separately. AS IN NOT TOGETHER.
Wtf is wrong with me u gaiiiizzzzz. D:

This was hastily followed by another member Myko, saying

"Nothing. Nothing is wrong with you. I feel the same way. Bestiality is better than CloTi."

A woman
Who in a dress which completely unbuttons down the front
And which is unbuttoned quite high
And which shows cleavage
Wanders the streets
After midnight
Approaching strange men
To sell them
A Flower.

Note that flower seller has often been a euphemism for the oldest profession, then ignore that and conclude she was Sephiroth's coke pusher.

Oh cruel Square, why has thou forsaken me with slutty profession innuendos. </3

I mean... how does that even happen. Then again, these are the folks who think the 2 weeks of disc one were true love in a handbasket.

This baffles me muchly as well. But you won't see anyone bringing up the timeline of VII because Disk one > disk two and three in terms of length so it MUST be longer in the timeline, like months and months.

I can only imagine what you thought of Celes, Rydia, Tina, Rinoa, and the other just as if not more scantily clad ladies of FF.

Nay thou, for I have not played other games. I have seem chara artworks and I've seen plenty of Rinoa, I thought her outfit was cute.
Rinoa_X_2_by_vinrylgrave.jpg

Rydia looks like she belongs in a pool with the swimsuit, and Celes/Tina.. sorta escape me atm. *googles* Terra's is risque, but Celes not so much.

Or you could realize it's just a vest made of ordinary material, a waitress's belt and a half skirt.

It's actually shorts, not a skirt. :awesome:

You can't see 'em just cuz no one wants to.[/unnecesary mean]

/baaawwwwww

Not so. She was 16 in Japan too. So sayeth the UO, the age in AC, and the age in DoC.

So how old IS she then in games? /confused

Shouldn't common sense and context be enough? I mean, the whole point of CoT is to watch Cloud's rise, then rollercoaster plummet, then slow rise again, just before his final plummet and rerise in AC/C.

And if it ISN'T, I would like to declare this game well and truly over.
Also, OddWod, you are on fire, my masculine muchacha. Keep up the good work.

No it's not, let's not get into common sense here, because I think I'm CONSIDERABLY sensacle than most Clerith's. :monster:
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
Member: hikaru

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This was hastily followed by another member Myko, saying

"Nothing. Nothing is wrong with you. I feel the same way. Bestiality is better than CloTi."

Oh dear. I mean, really? Cloud buggering a feline is better than with Tifa? Your 'betterometer' is in dire need of fixing.

Oh cruel Square, why has thou forsaken me with slutty profession innuendos. </3

It's not slutty. It's Snorty. Because it's not just a crack theory, it's a CRACK Theory.

This baffles me muchly as well. But you won't see anyone bringing up the timeline of VII because Disk one > disk two and three in terms of length so it MUST be longer in the timeline, like months and months.

Even though the biggest single chunk of disc one occurs over 3 days.

Nay thou, for I have not played other games. I have seem chara artworks and I've seen plenty of Rinoa, I thought her outfit was cute.
Rinoa_X_2_by_vinrylgrave.jpg

And yet Tifa = Slut somehow? I mean that hits every earmark for outfits that rabids claim Tifa's does.

Rydia looks like she belongs in a pool with the swimsuit, and Celes/Tina.. sorta escape me atm. *googles* Terra's is risque, but Celes not so much.

She is essentially in lingerie. When I saw the High res, I thought to myself "I do believe I can see her panties, mostly because there is nothing to cover them."

It's actually shorts, not a skirt. :awesome:

Well, if we're nitpicking, I didn't mention the shirt, either. But no, I was referring to the flap on the rear, not the shorts, which I thought needed no mention along with her shirt.

/baaawwwwww

[heavy]CRY SOME MORE![/heavy]

So how old IS she then in games? /confused

FF7- 16, FF7AC/C- 18, FF7DoC- 19. FF7BC- 13IIRC, FF7CC- 11ish, I forget exactly and CBA to check at three AM.

No it's not, let's not get into common sense here, because I think I'm CONSIDERABLY sensacle than most Clerith's. :monster:

Indeed. You are considerably sensible than most Cleriths. Not the lack of 'more' in both our statements. Oddly telling, no?

And I don't mean that you are not sensible, and the request is valid, It just strikes me that most folks who need it in specific writing that all this means they share a room/ bed (Fact: Watch old Sitcoms. Married couples with kids- seperate beds. It was scandalous in the Lucy Pilot that they had a queen size together) are the same sort of folks who leap screaming towards SpiritSex and Tifa being a Koibito to Rude/Johnny/Barret/Zack/ThatGuyWhoIsn'tCloud, or that despite the statement being stated explicitly in the present tense, it refers to the events of nine years prior.

Addendum: Oh right, someone asked what monkeyshines meant.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/monkeyshines
 
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Vendel

Banned
OMG new evidence.

Case of Tifa=CoT. Now what letters make up ClOTi?

That is not subtext folks. That is uh....abovetext!

Cloti fulfilled!
 

Isabella

Your Mom
Ryu said:
or that despite the statement being stated explicitly in the present tense, it refers to the events of nine years prior.
Tifa holds many positions: She's a mother figure, she's an ally ... oh, and she's a girl who was once the object of a childhood crush that is in no way relevant to the movie we're discussing.
 

Channy

Bad Habit
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Ruby Rose, Lucy
Oh dear. I mean, really? Cloud buggering a feline is better than with Tifa? Your 'betterometer' is in dire need of fixing.

Apparently so. But after Clerith, Clack, Clepheroth and Cloti, I then start shipping the more odd balls.. Cloffie, Clincent, Clarret, Clufus ffs and then lastly.. Cled.

It's not slutty. It's Snorty. Because it's not just a crack theory, it's a CRACK Theory.

Moar liek Clack, amirite? :awesome:

Even though the biggest single chunk of disc one occurs over 3 days.

What chunk is that? Midgar?

And yet Tifa = Slut somehow? I mean that hits every earmark for outfits that rabids claim Tifa's does.

It does. :monster: That's why I mentioned earlier that when I first encountered Tifa, I considered her as a slut. But as I played the game, I got to understand her, liked her and looked at her beneath her slutty clothes. :wacky:

Also, I think it's easier to consider someone a slut when they first enter the scene in slutty clothing, rather than coming out modestly and then going sluttly, ala Rinoa to fake KH 2 Rinoa, and Yuna X to X-2. In that situation I found myself more concerned and confused as to why the sudden change.. whereas Tifa came out with her highbeams and panties and just thought "Okay, so she's like that from the get go."

She is essentially in lingerie. When I saw the High res, I thought to myself "I do believe I can see her panties, mostly because there is nothing to cover them."

Who? I'm not sure to which one you're referring because if you try to go for angle shots and high res, you could probly see all their panties.

Well, if we're nitpicking, I didn't mention the shirt, either. But no, I was referring to the flap on the rear, not the shorts, which I thought needed no mention along with her shirt.

Oh, the thing at the back, I forgot about that. Mmkay nvm then.
[heavy]CRY SOME MORE![/heavy]

/intense bawwwww fest

Indeed. You are considerably sensible than most Cleriths. Not the lack of 'more' in both our statements. Oddly telling, no?

Indeed you caught me. I'm really a rabid in sheep's clothing, merely trying to distract you all with my non offensive ways.

And I don't mean that you are not sensible, and the request is valid, It just strikes me that most folks who need it in specific writing that all this means they share a room/ bed (Fact: Watch old Sitcoms. Married couples with kids- seperate beds. It was scandalous in the Lucy Pilot that they had a queen size together) are the same sort of folks who leap screaming towards SpiritSex and Tifa being a Koibito to Rude/Johnny/Barret/Zack/ThatGuyWhoIsn'tCloud, or that despite the statement being stated explicitly in the present tense, it refers to the events of nine years prior.

Well, I was never so Clerith enough to believe in spirit!sex, I actually only learned about that here for the first time. :monster: Nor do I really disregard Tifa's koibito (frankly I hate the word, it's caused so much confusion and hate amongst shippers, I try to avoid engaging in that topic at all) and try to ship her off with some other random person (who's Johnny again? The dude in the AMV but who was he in VII?).

I'm just an incredibly lazy person who can't get through walls of text unless it really catches my interest/something I want to be engaged in. I don't think I've even read the CoLW even though it revolves around Aerith. A lot of the time, I can't be bothered at all with the novellas, so rather than going through that shit, coming up with my own interpretations and being told 'NO GTFO UR WRONG' I simply take the short cut and ask for quotes here and there.

And the only reason I find Cloti sharing a bed/want proof of it during/post/pre/whatever AC/C is because of status of their relationship. I don't doubt they'll get together at some point, but it really just irked me for Cloud to be in a relationship with Tifa, drink himself into drunken stupors, want to be alone constantly, go to a Church to be alone, be completely emo throughout AC/C.... only to share a bed with the person who he's running away from/feeling guilty. It just seemed like an inconsistency to me, either on SE's part, or OOC on his part... I dunno, I'm tired and I've ranted for too long to the point where it probably doesn't make sense.

My bed calls for me from a flowerfield, I'm off to have spirit!sex with it. <3
 

Fairheartstrife

[no fucks given]
AKA
FHS, that cloti bitch
And the only reason I find Cloti sharing a bed/want proof of it during/post/pre/whatever AC/C is because of status of their relationship. I don't doubt they'll get together at some point, but it really just irked me for Cloud to be in a relationship with Tifa, drink himself into drunken stupors, want to be alone constantly, go to a Church to be alone, be completely emo throughout AC/C.... only to share a bed with the person who he's running away from/feeling guilty. It just seemed like an inconsistency to me, either on SE's part, or OOC on his part... I dunno, I'm tired and I've ranted for too long to the point where it probably doesn't make sense.

My bed calls for me from a flowerfield, I'm off to have spirit!sex with it. <3

Well, here's the thing. He doesn't constantly get shitfaced and go into a depressed drunken stupor. He actually only drinks rarely (this is stated specifically) and only drunk once as far as i can recall (With Tifa and Barret earlier). He is at the bar drinking, glum, because he delivered flowers to the Forgotten City courtesy of Aerith's Momma. That's enough to make anyone guilt ridden and depressed, let alone Cloud who's been holding onto that guilt for a couple of years.

He also doesn't want to be alone constantly. "You hate being alone." Why would she say this if Cloud was always: "I wanna be alone, I love it!" He doesn't. He loves his family, is happy with his family, and loves his woman. It's only when he's reminded of his past failures and on the verge of new failure (not finding a cure for Denzel) that he starts to close himself off. Nomura said it best. It's the fear of losing what makes him happiest that causes his self-imposed isolation. And where does he go? The church. Not exactly his "warm fuzzy" place if you take into account he's punishing himself.

Again, for clarification, he's not running from Tifa because he feels guilty, he isn't exactly running at all. He left for a time because fear of failure--of losing all he loves--drove him away.

As for the sharing a bed thing. It's just logical. The cot in his office makes sense in his odd hours. CoT (the one you haven't read) mentions he's gone more often than not on deliveries and coming and going at odd hours. But once they get Denzel, he's home more. They are more of a family. Cloud has the kids help him with his routes, tells them stories and there's one line that I find particularly touching. Cloud and the kids are looking over his maps and Tifa thinks, "If she were to walk over to that table she would be welcomed with warm smiles" (not exact quote but that's the gist).

That's not a scene that speaks of trouble and unlove. That's a family. Cloud and Tifa tease one another, have silly conversations, share each other's company, share their lives, and by any sense of logic they also share a bed. Which in the whole picture is a minor, minor thing.
 

paoo

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And the only reason I find Cloti sharing a bed/want proof of it during/post/pre/whatever AC/C is because of status of their relationship. I don't doubt they'll get together at some point, but it really just irked me for Cloud to be in a relationship with Tifa, drink himself into drunken stupors, want to be alone constantly, go to a Church to be alone, be completely emo throughout AC/C.... only to share a bed with the person who he's running away from/feeling guilty. It just seemed like an inconsistency to me, either on SE's part, or OOC on his part... I dunno, I'm tired and I've ranted for too long to the point where it probably doesn't make sense.

"However, when Cloud contracts Geostigma he disappears. Behind these actions lies feelings of guilt towards his past failure to protect people who were important to him.."

So when Cloud gets Geostigma he leaves, and probably it brings up his memories of Aerith and Zack.
And I just wanna state this, because many people say that Cloud isn't happy living with Tifa. But that really is wrong..
Cloud loves his family, probably more than anything else.
Tifa, Denzel and Marlene makes him happy. 'Kay? :awesome:

"The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud&#8230;"

The past isn't making Cloud happy. The memories of Aerith and Zack isn't making him happy.
Just sad and depressed.
And his past is the reason why he shuts himself off.
:awesomonster:
 
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Akemmi

Cetra
AKA
xAkemmix
Aerith

I always wanted Aerith and Cloud to get together from the beginning even as a child. It's so strange even from a very early age I as a hopeless romantic. lol

I'm sure they loved each other for many reasons and I know maybe not in the long term romantic way but I always thought they'd make a nice couple.

In the game the only time Cloud laughs is when he is with Aerith after they escape the Turks from Aerith's church and when you see him smile at the very end of Advent Children it's when he sees her. I know the smile in Advent Children Is symbolic of how he can finally move on and lose his guilt ect but It was thanks to her in my opinion.

I really wanted them to be together in the game and I was disappointed that they didn't announce their feelings for each other, even on her death bed it would have made me feel better if Cloud had just said, "I love you." to her.

*sighs* It still makes me sad.

I know it was never going to happen in the first place and that the Cloud and Tifa's relationship has more evidence of being present in the “On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa” and in ACC. Despite this they still have a lot of difficulties and awkwardness to get past but I think they'll make it there.
 

I Am Not Me

The Mean Clack
AKA
Mei, Koibito, Stalker, Little Dude, Nami
Er, Cloud couldn't have truly loved her though. He wasn't entirely himself in Disc 1. I can't even say he truly loved Tifa either (in Disc 1 anyway).

And he smiled in the end of Advent Children because he saw Zack's butt. :monster: Whatchutalkinbout? :awesome:
 
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