The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[A]

In the game the only time Cloud laughs is when he is with Aerith after they escape the Turks from Aerith's church and when you see him smile at the very end of Advent Children it's when he sees her. I know the smile in Advent Children Is symbolic of how he can finally move on and lose his guilt ect but It was thanks to her in my opinion.

One should note that Cloud isn't even the real Cloud while he's with Aerith. He's a fake Cloud, and the smile is symbolic, yes, but it wasn't only her who helped him move along. It's stated that, "Tifa is the catalyst to Cloud", meaning she's his 'strength,' which shows enough in my opinion. Of course Aerith helped a large role into getting rid of Cloud's guilt, but that was because he felt guilty of her death. Obviously the only person who could actually help him was her. And not to mention he felt guilt for Zack too, to which who Zack...

Spoiler

got extra screen time and is shown helping Cloud move on

. Cloud moving on just simply means moving on to Tifa.
And Cloud smiled to BOTH Aerith and Zack. Not only Aerith.

I know it was never going to happen in the first place and that the Cloud and Tifa's relationship has more evidence of being present in the “On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa” and in ACC. Despite this they still have a lot of difficulties and awkwardness to get past but I think they'll make it there.

Awkward? Oh yes, very much. I can just imagine Cloud screwing up if he ever asked Tifa to marry him (which he probably won't, but ah, one can dream).

Cloud: Marry me Tifa.

*drools*

 

[Fairheartstrife]

And he smiled in the end of Advent Children because he saw Zack's butt.

I don't know if that's why Cloud smiled, but I do know i was grinning over it.

 

[mentaz]

Akemmi, I seriously advise you to read the whole thread before posting here....

In the game the only time Cloud laughs is when he is with Aerith after they escape the Turks from Aerith's church and when you see him smile at the very end of Advent Children it's when he sees her. I know the smile in Advent Children Is symbolic of how he can finally move on and lose his guilt ect but It was thanks to her in my opinion.

First, he was the Zacloud when he laughed with her, and in AC/C he didn't smile just to Aerith, he smiled to Aerith and Zack. peole are always forgetting that detail....

I would continue but, I'll let the "pros" handle this...

edit: would you look at that, they already did.

 

[A]

I doubt she would actually read all of the posts here Sofie.

 

[paoo]

I always wanted Aerith and Cloud to get together from the beginning even as a child. It's so strange even from a very early age I as a hopeless romantic. lol

I'm sure they loved each other for many reasons and I know maybe not in the long term romantic way but I always thought they'd make a nice couple.

In the game the only time Cloud laughs is when he is with Aerith after they escape the Turks from Aerith's church and when you see him smile at the very end of Advent Children it's when he sees her. I know the smile in Advent Children Is symbolic of how he can finally move on and lose his guilt ect but It was thanks to her in my opinion.

I really wanted them to be together in the game and I was disappointed that they didn't announce their feelings for each other, even on her death bed it would have made me feel better if Cloud had just said, "I love you." to her.

*sighs* It still makes me sad.

I know it was never going to happen in the first place and that the Cloud and Tifa's relationship has more evidence of being present in the “On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa” and in ACC. Despite this they still have a lot of difficulties and awkwardness to get past but I think they'll make it there.

It's good you have your own opinion (Join my Clerith club if j00 wantz. )
Anyway.. this is what the Ultimania says about Cloud laughing together with Aerith;

"The only time he laughs in FFVII is during a conversation with Aerith at the start of the story, when Jenova is still in control of his consciousness."

I wouldn't take it as some special moment between those two when it's just fake.


And actually, Cloud is smiling at Aerith and Zack in the end of AC.
He felt guilt about their deaths, not just Aerith's.

 

[Akemmi]

And he smiled in the end of Advent Children because he saw Zack's butt. Whatchutalkinbout?

Hahahaha! I know that's why I smiled. lol

I know Cloud wasn't himself but I'm sure he still had the ability to develop feelings for people around him to a certain extent.

xxx

Akemmi

 

[mentaz]

I doubt she would actually read all of the posts here Sofie.

So do I, that's why I said it because we don't want anymore cleriths running away

besides Channy, that one is a true martyr. She should have her own altar dedicated to her.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Sof, it's okay. It's not as if she came to debate or anything. The debate is over now. It's now Monkeyshines.

I don't know if that's why Cloud smiled, but I do know i was grinning over it.

It's the only reason for that goofy smile. He just covered it up with his cheesy ending line, but I know he was checking out Zack's ass while he walked out of the church with Aerith. It's the most obvious thing.

I doubt she would actually read all of the posts here Sofie.

I didn't even read the whole first page of this thing. All these pages...

 

[A]

Well, unless it's shown that Cloud shows any romantic feelings for Aerith during their time together, I don't think so. The laugh doesn't affect feelings, nor is it romantic.

 

[mentaz]

I didn't even read the whole first page of this thing. All these pages...

I read it once due to boredom and just laughed during the whole thing

 

[I Am Not Me]

Hahahaha! I know that's why I smiled. lol

I know Cloud wasn't himself but I'm sure he still had the ability to develop feelings for people around him to a certain extent.

The truth shall set you free! Clack is canon! This is why Cloud never expressed too much love for either Aerith or Tifa. It all makes sense.


Yes, he did have the ability to develop feelings for people in his state. Unfortunately, just to a certain extent. He can't have truly fallen in love with Aerith in such a short time because he did have his own issues to deal with.

 

[Akemmi]

It's good you have your own opinion (Join my Clerith club if j00 wantz. )
Anyway.. this is what the Ultimania says about Cloud laughing together with Aerith;

"The only time he laughs in FFVII is during a conversation with Aerith at the start of the story, when Jenova is still in control of his consciousness."

I wouldn't take it as some special moment between those two when it's just fake.


And actually, Cloud is smiling at Aerith and Zack in the end of AC.
He felt guilt about their deaths, not just Aerith's.

I know he felt guilty about both their deaths, I didn't bring Zack into it because of the topic but you have a point and thanks for clearing up the laughing thing. Personally I find all these Ultimania updates quite annoying
and I would love to join your group, can you link me please?

xxx

Akemmi

 

[I Am Not Me]

I read it once due to boredom and just laughed during the whole thing

What, really?

How many pages did you read?

 

[paoo]

Well, unless it's shown that Cloud shows any romantic feelings for Aerith during their time together, I don't think so. The laugh doesn't affect feelings, nor is it romantic.

Yeah, but what kind of feelings do the real Cloud show for Aerith then?
Sadness.

 

[A]

Well, I think anyone would be dumb not to see that Cloud deeply cares for Aerith, as he does with everyone of his dear comrades. He just cares for Tifa... a little more.

 

[paoo]

I know he felt guilty about both their deaths, I didn't bring Zack into it because of the topic but you have a point and thanks for clearing up the laughing thing. Personally I find all these Ultimania updates quite annoying
and I would love to join your group, can you link me please?

xxx

Akemmi

http://thelifestream.net/forums/group.php?groupid=24

There you go.

Well, I think anyone would be dumb not to see that Cloud deeply cares for Aerith, as he does with everyone of his dear comrades. He just cares for Tifa... a little more.

No, of course he cares about Aerith. She was something dear, so was Zack.

Spoiler

Why would they else have smex'd up just before Zack died? You could clearly hear Cloud get an orgasm. "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

Anyway.. And why do he care for Tifa a little more? That's right, because he promised to be her hero and always come and save her. And let's not forget that he was secretly in love with her. And now.. He just is in love with her.

 

[mentaz]

What, really?

How many pages did you read?

boredom makes us do weird things.

I read about 100 and something...It was when I found this forum, after that is was just read the pages that magically appeared when I went to bed.

Well, I think anyone would be dumb not to see that Cloud deeply cares for Aerith, as he does with everyone of his dear comrades. He just cares for Tifa... a little more.

that little more is enough to make it special

Spoiler

:cloti:

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I read the whole damn thread before I posted, wankers.

But I can understanding 300 plus pages of Cloti PWNage would be hard to sift through. Not to mention some of the repeats.

To sum up:

Cloti is by and large considered the main canon couple of FFVII

Zerith is also canon

Sub-couples of debate: **shrug** I don't care about so I'm leaving those out.

Evidence from compilation and creators support this unequivocally. The only question that remains in the air is can anyone show evidence of Cloud having genuine romantic interest in Aerith, as there is no doubt the "Flower Girl" was good to go had feelings for short, blond and spiky.

 

[mentaz]

yep, what FHS said. I'm also still waiting for proofs that Cloud had romantic interest in Aerith.

 

[A]

I came here by like what, page 40? I'm old. Not as old as the others though.

And I don't know, Cloti seemed to be pretty obvious when I first played the game. Promises since childhood, Cloud wanting to be her knight, Cloud's one secret concerning Tifa and then asking her not to tell anyone... revealing their mutual feelings. It's obvious I think.

 

[paoo]

I came here by like what, page 40? I'm old. Not as old as the others though.

And I don't know, Cloti seemed to be pretty obvious when I first played the game. Promises since childhood, Cloud wanting to be her knight, Cloud's one secret concerning Tifa and then asking her not to tell anyone... revealing their mutual feelings. It's obvious I think.

Very obvious. That's why I always think what those rabids are up to?
And if that wasn't enough, SE planned on making a sex-scene between Cloud and Teef. But I think they thought it was a little too much..
NOT FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[I Am Not Me]

Wow. You guys. I can't even bother to read 5 pages of posts. But 40? 100? 300? AMAGAD

Nerds.




BTW, isn't the childhood thing very Japanese? Or at least, it's a recurring theme in romance anime/manga. Love Hina is an example.

I don't get why people try to disprove Cloti with Japanese symborism, when Cloti is already pretty Japanese in itself. That, and Tifa looks ttly AZN. But tall and with boobs.


Edit: xAerith, there is no wonder why ILU. You're very intelligent when it comes to Clack canon.

 

[Akemmi]

I wish I'd stop getting lectured.

I know he was smiling at Aerith and Zack because he felt guilty for both of their deaths, its highlighted in ACC in the scene when both Tifa's and Denzels lives are in danger. I didn't bring up the detail because I was just stating some events that were enough evidence to me that Cloud has feelings for Aerith.

And so what If Cloud wasn't completely himself? People can subconsciously develop emotions and In my opinion I think he managed to develop emotions for her to a certain extent anyway.

xxx

Akemmi

 

[paoo]

BTW, isn't the childhood thing very Japanese? Or at least, it's a recurring theme in romance anime/manga. Love Hina is an example.

Love Hina, good example.
Oh! And Elfen Lied. Lulz, horror animes is da shitz.

Edit: xAerith, there is no wonder why ILU. You're very intelligent when it comes to Clack canon.

NO U R.
Everyone that have seen the Blue Light is smarter than those stupid-rabid Cleriths, Clotis and VincentXCids (LOL), right?

I wish I'd stop getting lectured.

I know he was smiling at Aerith and Zack because he felt guilty for both of their deaths, its highlighted in ACC in the scene when both Tifa's and Denzels lives are in danger. I didn't bring up the detail because I was just stating some events that were enough evidence to me that Cloud has feelings for Aerith.

And so what If Cloud wasn't completely himself? People can subconsciously develop emotions and In my opinion I think he managed to develop emotions for her to a certain extent anyway.

In the LTD (Sorry, LTM) you always being lectured.
But sure, Cloud have feelings towards Aerith. But nothing is stated that those are romantical feelings.
If it is something, Aerith is stated as a mother more than a lover.

 

[mentaz]

I wish I'd stop getting lectured.

Not lectured, we're just presenting the facts to you.

you can ship whatever you want, but here it's mostly about the facts. And believe me, it could be a lot worse.

just please don't run away....

by the way, are you memeber of other forums? you sound familiar...