The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[A]

Akemmi, no offense, but no one's going to go easy on you in this thread. This is not exactly a thread where you can just state your opinion without it being nit picked by other members of this forum, it works the same way in most of the threads here.

Also, feelings or not, Cloud wasn't himself towards Aerith. The Jenova mimicking cell's purpose is to get near the Cetras in order to demolish them - in a way, Sephiroth was using Cloud in order to get closer to Aerith, thus Cloud had to act as someone else otherwise Aerith would be able to sense it because she is a Cetra. There's Tifa in mind, while Aerith's alive, you know.

 

[paoo]

Hmmmm.. I think SephirothXAerith is more canon than Clerith.
SE was thinking of making them lovers, you know.
Oh!~ But what about those familiar FF drawings of the characters?
Cloud and Aerith is always together in them.
If I remember correctly, the pictures are made by someone who isn't responsible for the game.
Remember that one of those drawings were SephyXAerith, I'm serious.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/cloud%20aerith/clorith/cloud_aerith_stand_small.jpg

And I really wanna know what this picture is saying. D:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/sephiroth aerith/HallowBastion/freakings.jpg

 

[Akemmi]

Not lectured, we're just presenting the facts to you.

you can ship whatever you want, but here it's mostly about the facts. And believe me, it could be a lot worse.

just please don't run away....

by the way, are you memeber of other forums? you sound familiar...

I'm not the type to run away.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be bitchy. I tend to overreact a bit when I feel I'm not being taken seriously.

The ultimania updates where put up when? 2006 was it? I really don't understand the point of them.

Could someone please explain? It seems like they are updating the storyline 9 years after the original game was released. Being an author, I find it absurd to update your storyline after it was released, it's back peddling and it ruins your experience of playing the game before being informed of this information.

And no I'm not on any other forums, honestly this is the first forum I've properly joined and taken part in. ^^ So that's why I'm not really used to this sort of environment. - To Jandi as well

 

[I Am Not Me]

The point of Ultimania is to clear things up. Other games have their own Ultimania too. It's too add some more background information on the games.

They made the Ultimania for the compilation. If you're bothered by the Ultimanias, then you should be bothered with the additional compilation titles too. DDD;


Edit: Oh yeah, and for consistency purposes too. FFVII wasn't exactly crystal clear.

 

[A]

Don't apologize Akemmi, there's no need for that. You're a newcomer here, of course it'll take time for you to adjust.

Updating the storyline - it's more like filling in the missing gaps. To add more information concerning the preceding events.

 

[Akemmi]

The point of Ultimania is to clear things up. Other games have their own Ultimania too. It's too add some more background information on the games.

Personally I don't agree with it, when I publish my manga I'm not going to update the storyline 9 years later with things not apparent already in the storyline. If i want to add any more info ill release it in the next book.

When I first read the updates I was disappointed, It's like going back to your childhood home and seeing it redecorated in a way you don't like.

Doesn't anyone feel the same way?

xxx

Akemmi

 

[paoo]

Personally I don't agree with it, when I publish my manga I'm not going to update the storyline 9 years later with things not apparent already in the storyline. If i want to add any more info ill release it in the next book.

When I first read the updates I was disappointed, It's like going back to your childhood home and seeing it redecorated in a way you don't like.

Doesn't anyone feel the same way?

xxx

Akemmi

Well.. I did hope for some Clerith when I read the Ultimania.
But before that it was kind of obvious for me that Cloud and Tifa was going to end up together. So I was happy and sad at the same time, that is what happens when you are a Clerith and Cloti fan.
But you can still support wich couple you want as fanon or something, and don't give a shit about what the creators say.
But believe in spiritsmex is not my thing tho.

 

[A]

Leaving things unanswered would be more of a bummer for me.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Not really, Akemmi. I'm new to the FFVII games, so the Ultimania really helped me get through the plot after my playthrough.

And I don't get what you mean though. A lot of things in the Ultimania is in the storyline as well, just that they are explained. Do you mean that it ruined your interpretation of the story?

Even if you don't agree with it, it still holds facts about FFVII. It clearly explains everything vague in the game and then some. It also helped create some harmony between all the compilation titles.

 

[Akemmi]

Well.. I did hope for some Clerith when I read the Ultimania.
But before that it was kind of obvious for me that Cloud and Tifa was going to end up together. So I was happy and sad at the same time, that is what happens when you are a Clerith and Cloti fan.

Yeh, I was always obvious that Cloti would win, I like both Aerith and Tifa characters for different reasons, so I liked that you saw more of a development in their relationship but I still want proof that Cloud and Aerith loved each other.

xxx

Akemmi

 

[Sheepy]

Personally I don't agree with it, when I publish my manga I'm not going to update the storyline 9 years later with things not apparent already in the storyline. If i want to add any more info ill release it in the next book.

When I first read the updates I was disappointed, It's like going back to your childhood home and seeing it redecorated in a way you don't like.

Doesn't anyone feel the same way?

xxx

Akemmi

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think updating things is the point of the Ultimanias. The way I see it, it's just explaining and pointing out some things that were already there but we may have missed. o_o

 

[paoo]

But I still want proof that Cloud and Aerith loved each other.

xxx

Akemmi

Well.. You have a proof that Aerith loved Cloud.
She called him her lover, beloved and etc. (koibito)
But I think Tifa is the only woman Cloud loves. 'Cause I haven't found anything that says Cloud loves Aerith.

 

[I Am Not Me]

but I still want proof that Cloud and Aerith loved each other.

Unfortunately, there wasn't.

We do know that Aerith loved Cloud. Cloud though, held stronger feelings for Tifa. I think Aerith was precious to him though.

 

[Akemmi]

Not really, Akemmi. I'm new to the FFVII games, so the Ultimania really helped me get through the plot after my playthrough.

And I don't get what you mean though. A lot of things in the Ultimania is in the storyline as well, just that they are explained. Do you mean that it ruined your interpretation of the story?

Even if you don't agree with it, it still holds facts about FFVII. It clearly explains everything vague in the game and then some. It also helped create some harmony between all the compilation titles.

I meant if you played and completed the game before Advent Children and the Ultimania then you would perceive things differently.

You played it through with that updated guide to the storyline so your views of what happened will be different from mine.

I think the Ultimania was a good idea, It helped explain a lot of things but it also made some weird changes that would spoil playing the game through knowing them, it would make it less fun for me.

There are a few examples in the storyline that looking from the Ultimania point of view will change them completely.

Unfortunately, there wasn't.

We do know that Aerith loved Cloud. Cloud though, held stronger feelings for Tifa. I think Aerith was precious to him though.

I know there wasn't, I'm just saying that I'd like some, maybe in the remake or something like that. Cloud had stronger feelings for Tifa because he was around her since childhood, for Cloud to develop any feelings towards her being as cold as he can be then it says something to me.

xxx

Akemmi

 

[paoo]

Unfortunately, there wasn't.

We do know that Aerith loved Cloud. Cloud though, held stronger feelings for Tifa. I think Aerith was precious to him though.

But then again.. We have the Clack pr00fz.

Spoiler

Zack: Cloud, you know what I told you. Cloud: Yeah, I promised I would stay virgin until I could meet you again in heaven. *Cloud moves away from Tifa's bed*

 

[I Am Not Me]

@ Akemmi: Nope. I finished the game first, and just came by the Ultimania recently.

Edit:

Also, the Ultimania didn't really change how I percieved the game. I guess the Ultimania was spot on what I thought of the storyline. It didn't disappoint me because of that.

And:

But then again.. We have the Clack pr00fz.

Spoiler

Zack: Cloud, you know what I told you. Cloud: Yeah, I promised I would stay virgin until I could meet you again in heaven. *Cloud moves away from Tifa's bed*

You do realize that you're made of awesome win, right?

It's total proofz It's in the Ultimania!

 

[Akemmi]

@ Akemmi: Nope. I finished the game first, and just came by the Ultimania recently.

Edit:

Also, the Ultimania didn't really change how I percieved the game. I guess the Ultimania was spot on what I thought of the storyline. It didn't disappoint me because of that.

And:


You do realize that you're made of awesome win, right?

It's total proofz It's in the Ultimania!

Riiight. So you knew that Sephiroth was the one in control of Jenova despite the game saying she is a thousand year old manipulative highly intelligent alien who took out the Cetra?

 

[I Am Not Me]

Riiight. So you knew that Sephiroth was the one in control of Jenova despite the game saying she is a thousand year old manipulative highly intelligent alien who took out the Cetra?

First, why are you being all hostile on me all of a sudden?

Secondly, I said 'didn't really'. It cleared some things up for me, but some of my interpretations were correct. If they should even be called interpretations. As for that, I was a bit confused about that, but who wasn't? I didn't know, I figured. The Ultimania helped me out of my confusion and prevented me from asking most n00bish questions.

Asking me questions like that isn't going to get us anywhere D:


Edit: Anyhow, I'm going to sleep now. Talk to you guyz tomorrow!

Oh, and Akemmi, try to see the points of the others too. I'm not the only with an opinion here.

 

[Akemmi]

First, why are you being all hostile on me all of a sudden?

Secondly, I said 'didn't really'. It cleared some things up for me, but some of my interpretations were correct. If they should even be called interpretations. As for that, I was a bit confused about that, but who wasn't? I didn't know, I figured. The Ultimania helped me out of my confusion and prevented me from asking most n00bish questions.

Asking me questions like that isn't going to get us anywhere D:

Sorry I didn't mean to offend you, I didn't intend it to be that way.

You just came across that you were saying to me that you interpreted everything correctly on the first time playing it around and I felt bad because I didn't.

xxx

Akemmi

 

[Eerie]

but I still want proof that Cloud and Aerith loved each other.

Well, that's also what we ask the cleriths who come here; where, in the game, the REAL Cloud shows anything that could be romantic - aside from when she died, because of course that had to be poignant.

I've yet got to be convinced about that. Yes, he cared about her - of course he did! Everyone cared about her too. So, to me, that's a moot point. In his actions, I don't think the ZCloud was prone to show any romantic interest towards any of the girls - they said so, that ZCloud was wise to none of them, even if they both harbored romantic feelings for him.

To you, it seems obvious because you played the game that way. You could also be a total jerk to Aerith, ignore Tifa, be sweet to Tifa, etc. The ZCloud is basically the player having fun, that is. However, you cannot play with his feelings anymore when you begin Disc 2 (when he suddenly goes "your actions were all what mattered to me, Tifa"). And that Cloud is totally gaga over Tifa (I mean, come on! You could make him STEAL her PANTIES!). So, where did you see that this Cloud held any romantic feelings for Aerith? That is my question, beyond what the creators can say - what made you think that he fell in love in 15 mere days?

BTW, I have to say, I did read ALL the posts in this thread before joining. It was lulz-worthy, I tell you. XD

 

[Channy]

So do I, that's why I said it because we don't want anymore cleriths running away

besides Channy, that one is a true martyr. She should have her own altar dedicated to her.

orly? Does everybody think this way?

I read the whole damn thread before I posted, wankers.

But I can understanding 300 plus pages of Cloti PWNage wankage would be hard to sift through. Not to mention some of the repeats.

To sum up:

Cloti Clerith is by and large considered the main canon couple of FFVII

Zerith is also canon, because Aerith is such a playa

Sub-couples of debate: **shrug** I don't care about so I'm leaving those out.

Evidence from compilation and creators support this unequivocally. The only question that remains in the air is can anyone show evidence of Cloud having genuine romantic interest in Tifa, as there is no doubt the "Bar Maidl" was good to go had feelings for short, blond and spiky.

 

[paoo]

(I mean, come on! You could make him STEAL her PANTIES!).

About that thing...
I have always thought it was her bra (because she got huge boobs, you all know that), but he was stealing her panties, yes. So why would Tifa need a pair of orthopedic panties?
Anyway.. The only thing I can think of is when the real Cloud was showing feelings for Aerith is when he is nagging: "Aerith......" All the time.
But so does the others too.
Hmmmm, it's hard. And in AC he says: "But... I let you die."
But he also feels guilt over Zack's death.

Evidence from compilation and creators support this unequivocally. The only question that remains in the air is can anyone show evidence of Cloud having genuine romantic interest in Tifa, as there is no doubt the "Bar Maidl" was good to go had feelings for short, blond and spiky.

1. Cloud was secretly in love with Tifa when they were young.
2. Cloud carresses her check in LO and CC.
3. Cloud blushes infront of her.
4. Cloud wants to start a new life with her, but this time it's 'kind of different'.
5. "Cloud and Tifa came to realize their feelings for eachother in the end of the story.."
6. Tifa is Cloud's ideal girlfriend.
7. Tifa is called Cloud's koibito.
8. Cloud keeps their promise close to his heart.
9. His mind/memories are full of Tifa.

Phew, how much more do we need?

 

[Channy]

WHERE DOES HE BLUSH?! I've yet to see this.

 

[paoo]

WHERE DOES HE BLUSH?! I've yet to see this.

When Tifa and Cloud were alone, Cloud said, “It’s not like you to be troubled by your thoughts.”
“It’s… Just the way I am.”
“No. You’re much more cheerful and strong. If you’ve forgotten the way you were then, I’ll be there to remind you.”
“You really will?”
“Probably,” Cloud said blushing.

-Case of Tifa

 

[Channy]

Oh figures. ALL THIS EVIDENCE is in something I cba to read.