The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Dashell]

But it never says Cloud was living with Tifa in DoC. He could still be in the church bathing in magic healing water and eating .... eating.... Clerith Waffles every day.. with a fork... and... sporks are funny lol...

imgoingback tobed

 

[A]

Cloud and Tifa will always be together.

There's also a quote in the DoC booklet, but I can't exactly remember what it is... I think it goes something like this:

After revealing their mutual feelings to each other, Cloud and Tifa live together blah blah blah...

And in regards to this thread getting anti-Clerith, to be honest, I have to agree - let's just tone down a little. The Cleriths there are free to talk about us, but if we start talking about them then we'll just be dropping ourselves to the same position they're at. That forum already has a reputation for being notoriously anti-Cloti, and is looked down at for bashing and targeting people. We don't want to make this forum stoop down to that level, so we should just ignore them, otherwise we'll be acting hypocritical. If they keep discussing about us, the only thing that will come out from their side is make the forum's reputation worse than it already is. They can keep BAAAAAAWWWWING for all I care, let's just not do the same. And really, we're just fueling the fire with us talking about them every time they talk about us. It's like we're starting a flame war here, and we don't want that happening. We should just stop before things actually turn serious and people start taking jabs at others. It just sucks that we can't reach to a mutual agreement. I just hope that the CxA forum doesn't stoop deeper into it's anti-Cloti ways, and this forum doesn't become anti-Clerith.







... Don't kill me.

EDIT:

Where the hell are you guys getting all those posts from anyways?

 

[Ladyofmoonlight]

I think there was some debate over whether or not DoC or CoD came first. Denzel mentions he's "just 10" in CoD. We know he's 8 going on 9 in AC, which I believe took place in November...? And DoC is in January or something a little over a year later... I used to have this all in my head, I swear. Anyway, it's entirely possible that Case of Denzel in fact takes place a year after Advent Children, right before Dirge of Cerberus, and three years after FFVII. Nothing ever states that Cloud and Tifa are still living together either, but there's more going for it than going against. I believe it says in an Ultimania that at the end of AC Cloud returns back home, but nothing ever says he leaves home again and his continued presence in the lives of Denzel and Tifa without any acknowledgement of him moving out would make you conclude that he did come home to stay.

Also, wasn't he away from home for like a week or less? I thought CoT lead straight up to AC and the phone call at the end was the phone call at the beginning of the film, which would make sense since during the day of the phone call (in CoT) it says the bar is empty and Tifa has to wash dishes, and Marlene is tending to a sick Denzel, all of which is going on in the beginning of AC. I do believe that's also listed in an Ultimania though, and he was gone a very short period of time.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Yes but anything that isn't included in the regular part of the story itself is fanon, no matter who came up with it. Also if someone misinterprets something then it automatically means it was meant to be ambiguous and people have the right to think anything is canon that they want, because after a story is published it no longer belongs to the author/creator but to the fans so the author/creator has no right to say what is right/wrong.

I'm not making this up, I've seen people argue this. Not Cleriths, though, people who fought tooth and nail for neutrality so that they would have the freedom to read and write their precious fanfiction without hindrance. Of course I don't see why a set canon would hinder fanfiction but I guess it bothered these individuals.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor

In the fan community this has changed into the idea that something is only canon if it appears in the original source material, and thus any Word Of God has no more weight to it than any piece of fanon cooked up by the fans. Though some fans honestly hold this opinion, many (perhaps most) only use this as an excuse to ignore any Word Of God that they don't like. Some fans can even take this further, and use this to ignore parts of original source material that they don't like.

QED

Ryu Kaze isn't the Ryu here, but he was on ACF.

Okay I thought so, but just wanted to be sure since their names are really darn similar.

Guys, I just wanted to point out that some of you could be nicer to CloudXAerith shippers.

You call them stuff, quoting them, etc.

Yeah what the hell do you assholes think you're doing quoting exactly what people have said in public verbatim? Don't you know it's against the rules to use someone's own words in any manner that doesn't support the point they wanted to make?

You Clotis are MEAN.


Also, CoD specifically says that Meteorfall occurred 4 years before he was sitting there having that conversation with Reeve.

Four years ago, when the Lifestream came flowing out from the earth, many residents believed that it was the downfall of Midgar.

http://www.ff7citadel.com/compilation/ac_smile_denzel.shtml

Now where it says that Tifa and Cloud are still living together as of that time I'll leave up to someone else to find, as I cba to read beyond that at the moment. But it's definitely 4 years after Meteorfall that Denzel is telling his story to Reeve that day. And DoC occurred 3 years after Meteorfall.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's very likely, Case of Denzel takes place *after* DC, considering Deepground is the only threat the WRO has had to deal with militarily, in terms of protecting the planet. Reeve states:

"First, know that we are different from long ago. The time when we would welcome any recruit is long passed. If you just want to be a volunteer to help revive this place then just go contact the leader of this area. The WRO is now an army."

The only conflict the WRO was made into an army...was against Deepground SOLDIER. Given that and Denzel's age, this is a post DC story.

Also, Cloud and Tifa are specifically mentioned several times living together after AC. So that argument is bullshit.

 

[Celes Chere]

You call them stuff, quoting them, etc. And then you expect them to come here and debate? I don't think so...

Well, my last quote from there actually got that person I quoted to find my MSN and talk to me. I tried convincing him/her to post here, but of course, that person is afraid of being bashed and flamed. Is anyone in here interested in bashing and flaming a member who posts their views respectfully? No, I didn't think so. Anyway, he/she may join, and he/she may not.

The Cleriths that actually joined here felt picked on, probably because of all the responses that were given. I think we should go by what (I think it was Seto) said earlier, and not respond if something has already been said so that 80 billion of us aren't responding back to one person. I also explained that this is a debate thread (Well, new title and all. . . ) , and that it's for proving a point, not stating an opinion. If they wanted to state their opinion without it being analyzed and responded to, they should really do that in the Clerith Clubs because those areas are free from debate.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

And on that note, no one is preventing them from enjoying a Clerith Club in the Clubs forum btw.

Given that and Denzel's age, this is a post DC story.

It's a post DC story because the timeline says DC happened in (late) 0010 and CoD says Meteorfall (January 0008) happened 4 years before CoD. That places CoD in 0011 or 0012.

 

[Makoeyes987]

You know, one thing really baffles me.

Why are the Cleriths the ones that get butthurt, sensitive, hurt, offended, etc, so easily, if their pairing or "interpretation" of the story gets attacked? Maybe its my lack of experience, but I've never seen any fan of Cloud/Tifa getting butthurt, offended or "ran away" in regards to the LT debate or any discussion of it. How is it one fanbase is so hypersensitive regarding this? Why are they so scared/apprehensive, to actually get their hands dirty and debate the facts? Why do they have to feel "safe" to prove something they feel is so right?

Isn't that a bit strange?

 

[Strangelove]

Is anyone in here interested in bashing and flaming a member who posts their views respectfully?

Yes.

I mean, no. No.

I'll just ban them.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

I'd answer that but I suspect it was rhetorical.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's an honest question and observation. Seriously

I would think that if they feel they're so right, and its canon truth, then how is it they're so skittish and shy in proving the facts?

 

[Celes Chere]

I would think that if they feel they're so right, and its canon truth, then how is it they're so skittish and shy in proving the facts?

That's really an easy question to answer.
1.Feel attacked.
2.Feel the other side is delusional.
3.Have debated their views too many times, and are tired of it.
4.Feel unwelcomed.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[A]

If they all came here to argue with us, it'd probably turn to a huge fledged flame war. We'd start taking sides, and we'd be talking behind each others backs - just what happened in the Northern Crater. They have some stupid venting forum for 'each side,' meaning they could rant out on people they disliked whilst they were debating.







Not that I protest against something like that...

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

That's really an easy question to answer.
1.Feel attacked.
2.Feel the other side is delusional.
3.Have debated their views too many times, and are tired of it.
4.Feel unwelcomed.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

That doesn't hold up because the same could be said of the Cloti side.

Cloti has actual canon to support it and Clerith is reaching, thus Cloti feels more secure while Clerith more keenly feels the stress of being under attack. That's the answer I thought was obvious.

 

[Max Payne]

If they all came here to argue with us, it'd probably turn to a huge fledged flame war. We'd start taking sides, and we'd be talking behind each others backs - just what happened in the Northern Crater. They have some stupid venting forum for 'each side,' meaning they could rant out on people they disliked whilst they were debating.







Not that I protest against something like that...

We would not allow flaming of any sort here, so no.

 

[Vendel]

4 years? there's only 2 years between the end of FFVII and AC.

As has been pointed out. CoD takes place a year after DoC. I was going on the assumption that Cloud and Tifa are still together (crazy I know).

You know, one thing really baffles me.

Why are the Cleriths the ones that get butthurt, sensitive, hurt, offended, etc, so easily, if their pairing or "interpretation" of the story gets attacked? Maybe its my lack of experience, but I've never seen any fan of Cloud/Tifa getting butthurt, offended or "ran away" in regards to the LT debate or any discussion of it. How is it one fanbase is so hypersensitive regarding this? Why are they so scared/apprehensive, to actually get their hands dirty and debate the facts? Why do they have to feel "safe" to prove something they feel is so right?

Isn't that a bit strange?

Well when one side argues that Cloud is romantically involved with the woman he is living with and raising a family. And the other thinks it's more likely that a dead person is physically living inside of Cloud's body and can physically manifest just for him.

Then I think deep down they do know it's complete bullshit. But they would never admit that. So better to avoid conflict.

 

[paoo]

Yeah what the hell do you assholes think you're doing quoting exactly what people have said in public verbatim? Don't you know it's against the rules to use someone's own words in any manner that doesn't support the point they wanted to make?

You Clotis are MEAN.

I meant the thing when you copy comments from the Clerith forums and such.

I do believe they are afraid. Just because they are afraid of being flamed and... yeah. And we always want answers from them, and evidence.
But that is called debating, folks. I mean.. if we all can be nice to eachother I'm sure it could work out fine. But the thing is that maybe some are waaay too rabid to be nice these days. And by that I mean both Cloti and Clerith-fans. And that's really sad.

Hmmm.. to change the subject a little.
I know Cloud and Tifa have evidence for being in love. Like; "They came to realize their feelings for eachother in the end of the story.."
And none of that is mentioned in the relationship between Cloud and Aerith, so why are those two shown in commercials and etc.? And why not Cloud and Tifa?

Examples:

The Potion-Drink commercial: Cloud(drink) and Aerith(drink)'s head are against eachother. Tifa(drink) isn't even beside Cloud or anything.
Itadaki Street Special: Cloud and Aerith is together for the whole Opening.
FF7 commercial: "A love that could never be.." You all know what I'm talking about.

 

[A]

And none of that is mentioned in the relationship between Cloud and Aerith, so why are those two shown in commercials and etc.? And why not Cloud and Tifa?

1. Merchandising. The 'commercials,' aren't even created by the creators of the game. Do we see Nojima or Nomura making up lines for the commercial? No, because that's not their job. That's why we have advertising agencies - they're in charge of promoting the game.
2. A LOVE THAT COULD NEVER BE.
3. A hatred that always was, in regards to Cloud and Sephiroth. If the creators actually did create the commercial themselves, you'd think they'd be smart enough to know that Cloud didn't always hate Sephiroth. He admired Sephiroth at a young age.

In regards to the Itadaki Street Special, what's so special about that? They're shown together, big deal. That doesn't make them a canon couple.

And how the fuck is a Potion-Drink commercial with Cloud's drink and Aerith's drink together make it canon?

LOOKIE. CLOUD AND TIFA ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. TTLY CANONZ.

And Cloud and Tifa have as much merchandise as Cloud and Aerith have:

 

[paoo]

1. Merchandising. The 'commercials,' aren't even created by the creators of the game. Do we see Nojima or Nomura making up lines for the commercial? No, because that's not their job. That's why we have advertising agencies - they're in charge of promoting the game.
2. A LOVE THAT COULD NEVER BE.
3. A hatred that always was, in regards to Cloud and Sephiroth. If the creators actually did create the commercial themselves, you'd think they'd be smart enough to know that Cloud didn't always hate Sephiroth. He admired Sephiroth at a young age.

In regards to the Itadaki Street Special, what's so special about that? They're shown together, big deal. That doesn't make them a canon couple.

And how the fuck is a Potion-Drink commercial with Cloud's drink and Aerith's drink together make it canon?

LOOKIE. CLOUD AND TIFA ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. TTLY CANONZ.

And Cloud and Tifa have as much merchandise as Cloud and Aerith have:

WOAH. Chill out!
I just wanted to have something to debate, or talking about.
And that's what... most of the Cleriths think as proofs.

 

[A]

I wasn't directing that towards you, just in general.

 

[paoo]

I wasn't directing that towards you, just in general.

I..... see....

 

[Edley]

"Son, you were conceived on top of a motorcycle."

 

[Vendel]

"Son, you were conceived on top of a motorcycle."

CANON!



Although I wonder how Aerith felt. Living inside Cloud.....

 

[Celes Chere]

Don't forget the AC keychains. <3 The Cloti Itadeki commercial. <3 Cloti Notebook. <3 Cloti Keychain. <3

Seriously, there's plenty of Cloti merchandise out there. I remember Clerith's making a huge deal out of that AC Cloud plushie who was holding a mini Aerith in his hands. I actually saw that plushie at Anime Detour and I wanted it so bad. XD It's just so cuuute.

 

[paoo]

I remember Clerith's making a huge deal out of that AC Cloud plushie who was holding a mini Aerith in his hands. I actually saw that plushie at Anime Detour and I wanted it so bad. XD It's just so cuuute.

Was that one even made by SE?
Anyway, it's really adorable. <3
And Cloti Notebook, huh?