The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[paoo]

Actually, they sound like they'll murder someone or jump off a bridge if Tifa produces a spiky-haired kid... "

... They sound like they need help...

Spoiler

Cloti is canon

^ If you support Clerith as canon, I'm warning you. This contains spoilers that will make you send bombs to Nomura and kill someone.

 

[Isabella]

So I have a question to ask anyone who feels like answering. I recently read a couple of Clerith fans say that Cloud holding Tifa and caressing her cheek in CC is a retcon to appease rabid Clotis and its canonicity is questionable.

Now, these same people will argue that SE is trying to send fans a message in AUs. Anyone else see the problem here? Why do scenes added to AUs carry more weight than scenes added to the canon compilation?

 

[Ⓐaron]

Because if it supports CloudxAerith, it's canon and supports the creators' original intention. If it supports CloudxTifa, it's just retconning.

 

[Makoeyes987]

So I have a question to ask anyone who feels like answering. I recently read a couple of Clerith fans say that Cloud holding Tifa and caressing her cheek in CC is a retcon to appease rabid Clotis and its canonicity is questionable.

Now, these same people will argue that SE is trying to send fans a message in AUs. Anyone else see the problem here? Why do scenes added to AUs carry more weight than scenes added to the canon compilation?

Because it's Aerith, and Tifa's a dirty skankwhore who has no importance or relevance to Cloud, the Compilation, or the story as a whole.

She's a dirty mary sue who wasn't even meant to be in FFVII in the first place but was slid in, on the last minute because they stupidly wanted to kill Aerith off and thus needed a fill in female hero. But Aerith of course is the true hero, and true love in FFVII.

Aerith has more weight in terms of importance because she's the REAL woman. Not the fanservice woman who dresses up like a whore.

God you ask such obvious questions!

 

[Frostwave]

Because if it supports CloudxAerith, it's canon and supports the creators' original intention. If it supports CloudxTifa, it's just retconning.

Not at all hypocritical, am I right?

 

[Ⓐaron]

Clearly not.

 

[Isabella]

Well, I was hoping someone could explain it from a Clerith perspective in a way that made sense. I guess I won't hold my breath.

 

[Ⓐaron]

I don't think there is a way that makes sense.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well, I was hoping someone could explain it from a Clerith perspective in a way that made sense. I guess I won't hold my breath.

...I did.

Spoiler

ZING!

 

[Frostwave]

Well, I was hoping someone could explain it from a Clerith perspective in a way that made sense. I guess I won't hold my breath.

Yeah, don't. We'd like to keep you around, Bella.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

I recently read a couple of Clerith fans say that Cloud holding Tifa and caressing her cheek in CC is a retcon to appease rabid Clotis and its canonicity is questionable.

The validity of something as canon IN THE COMPILATION itself was questioned?

I question the validity of the statements that Cloud has undying feelings for Aerith. It's just something in a stupid book added to appease rabid Cleriths.

*facepalm*

 

[Isabella]

The validity of something as canon IN THE COMPILATION itself was questioned?

Not depicted in the original game = fanservice for rabid Clotis.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yeah, just like how us "Clotis" started spewing rage and vomit when Aerith called Cloud her koibito and we would change the definition of the word because Aerith said it and...Oh wait.

So I have a question to ask anyone who feels like answering. I recently read a couple of Clerith fans say that Cloud holding Tifa and caressing her cheek in CC is a retcon to appease rabid Clotis and its canonicity is questionable.

Now, these same people will argue that SE is trying to send fans a message in AUs. Anyone else see the problem here? Why do scenes added to AUs carry more weight than scenes added to the canon compilation?

Because those AU scenes look pink to them. The AU bits that don't look pink get ignored. For example, a major kerfluffle is made of Ehrgeiz's 2P mode and having Cloud and Tifa fight, but no one has ever, to my knowledge- outside of DesFail's snark- noted that Cloud and Tifa are Guardian and Summoner and what that might mean.
Similarly, they made this romantic light/ inner light divide nonsense, and still try and dismiss the obvious 'Tifa is Cloud's light' because they're still so invested in Aerith being it.

But yes, That's like trying to find the ZOMFG TRUTH To a story by a character's cameo somewhere else.

No, wait, that's EXACTLY what it is. Only more ludicrous.

Not depicted in the original game = fanservice for rabid Clotis.

No, even if depicted in FF7 itself , if C/T is mere fanservice for rabids. Hence why it's 'All in the past' with C/T, but Cloud will pine forever for the girl no one can ever show he loved while she was alive...

The validity of something as canon IN THE COMPILATION itself was questioned?

I question the validity of the statements that Cloud has undying feelings for Aerith. It's just something in a stupid book added to appease rabid Cleriths.

*facepalm*

PS, these people at one point said CC was acanonical. At the same time, they insist Dissidia and FFT and KH are Trufax and more pink than pink itself.

Tangent: Apparently merging the two posts has removed the thanks from both. Anyone who had thanked it and still wants to ought to rethank it.

 

[Isabella]

I'm just chuckling at the idea that canon stuff is considered "fanservice" and AUs are gospel. XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

I'm just chuckling at the idea that canon stuff is considered "fanservice" and AUs are gospel. XD

Well, remember, the standard- speaking of gospel- is to assume the truth of what they want to be true, so the things which support it better are true, and things which don't are not.

It's like how fundamentalists view Creation and dismiss evolution or any number of other things.

 

[Vendel]

I'm just chuckling at the idea that canon stuff is considered "fanservice" and AUs are gospel. XD

Well since we are on the topic.

Told you I had a lot on hand.

 

[paoo]

You know the rapids...
Seriously, calling us "stupid rabid Cloti's" don't make sense.

"Cloud and Tifa came to realize their feelings for eachother in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC."

Pfffh. Why don't we get it? It could be any feeling. Feelings of Friendship for example. Cloud and Tifa probably were friends at the beginning, but whatever. And "came to realize their feelings for eachother" is never a sentence you use for two persons who are in love. And btw, SE are just lying!!

Wait.... o_o

"Cloud and Aerith met eachother in the Church of Sector 7."

CANON. ROMANTIC. TRUE CLERITH LOVE.

 

[Makoeyes987]

You know that post begs an even greater question though...

What the fuck is that fish smiley supposed to represent?

 

[Vendel]

You know that post begs an even greater question though...

What the fuck is that fish smiley supposed to represent?

The Koi fish of love?

 

[paoo]

It's like our Cookie Monster.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Are you serious?

I really don't know, it looks so fucking ridiculous and its used in such inconsistent context

@xAerith

Cookie Monster is cooler though.

 

[paoo]

Cookie Monster pwns everything tho.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Well since we are on the topic.

Told you I had a lot on hand.

You might not like it, girl (I assume it's a girl, statistically it would be), but they did put it, and a lot of other things into CC for a very good reason.
They've also actually been pretty consistent with showing, if not exactly that, then something between Cloud and Tifa during that bit, so it's hardly a one off thing.

You know that post begs an even greater question though...

What the fuck is that fish smiley supposed to represent?

It's like the Cookie monster, but even less coherent.

Addendum: Question, did anyone actually squee at that? I 'aww'ed a bit, but that's it.

 

[paoo]

I got hyper and... *squeal squeal*
I'm such a fangirl.

 

[Frostwave]

Yeah, no squee for me either. I admit to being a shipper(though it's never overridden logic for me), but naw.