The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Ryushikaze]

Amen to all of that, DS.

Though speaking of Gamefaqs, the old LTDs there were good times.

They keep propping up from time to time too.

 

[Celes Chere]

Maybe someone should go and tell them.

So very, very tempted. Rofl.

The Northern Crater is dead and will never come back. Why the hell would they open up a forum for people to constantly prove them wrong and showcase their arguments are paper thin?

True, that's the very reason they closed it in the first place. Ze Cloti just kept attacking and stalking members and besides, it's not like they have time in their busy lives to reply to one simple question. Hm, strange. They seem to have plenty of time to post rants about members, and they seemed to have plenty of time when hardly any Clotis were responding at all.


It's on hiatus until June. And it's June, almost everyone has seen ACC, or at least read about it. So it should be ready to open back up by now. A part of me is wondering why they aren't excited to reopen it considering how jumping for joy they are about the Aerith koibito line.

I'm still waiting on that saved Word Document....

Lol, me too. It was supposed to be PMed to me... but... after two weeks I doubted it was coming.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I don't even have the page's information stored anywhere any longer. I really doubt it's coming back. If it does, it's still a sad shell of a forum, only really lingering on because one person really didn't want it to die.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Oh, and a few folks have tried taking on ACC, and a few have admitted that it kills their back to back = Romance shit, but they insist the extra ending is C/A oriented somehow, and there's nothing Z/A to it at all, because Aerith isn't associated with those particular flowers in ACC. Of course, those are the same folks who insist AC's second credits with 'calling' still counts, and that the flowers in Dissidia mean Aerith.

It's cute you mention that, I posted on CxA forums that ACC had a very "Clack" feeling based on what I heard, the back to back scene in particular. Consensus of the replies was "the back to back scene was never romantic"........



If I can find the post I'll quote it here.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

That's because Clack is very canon. It doesn't even make the debate, it's so canon.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Here they are

Gotta say this movie confuses me. Seems like just a rehash of the original Advent Children with more scenes with Zack and the Remnants.

My Clack-y sense is certainly tingling here. It's a bit off-putting that Zack gets such a big role now, especially when, unless I'm missing something, some of his scenes either usurp or replace Aerith's. I mean, Clerith beliefs aside, Aerith is a Cetra, she has spiritual power, whereas Zack is just a human. Hmmm......iz not pleezed.

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Okay, and there's a scene where Zack and Cloud stand back to back in whitespace? WTF? Did the creators just like, mentally white-out Aerith, go "who the hell is she" and replace her with Zack everywhere? Clack-y sense is going nuts......

 

[Ryushikaze]

I don't think the creators were 'whiting out' Aerith so much as they were trying to note that Zack was also important. That folks are getting 'Clacky' overtones from it, I think, might really go a long way to point out the speciousness of any 'Clerithy' overtones in the movie. In a way, I actually do agree with the folks who say the back to back whitespace was never really romantic.

I just wish they had always been saying it was never romantic, instead of suddenly changing tune as of ACC.

So what were some of the responses, Drake?

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Some agreed, more disagreed.

 

[Death Sin]

*Salutes Ryu.* Never thought anyone would even remember me after so long... Honestly. XD

Now about the back to back scenes...

...Well, if anything if you ask me, that is), what those two scenes represent is that both Aerith and Zack are equally important to Cloud and, in a way, represent his guilt/fear to lose another dear companion/friend again. We already knew that BOTH Zack and Aerith are/were important to Cloud, so there's nothing really new there. The only thing "new" is when people try to see more than what the scene (s) depict and, if you put the two scenes on equal ground and side by side, you can easily perceive that not only they are very similar in essence but also deny any romantic connotions that some might have implied when considering them seperately.

...Unless, of course, you think Cloud is/was interested in both Zack and Aerith

 

[lisette]

Hello! Just have a few monkeyshines issues that were bothering me (sorry if they've already been addressed):

- While I agree Cloud was never in love with Aerith, did you guys really not think he had any romantic interest in her at all? A lot of their interactions seemed distinctly flirtatious to me. Of course, we'll never know for sure which actions he was responsible for and which were Zack's/various other personas', but we can't rule out the possibility that some were indeed his, and thus representative of his true feelings. After all, if he could genuinely feel affection, concern, grief, etc for Aerith (and the other party members) during disc 1 - feelings that carried over even AFTER he regained his true self - I don't think it's impossible for him to have felt (slight) attraction or romantic interest for her as well. Not that it really does much for the C/A-is-canon cause...

- Also, in regards to Cloud and Tifa sharing a bed/room: I agree that it's a logical explanation for Cloud's lack of reaction to Tifa's presence at his bedside, but there's one line that keeps me from adopting it as the right one:

Hearing that, Tifa lost control and said, "Then drink in your room."

Does she just mean his office? But why wouldn't she just say "office"? Or is this just a problem of translation (eg. the original Japanese just said "drink in room" or something like that without saying whose room it was?)

 

[I Am Not Me]

Well, I agree that there was some slight Clerith going on there, but all the flirtatious things I gathered from there made me think of Zack. Cloud's character is too far away from being flirtatious anyway, and even the Ultimania says that Cloud was none the wiser to Aerith's (and Tifa's) obvious affections towards him. It could be a possibility, but unfortunately Disc 1 Cloud being oblivious to both women throwing themselves at him made me think that he's not interested at all. Meaning, he couldn't have developed too strong feelings that can be carried over after he regained his true self.

Hearing that, Tifa lost control and said, "Then drink in your room."

I took this as a wife telling her husband to "sleep on the couch". It's like Tifa telling him that, except with different words. She labeled his office as his room, separating it from their room.

 

[Eerie]

Yeah, I thought the cot was going to be of use that night

As for Cloud's being flirtatious, not only he's not really interested, but we also know that if the player choses to be flirtatious with Aerith, it can be explained with Jenova wanting to get closer to Aerith... they really thought about everything at SE, to kill anything remotely romantic from Disc One lol.

I wonder though, what's the reply in Cloud being interested in Tifa in Disc One?

As far as I know, Jenova is just really the player when it comes to Cloud's feelings in Disc One. XD

 

[I Am Not Me]

OMG!

So this means Jenova = Player?!

PLOT TWIST

 

[Eerie]

For Cloud's feelings, pretty much

For the rest, we all know it's just Sephiroth

 

[Vendel]

- Also, in regards to Cloud and Tifa sharing a bed/room: I agree that it's a logical explanation for Cloud's lack of reaction to Tifa's presence at his bedside, but there's one line that keeps me from adopting it as the right one:

Does she just mean his office? But why wouldn't she just say "office"? Or is this just a problem of translation (eg. the original Japanese just said "drink in room" or something like that without saying whose room it was?)

After she tells him to drink in his room a couple scenes later is this.

After making certain that Cloud was asleep, she spoke to him.

“We’ll be all right, won’t we?”

Of course, there was no answer. I only heard the sound of him sleeping. I wondered if the fact that he was sleeping here meant that he was part of the family.

The highlighted line is for me the conformation that they are sharing a bed. It is the only thing that makes sense. Replace "here" with anywhere else but her bed and it makes no sense whatsoever. I even asked if it was a translation issue. It isn't.

So unless her telling him to drink alone and them sharing a bed takes place some time apart. The most logical conclusion is that she was telling him to drink in his office (and ride the cot that night).

 

[lisette]

Well, I agree that there was some slight Clerith going on there, but all the flirtatious things I gathered from there made me think of Zack. Cloud's character is too far away from being flirtatious anyway, and even the Ultimania says that Cloud was none the wiser to Aerith's (and Tifa's) obvious affections towards him. It could be a possibility, but unfortunately Disc 1 Cloud being oblivious to both women throwing themselves at him made me think that he's not interested at all. Meaning, he couldn't have developed too strong feelings that can be carried over after he regained his true self.

Yeah, I didn't really think so either (emo!Cloud + smoothtalking = ...does not compute). I just didn't get why some people kept insisting Cloud's feelings for Aerith could only ever have been of the strictly platonic, practically-one-of-the-guys kind, when it WAS (technically) possible for him to have been (somewhat) interested in/attracted to her. After all, she's a non-hideous girl and he's a guy (yes, debatably) - it's just biology. So yeah...possible, but not likely. Seeing as Clack is canon and all

I took this as a wife telling her husband to "sleep on the couch". It's like Tifa telling him that, except with different words. She labeled his office as his room, separating it from their room.

True dis.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Yeah, I didn't really think so either (emo!Cloud + smoothtalking = ...does not compute). I just didn't get why some people kept insisting Cloud's feelings for Aerith could only ever have been of the strictly platonic, practically-one-of-the-guys kind, when it WAS (technically) possible for him to have been (somewhat) interested in/attracted to her. After all, she's a non-hideous girl and he's a guy (yes, debatably) - it's just biology. So yeah...possible, but not likely. Seeing as Clack is canon and all

Look out LTM, we have another Blue Sider/Clacker here! So many are coming out And we all know that the amount of people thinking a couple is canon = TROO CANONZ

Some people are insisting that for the same reason some people are insisting that Cloud thinks Tifa as his mother. However, we're speaking of facts in a debate, and rarely possibilities hence Clack pwning all other pairings. If we use those in a Monkeyshines, then we might as well discuss about the possibilities of Cloud and Palmer getting it on.


It is, in fact, true that Cloud was not interested in Disc 1, because he's oblivious to it (he has to not have any interest if he's oblivious to both pretty ladies). He did have other things to worry about. Besides, if we're going to use the argument that Aerith is non-hideous, then how about Tifa? She has an awesome rack. If I were him, I'd be more interested in the girl with those, and the promise of being a hero being an added bonus to this.


By the way, this promise of saving Tifa... I wonder how this computes with Cloud thinking of her in a motherly way. Do boys usually promise their mothers to save them when they're in trouble?

True dis.

Indeed. Tifa wears the pants in their relationship.

 

[paoo]

While I agree Cloud was never in love with Aerith, did you guys really not think he had any romantic interest in her at all? A lot of their interactions seemed distinctly flirtatious to me. Of course, we'll never know for sure which actions he was responsible for and which were Zack's/various other personas', but we can't rule out the possibility that some were indeed his, and thus representative of his true feelings. After all, if he could genuinely feel affection, concern, grief, etc for Aerith (and the other party members) during disc 1 - feelings that carried over even AFTER he regained his true self - I don't think it's impossible for him to have felt (slight) attraction or romantic interest for her as well. Not that it really does much for the C/A-is-canon cause...

Yes, I agree. It seemed like they were going somewhere, but... PLOT TWIST.
And when the real Cloud talked about Aerith, the others also did.
So he wasn't doing that alone.

And when it's not mentioned in Ultimanias and etc. that Aerith was more than a "mother" to Cloud, then I still doubt he was interested in her.

"The only time he laughs in FFVII is during a conversation with Aerith at the start of the story, when Jenova is still in control of his consciousness."

"Showing up in front of people feeling pained and confused,
Her figure seems like a loving mother."

"And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to having being unable protect those dear to him, she was a major factor in causing him to close himself off."

"In that sense she is like a mother watching over the entire planet, and it gives the feeling that she lives in every part of the world."

It's nothing that says that the real Cloud was interested in her.
But I believe Aerith was interested in him. But that's another point..
She's more of a mother.

Anyway, I do think Cloud and Tifa share a bed, or at least share a bedroom together.

-"Then drink in your room!"

I thought it was more meant as his office. But that's just me..
And yes, Tifa wear the panties. (...I mean, pants.) I forgot Cloud stole them

 

[Vendel]

Indeed. Tifa wears the pants in their relationship.

The snug, leather pants.

 

[Isabella]

I think Cloud could've been developing feelings for Aerith if the player wanted him to. Cloud's romantic leanings were totally in the player's hands on disc one. But either direction you choose to go, the writers still managed to incorporate an explanation for why he was able to go for Tifa, and so soon after Aerith's death.

 

[Vendel]

the writers still managed to incorporate an explanation for why he was able to go for Tifa, and so soon after Aerith's death.

Tifa is a big boobed mini-skirt wearing whore. And Cloud has a penis is easily manipulated.

 

[Celes Chere]

So what were some of the responses, Drake?

Claimed he was Rapid! And burned him alive.
Just kidding.

Or am I.

 

[Edley]

Marlene slept in Tifa's bed early on while Barret was around, so Cloud probably slept in his office at that point. From CoT I infer that Cloud started sharing Tifa's bed afterwards, with Marlene sharing the double bed room we see in AC with Denzel.

Found this interesting as well, Cloud's described to be pretty aloof in the story, but he's perceptive. He's aware of how bringing a sick kid home could affect Tifa, Marlene, and business at the bar. He's also knows Tifa would react adversely to Cloud hanging around Aerith's old church. Between that and getting beaten in the head several times with the word "family" it's apparent that we're supposed to see Cloud and Tifa as more than cohabitants.

Last thing: Was I the only one who thought Elmyra was a closet Clerith shipper?Sending Cloud off to give dead!Aerith flowers... why don't you twist the knife next time!

 

[paoo]

Last thing: Was I the only one who thought Elmyra was a closet Clerith shipper?Sending Cloud off to give dead!Aerith flowers... why don't you twist the knife next time!

Don't you see? Cloud's mom was also a total Clerith-shipper.

-"You should have someone that is older and can take care of you."

Aerith is older, OMG.

...Or was that also one of those plot twists?

 

[I Am Not Me]

I say it was a plot twist. Though Clerith!me did squeal pretty hard at that when I first saw it. Nearly screamed FORESHADOWING OF CANONZ thar.

Methinks it has something to do with that incident with Tifa before in Mt. Nibel. I don't remember Mrs. Strife approving of Tifa, BTW. So she probably said this to try and divert his attention from the younger girl who gets him hurt and get him to try an older girl who'll take care of him.

Although that could be stretching it.

Found this interesting as well, Cloud's described to be pretty aloof in the story, but he's perceptive.

Yes, real!Cloud is pretty perceptive. I'm guessing it comes with the pre-stalker territory. As opposed to Disc1!Cloud who is pretty oblivious and confused, real!Cloud is pretty sharp when it comes to many things.

Spoiler

His interactions with Marlene and Denzel in ACC show this. He knows the going-ons around him

; he can be pretty dense at times though. Which is cute.