The General Turks Worship Thread

[Fangu]

Okay, so topic that came up in #tls:

<Kassi> ...psst... did you push the dot to see what it does?

.......so what does the dot do?

Octo's first guess was it launches nuclear weapons, Ryu suggested it makes him sing and dance, I went for it grows his hair. Other suggestions?

(Anything to revive this thread......)

 

[Octo]

Hey the thread isn't dead....its just resting! :p

It bothers me that the dot is never explained though. I think it was probably just put there to distinguish him from the many long haired bishie characters you get in games/anime. :/

 

[Soakette]

Okay, so topic that came up in #tls:




.......so what does the dot do?

Octo's first guess was it launches nuclear weapons, Ryu suggested it makes him sing and dance, I went for it grows his hair. Other suggestions?

He farts... duh

 

[Kassi]

I think, like shooting 'Mongo' in 'Blazing Saddles,' at the very least it makes Tseng mad.

But I really came here to do a Reno post, it's my first one here and I'm intimidated, so I'm sorry if it's out of line, and bear in mind these are all my personal opinions & tastes. Take them all with a grain of salt...

In Defense of Reno

Yeah, Cloud&#8217;s twelve kinds of awesome that don&#8217;t quit. Also twelve kinds of sulky that don&#8217;t quit, and I&#8217;ve more than enough of that on my own. I need a redheaded angry passionate fighter who can flop anywhere, laugh at anything and look beautiful even when falling and failing. And come up swinging. I want that hot piece of fiction for my own. Nothing IRL can beat that yet.

Contrite, blue-eyed, red-haired, skinny, tattooed (at least that's what I believe they are), short-tempered, passionate, bendy, dexterous, strong, hardworking, dedicated, stylish, floppy, talkative, arrogant, persistent, hilarious, gorgeous bad-ass GQ motherfrakker with a Ph.D. in Kicking Your Ass, willing to accept personal responsibility and atone for grievous wrongs, sporting the only mullet that has ever looked good in the history of hair. Also&#8212;if the fanfiction is to be believed&#8212;incessant slut.

I find Reno, for my money: less moody than Cloud or Vincent, less ornery than Cid, less emotionally unavailable than Rude, less loud than Barrett, less angsty than Tifa, less inexperienced than Elena, less dead than Aeris, less shrill than Yuffie, less reserved than Tseng, less manipulative than Rufus, less psychotic than Sephiroth, less absent than Reeve.

Plus, look at those freakin' clavicle bones. Om nom nom.

<3
Kassi

 

[Morello]

Hi - I've been on holiday, and I've missed so much! Thank you everyone for all the great pictures posted, especially the Reno ones.

I really wanted to get involved in the erotic fiction discussion, but that's gone by now, so briefly - I never found any that did much for me until I discovered fan fiction. Nancy Friday's books were interesting at the time, just from an "oh so other people think those kinds of things too" point of view.

Kassi - another Reno fangirl! OH GOOD! I have to second your entire post apart from two small things - I don't really think he's all that contrite (but I love him anyway), and I still believe his eyes are as much green as blue. Maybe it varies depending how much Cure he's had recently?

As for Tseng's dot - in the original game I found it very useful for distinguishing him from Reeve. Or perhaps he uses it to hypnotise people?

 

[Octo]

Hi - I've been on holiday, and I've missed so much! Thank you everyone for all the great pictures posted, especially the Reno ones.

Welcome back

I really wanted to get involved in the erotic fiction discussion, but that's gone by now, so briefly - I never found any that did much for me until I discovered fan fiction. Nancy Friday's books were interesting at the time, just from an "oh so other people think those kinds of things too" point of view.

If you want we could start another thread for that? I have the Nancy Friday books too! I think they should be required reading for women!

Kassi - another Reno fangirl! OH GOOD! I have to second your entire post apart from two small things - I don't really think he's all that contrite (but I love him anyway), and I still believe his eyes are as much green as blue. Maybe it varies depending how much Cure he's had recently?

Lets compromise and say Turquoise

As for Tseng's dot - in the original game I found it very useful for distinguishing him from Reeve. Or perhaps he uses it to hypnotise people?

THAT EXPLAINS IT!

I never had too much trouble telling the difference between him and Reeve, he's got his little beardy thing goin on and his hair is different and IIRC his suit is a lighter colour? But I know what you mean, I think they wanted to give people distinguishing characteristics cos those blocky characters were very samey.

 

[Morello]

If you want we could start another thread for that? I have the Nancy Friday books too! I think they should be required reading for women!

Yes definitely! I remember reading a lot of comments by men when those books came out saying things to the effect that they were a hoax written by men because women don't think about these things!


Re Reno's eyes:
Lets compromise and say Turquoise

I'm very happy with turquoise.



I never had too much trouble telling the difference between him and Reeve, he's got his little beardy thing goin on and his hair is different and IIRC his suit is a lighter colour? But I know what you mean, I think they wanted to give people distinguishing characteristics cos those blocky characters were very samey.

And the weird thing is, now I think about it I don't think you can really see Tseng's dot for most of the original game anyway. I just remember thinking after climbing on the loo and watching the meeting, that Reeve was Tseng. I think I thought Tseng had a beard too, at first. I was just confused, (and had a tiny TV, so making out anything much was tricky)!

On a technical point - I can't get the hang of quoting here. All I can get it to do is quote someone's entire post. What am I doing wrong please?

 

[Kassi]

Kassi - another Reno fangirl! OH GOOD! I have to second your entire post apart from two small things - I don't really think he's all that contrite (but I love him anyway), and I still believe his eyes are as much green as blue. Maybe it varies depending how much Cure he's had recently?

Hooray, we are not alone! [dances]

I think as far as 'contrite' I was going for an expression what he says in Healen to Rude about atonement. Atonement, contrition -- he's not overall contrite, though, you're absolutely right! -- but I like that he's at least in theory trying to take some personal responsibility for his part in what Shinra did. Yay that!

I see what you mean about the green. I guess it depends on the lighting. Most of the promotional shots for ACC show them looking pretty blue, although they're also all mostly in Edge. I like your explanation better, though.

...What does he need all that Cure for? Pore cleanser? Split end repair? Just how much product does it take to make him look like a red-tailed fox, or does he roll out of bed that way?

I'm totally there with dot = you-are-getting-sleepy, all your ass are belong to Tseng!

I love this thread so much.

<3
Kassi

 

[Octo]

And the weird thing is, now I think about it I don't think you can really see Tseng's dot for most of the original game anyway. I just remember thinking after climbing on the loo and watching the meeting, that Reeve was Tseng. I think I thought Tseng had a beard too, at first. I was just confused, (and had a tiny TV, so making out anything much was tricky)!

On a technical point - I can't get the hang of quoting here. All I can get it to do is quote someone's entire post. What am I doing wrong please?

Yeah I had a pic of the Tseng model somewhere and there is no dot, dissapointing

If you want to quote sections just highlight the sections you want and click the quote button (next to the picture of a mountain in the reply box)
you can also do it manually [quote*] and [/quote*] without the *

Re: Reno's eyes. For me personally I think the greeny/turquoise colour looks nicer with the red hair, but thats just me

 

[Morello]

Octo wrote:

If you want to quote sections just highlight the sections you want and click the quote button (next to the picture of a mountain in the reply box)

Thank you for helping. This doesn't seem to work on my computer though - I highlight text, click the quote button in the reply box, and all I get is "quote quote" in the reply box with no text. I can copy and paste text, but then it doesn't say who the quotation is from. I'll keep experimenting!

Re: Reno's eyes. For me personally I think the greeny/turquoise colour looks nicer with the red hair, but thats just me

I agree. It looks so nice...


Sorry - got distracted there for a minute.

Kassi wrote:

I think as far as 'contrite' I was going for an expression what he says in Healen to Rude about atonement. Atonement, contrition -- he's not overall contrite, though, you're absolutely right! -- but I like that he's at least in theory trying to take some personal responsibility for his part in what Shinra did. Yay that!

That's an interesting scene. I believe he's kind of sorry when he says the whole thing was a "nightmare" and "The world was nearly obliterated, and we were the obliterators", but as you say, I think it's accepting some responsibility for what Shinra did as a whole. I don't think he's taking much moral responsibility for his individual part in it (the fact that he pushed the button and squashed Sector 7, for example!). He doesn't seem one to brood on the past or to wallow in guilt like certain other characters tend to do. Which is part of his charm, although perhaps it shouldn't be!

...What does he need all that Cure for? Pore cleanser? Split end repair? Just how much product does it take to make him look like a red-tailed fox, or does he roll out of bed that way?

LOL. I think he takes even longer getting ready in the morning than Rufus. But he still looks good when he's just rolled out of my bed

 

[Octo]

Octo wrote:

Thank you for helping. This doesn't seem to work on my computer though - I highlight text, click the quote button in the reply box, and all I get is "quote quote" in the reply box with no text. I can copy and paste text, but then it doesn't say who the quotation is from. I'll keep experimenting!

Ahh I see where I went wrong, I was assuming you were using the quote button, the glowing one next to the thanks button, cos that automatically quotes all of the text in someones post and takes to the advanced reply page, and then you can whittle it down. If you were just using the quick reply, you'd have to copy and paste the required text, and then highlight and click the quotetag button. Does that make sense?

I agree. It looks so nice...


Sorry - got distracted there for a minute.

I think Redheads always suit a hint of greeny-blue.

That's an interesting scene. I believe he's kind of sorry when he says the whole thing was a "nightmare" and "The world was nearly obliterated, and we were the obliterators", but as you say, I think it's accepting some responsibility for what Shinra did as a whole. I don't think he's taking much moral responsibility for his individual part in it (the fact that he pushed the button and squashed Sector 7, for example!). He doesn't seem one to brood on the past or to wallow in guilt like certain other characters tend to do. Which is part of his charm, although perhaps it shouldn't be!

I think part of Case of Shinra had something where Reno and Rude were kind of annoyed at people wanting answers from Shinra. I can't find the exact bit, but I don't think they're entirely repentant

EDIT: here we go:

The Lifestream had saved the Planet but it had also punished Midgar. The town wasn't completely destroyed but rebuilding it was going to be very difficult. It was as if it they were sentenced to suffer between life and death - and it wasn't going to end. On top of that, those who found out it wasn't Shinra who saved the Planet from Meteor were already hostile towards them. Many people mentioned Shinra's name as if they had to lay the blame for these difficult times on someone.
The two of them arrived near the Shinra Building in Sector Zero. A large crowd of people were gathering there even though there weren't many wounded around. It seems they were all wanting to know something or were here to seek help.
"How ironic," Reno grunted as he listened to the conversations amongst the evacuees. They had all considered the Shinra Company to be the root of all evil yet, they all hoped Shinra will also be the ones that will change the dire situation they're currently in.
"I want to gag their mouths with my socks."
"Do it. I won't stop you."
"I don't have any spares."

LOL. I think he takes even longer getting ready in the morning than Rufus. But he still looks good when he's just rolled out of my bed

Yeah, Reno has a carefully put together 'dishevelled' look

 

[Unlucky]

.......so what does the dot do?

My serious guess on it is to show that Tseng belongs to a certain race in Gaia that we never got to learn about You know, to emphasize that he's 'foreign' or exotic.

Anything to revive this thread......)

But what about the 'collaboration'! You guys are serious about it, right? If you are then there's really lots to talk about!

Well hello there, Kassi Welcome to the Turk obsession thread! I was not long ago a newbie like you (see join date) I hope you're liking it here in TLS so far

Just one question... is Reno's surname really Sinclair? I've never heard of him or any of the Turks having a surname til now. Can anybody confirm?

I really wanted to get involved in the erotic fiction discussion, but that's gone by now, so briefly

Welcome back!

You know guys if you really want to have in-depth discussion in erotica, maybe we can create a new thread for that? Just a suggestion.



And regarding Reno's eyes matching his red hair (BTW I agree that his eyes are more like turquoise than solid blue/green).. did anyone else notice in AC that his eyebrows are not the same color as his hair?

And that Elena was wearing nail polish?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I always took that scene in ACC to mean something along the lines of, "OK, Rufus wants atonement. I can do atonement. I'm a Turk. I can do whatever my boss asks me to do. But that was some big shit. The world nearly got destroyed and it was kind of our fault. How do we atone for that? I need somebody to tell me what to do." In other words, I don't think he was being entirely rhetorical in his question. He's a practical kind of guy.

Welcome Kassi! Many hugs [but only if you like hugs. Othewrwise, we can settle for a firm handshake]! I'm so glad you weren't feeling too inimidated to post here - we are happy to have you, and Reno ( surprsingly) has been feeling like the least loved Turk around here recently, so you're a most welcome addition to his fan club. I really loved those heartfelt words of praise you wrote for him and his aquamarine orbs!

Tseng's dot is definitely a weapon for psychological warfare.

I hope you had lovely hols, Cherry.

And one more edit. To answer your question, Pug - none of the Turks have official family names. My headcanon says they don't have more than one name, and that one name is an assumed name. Sinclair was a name somebody gave him in a fanfic long long ago, and it stuck. It's become headcanon for lots of fans (but not me).

 

[Unlucky]

And one more edit. To answer your question, Pug - none of the Turks have official family names. My headcanon says they don't have more than one name, and that one name is an assumed name. Sinclair was a name somebody gave him in a fanfic long long ago, and it stuck. It's become headcanon for lots of fans (but not me).

Thank you! That's actually a good way to think of it and I agree.

I'm amazed by how fanfics are able to influence the fans' headcanons

It reminds me of what Octo explained about Reno's childhood/ adulthood prostitution/ experience of rape. Just... how are these people able to come up with such fanon ideas

 

[Kassi]

That's an interesting scene. I believe he's kind of sorry when he says the whole thing was a "nightmare" and "The world was nearly obliterated, and we were the obliterators", but as you say, I think it's accepting some responsibility for what Shinra did as a whole. I don't think he's taking much moral responsibility for his individual part in it (the fact that he pushed the button and squashed Sector 7, for example!). He doesn't seem one to brood on the past or to wallow in guilt like certain other characters tend to do. Which is part of his charm, although perhaps it shouldn't be!

"I want to gag their mouths with my socks."
"Do it. I won't stop you."
"I don't have any spares."

I love it! He's such a misanthropic little attention whore. As Maude says in 'Harold & Maude': "Consistency is not really a human trait!" Also I wonder if SE does a thing like character bibles or oversight or if, like fanfic, some characters are just up to whoever's writing him at the time.

Just one question... is Reno's surname really Sinclair? I've never heard of him or any of the Turks having a surname til now. Can anybody confirm?

Not canon, it's just the last name that crops up most often. I think it's because it seems to jive with the last-name naming conventions, it sits well along 'Gainsborough,' 'Strife' and so forth. Also has a nice ring to it.

I like to think of the story of 'Hikaru' Sulu from the original 'Star Trek' series:

Novelist Vonda McIntyre first presents 'Hikaru' as the character's first name in the novel 'The Entropy Effect.' McIntyre derived the character's first name from 'The Tale of Genji,' because she needed to write a love scene featuring Sulu, and she "couldn't figure out how to write a love scene where the protagonists called each other by their surnames." Although McIntyre was unaware at the time of any controversy surrounding her giving Sulu a first name, editor David Hartwell had to clear the name with Gene Roddenberry and George Takei in order to supersede Paramount's objections.However, the name did not become canon until its mention in Star Trek VI, and it was included only after Peter David, who authored the film's comic book adaptation, visited the set and persuaded director Nicholas Meyer to insert it.

I like that story, and while I'm not drawing the conclusion that, if Reno were ever given a last name, that SE would not make up their own, I think it's been discussed earlier that ACC has a hint of fanservice to it. (I'm not complaining... I feel thorough serviced!)

Also, to chase my silly tangent further with more useless!facts: 'tsuru' is apparently the Japanese word for the red-crested crane, a national treasure of Japan and symbol of leadership, courage, and long life. The Okudas (of Okudagram fame) speculated in the 'STIV: The Voyage Home' commentary that 'Sulu' was an Anglicized version.

Also also: George Takei is awesome -- "...Your smooth, chocolatey head... glazed in mansweat. I'll keep my eyes on you, and one day, when you least expect it, I will have sex with you!" Takei/Rude?

[is an enormous geek]
[going to hide my shame]
[see you later at the races! gentlemen, place your bets!!]

<3
Kassi

 

[Fangu]

Short nerdy post...

Octo wrote: Thank you for helping. This doesn't seem to work on my computer though - I highlight text, click the quote button in the reply box, and all I get is "quote quote" in the reply box with no text. I can copy and paste text, but then it doesn't say who the quotation is from. I'll keep experimenting!

You can highlight text and then quote just that text? I didn't know that. What I usually do is to click the little quote button to the right of the "Quote" button for all the posts I want to quote, and then I press "New Post". And I just pick out the pieces I want with manually writing [ quote] and stuff.

[is an enormous geek]

<3

 

[Octo]

Short nerdy post...

You can highlight text and then quote just that text? I didn't know that. What I usually do is to click the little quote button to the right of the "Quote" button for all the posts I want to quote, and then I press "New Post". And I just pick out the pieces I want with manually writing [ quote] and stuff.


<3

Yeah, you can highlight stuff you want to quote, as long as the text is in the reply box. Highlighting text in someones post and clicking the quote button wont just quote those bits of text. If that makes sense?

 

[Fangu]

Yeah, you can highlight stuff you want to quote, as long as the text is in the reply box.

Ah! That little text bubble in the tools bar! Never noticed that. Thanks!

 

[Octo]

But what about the 'collaboration'! You guys are serious about it, right? If you are then there's really lots to talk about!

I'm kind of serious, but at the same time I don't know if we could achieve what we want to, I think we'd have to recruit someone well versed in doing comics/manga, and we'd all have to agree and then they'd want paying and stuff y'know? But I'm skint and I'm not into doing half measures

It would still be fun to discuss though!

And regarding Reno's eyes matching his red hair (BTW I agree that his eyes are more like turquoise than solid blue/green).. did anyone else notice in AC that his eyebrows are not the same color as his hair?

I can't get a decent close up pic, but from what I can tell his eyebrows are a sort of mid brown. I've known a few red haired people and they don't always have red eyebrows. What I reckon is that Reno is a natural redhead, but he dyes his hair that zingy red colour, because he is Reno and he does what he wants

And that Elena was wearing nail polish?

Yeah, we were squeeing over that one

 

[Unlucky]

I'm kind of serious, but at the same time I don't know if we could achieve what we want to, I think we'd have to recruit someone well versed in doing comics/manga, and we'd all have to agree and then they'd want paying and stuff y'know? But I'm skint and I'm not into doing half measures

It would still be fun to discuss though!

Good point you have there. That actually made me sad but hell, I don't want to start anything without the assurance that it would be done too. So yeah it wouldn't hurt to discuss it, if that's all there is to do

I can't get a decent close up pic, but from what I can tell his eyebrows are a sort of mid brown. I've known a few red haired people and they don't always have red eyebrows. What I reckon is that Reno is a natural redhead, but he dyes his hair that zingy red colour, because he is Reno and he does what he wants

Another thing I noticed that made Reno handsome is the contour of his face-- it's bonier than the rest of the bishie characters. I couldn't help but notice that Cloud looks like a kid with that soft, round face (though I still find him cute) but Reno's face shape is just... hhhnnnngh

Yeah, we were squeeing over that one

I only noticed that recently! Along with Cloud smirking just before Tifa reaches her hand out to him in the Bahamut fight scene, and Zack smiling right before his vision fades to white before the Omnislash scene.

That's all I need to conclude that Clack is the true canon.

 

[Morello]

@Licorice - thank you, I did have a lovely holiday. Lots of walking in woods and by the sea, in hail and in sunshine!

Octo wrote:

I can't get a decent close up pic, but from what I can tell his eyebrows are a sort of mid brown. I've known a few red haired people and they don't always have red eyebrows. What I reckon is that Reno is a natural redhead, but he dyes his hair that zingy red colour, because he is Reno and he does what he wants

My dad had brown hair when he was younger, but when he grew a beard it was red! His brother had very red hair. I agree that Reno's a natural redhead. In the sunlight Reno's eyebrows do look quite ginger (I notice these things because I'm obsessed). Yes he dyes his hair "because he is Reno and he does what he wants". So true!

For all it looks good, it must be really annoying having those bits of fringe hanging in front of his eyes though.

Unlucky Pug wrote:

Another thing I noticed that made Reno handsome is the contour of his face-- it's bonier than the rest of the bishie characters. I couldn't help but notice that Cloud looks like a kid with that soft, round face (though I still find him cute) but Reno's face shape is just... hhhnnnngh

Yes! Reno is different - he's about the only one who doesn't really look like Gackt.

Looking all sharp and foxy (if slightly out of focus!)

 

[Octo]

Found this by googling Tseng/Elena fanfiction:

Tee hee! Its also by Glaurung (currently Mama Dragon) from this here forums, she hasn't been online in a while

Here's her DA account. http://glaurung-ii.deviantart.com/art/Tseng-Elena-fanfict-80430696

 

[Kassi]

Reno's face shape is just... hhhnnnngh

^^this.

So I was thinking of doing a sekrit project for each of the Four & Rufus, and with that in mind, I have a question for everyone who'd like to answer:

What makes Rufus/Tseng/Reno/Rude/Elena awesome for you? As much or as little as you like, and it doesn't have to be your favorite, and you're welcome to answer for more than one. Links to your favorite pictures are helpful too.

<3
Kassi

 

[Fangu]

I'm so fond of diversity <3 I don't find anything about AC/C Reno attractive And yet there are so many others who think he looks really good.

I didn't find anyone in AC/C especially attractive - Cloud and Sephi have some nice physical thing going on, and I like Rude, Barret and Loz's frames... and Tseng has a nice face shape. But I can't seem to find their images anything sexy.

But that's AC/C. The images I can cook up in my head though. Ooo nice.

The hair color Reno has looks very dyed to me. That shade of red - I don't think I've ever seen it naturally on a real person.

Edit: Ooh Kassi you posted while I was typing. Good topic. I'll figure out mine.

 

[Soakette]

It's hard to go into detail with any of the turks because I feel like I don't know how their outside of work personality is like since we never get to see that. We only have others people intereptation of them through fanfics.
But I'm going to try..

Rude. What I like about him... well first off he's hot! lol. And I just like his attitude. He's calm, I see him more as a listener and only speaks when he feels it's important to. I also think he even though he looks/is intimidating on the outside, inside he has a soft soul. He cares about people (espeically his comrades), he's romantic and would make a great boyfriend I would think.

Reno. Its hard to talk about him because their are two Reno's. FFVII and ACC Reno. I like them both. I like when he is serious and knows when to be. But I like his silly side as well. Infusing both FFVII and ACC Reno makes a awesome personality for him. He just makes me laugh and him and Rude together just make the ultimate team. I like he doesn't take himself to seriously. I like how much he cares about his partner and puts his safety before anyone else's. And he likes to drink! XD

Tseng & Elena. I don't put much thought into them. Tseng is okay, I like him a lot more than I used to. But I feel like if I knew Tseng irl we wouldnt get along at all. And Elena I like her her because even thought she looks all innocent she can kick your ass and make you feel pain! And thats what makes her awesome to me.