Alright, I'm gonna have to be done with Annie here once again, at least for a little while. There is genuinely nothing in this reply of hers worth responding to (for the however-manyeth time) again.
Since she says she is gonna get to Tres next, I'm tagging you in brother. Drop the elbow of well researched, non-batshit logic, that we might find a three count in this match-up at long last. 
Edit: Ok, one thing worth responding to came to mind Anastar. You say you're not even close to losing and would print out Tres' letter for the express purpose of burning it? Well let me just say, I live in the Southern United States and I've met a number of people who talk just that way about the Civil freaking War of all things. And yet, if memory serves, the South did still lose that a long time ago, whether Southerners admitted it then or even still stupidly and obstinately deny it now.
Oh, those 'the South shall rise again' fuckers cheese me the fuck off. The war was southern agression, the fuckers lost. Deal with it.
Now note the similarity between CW revisionists and a certain Starry Anne.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but Aerith caught a serious case of dead, so is it really inappropriate to say that the Lifestream is where she belongs?
Not only is it not inappropriate to say it, that's literally what was said. Anastar has QUOTED the place that says Aerith belongs in the cycle of souls around the planet, she just ignores it.
And just so this isn't a one-liner: double sheets of Mylar significantly raises measured temperature sometimes as much as 100 degrees centigrade.
I'm gonna need to see some citations on that.
I thought context could be used? Guess not then.
EDIT:
Are one-liners forbidden here?
Context can be used, but not in the present demand. It is basically 'Without relying on an interpretation from context, can you give us an unambiguous statement that Cloud loved Aerith?'
The answer- especially since Anastar used the commercial again- would appear to be no.
And personally, I'm saying that those quotes give hints on Clerith. That romance was present some way or another.
But our point is that C/T doesn't rely on mere hints.
Did you read all of the Cloti quotes? ;c I personally don't see how "They realized their feelings for one another" could be anything else but love. They already were friends, and they don't hate each other... what else is left?
'Romantic disinterest' even though that doesn't make sense.
We're not looking for context though. It shouldn't be hard at all. If it's really up to interpretation, you should have at least 6 quotes that say Cloud and Aerith either fell in love or can share romantic feelings.
Does what I'm asking for just not make sense? Let me try to explain again since I'm bad at explaining
I'm saying the ones I posted are talking about romantic feelings because they were SPECIFIED as romantic feelings. I'm not just guessing. Do you have any quotes that say Cloud and Aerith had ROMANTIC feelings that were SPECIFIED as romantic?
EDIT
again, past, present future or optional are fine. I'd just like to see some quotes.
EDIT II:
Nitpickey, but she actually just says "Someone to notice you".. the has isn't there.
FURTHER CLARIFICATION: PLEASE PREVENT QUOTES INDICATING, CLEARLY, THAT CLOUD HAD ROMANTIC FEELINGS TOWARDS AERITH. NOT THE REVERSE.
Thank you.
Ok CR, you gotta understand what we're asking for. You say those quotes give hints. And hints, if indeed they are hints, are all well and good.
But we are asking for a piece of Clerith evidence, just one, that is more than a mere hint. Something equivalent to any one bit from the mountain of Cloti proofs that has been put up here.
Something direct and unambiguous regarding Cloud having romantic feelings for Aerith, at the least.
And in the spirit of fairness, I'm leaving the FTOIL page out because I know you guys think that it shows both couples. So it cancels out, so there's no point in including it.
It DOESN'T, but hell, our case was made before it.
So anyone have this? Yes or no?
I'ma just say no and save people a lot of hemming and hawwing.
Actually, I could say the same thing with the CloTi quotes. Even if there are many write-ups for Cloti, there are many too for Clerith. It just boils down to which people choose, IMO.
So what are they? What are the direct and unambiguous ones? Why can't you provide them and meet the same standard that is frequently demanded of C/T?
If I'm understanding this right, by Clerith logic you can have one of your friends that you're in love with, and another friend that is in love with you, but the feelings shared are mutual in all cases? WTF? Really? People are aware that you can love someone and they don't love you back, right? They can still care about you, worry for you, love you in non-romantic ways, right? Cloud loves Tifa. Has since age 9--you would have to show any point where that STOPPED to even get a foothold in a Clerith argument...
This is the 'feelings can change' argument. In which it is argued that feelings CAN change, so they must have changed, therefore what Cloud thought before spending four years in a tube and one in a partial vegetative state no longer applies.
But anything he thought in 2 weeks MUST apply 2 years later. Why? Because, that's why.
I don't know about the rest of you, but my head hurts from trying to find a logical pathway through the bs being spewed. There is much too much emotional investment by some parties involving a shipping war. There are battle cries and 'I didn't lose' pouts going on and it's not a contest. Tifa isn't better than Aerith simply because she ended up with Cloud. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. It's just the way the story went.
There's a reason I called Anastar on fighting against C/T because she thinks people aren't giving Aerith her due. And that's basically it in a nutshell. She thinks Aerith is 'better' and thus deserves the hero.
I'll leave speculations of self identification up to the individual to determine.
*Zack didn't manifest on his own. Aerith pulled his ass from the lifestream. Now, you could argue that she needed him to help Cloud--and I'd agree, but here's where Clerith takes yet another headlong rush into the reality pavement. Cloud dies. He's floating in whitespace. She touches him. "Mother..." Yeah... okay... as if that's not weird enough, Aerith speaks to...Zack. NOT Cloud. She says NOTHING to Cloud. The fact that she brought Zack along when she could have had her time with Cloud... just wut??? The love of your life is with you and you cart around your ex? Zack is not an independent agent here, boys and girls. He is not Cetra. He doesn't get to travel the lifestream all willy-nilly. He is there with Cloud because Aerith wants him there. I've seen arguments that we don't know how long Cloud was there, and that maybe Zack left and yadda-yadda-bullshit-wanker-theories, but come on. Really? That's is just desperate and what fanfiction is for. Besides, who was babysitting Cloud while Aerith phone-orgied the city? Maybe Zack and Cloud had some aloooooone time. Clack is more canon and likely than Clerith in my opinion and in my interpretation...
Pfft. Bloud is the one true Yaoi.
I was going to say something about everything else, but I have time for just this...
About Zack and Aerith with Cloud in the Lifestream...
Aerith and Zack are both important for Cloud, we do agree on that. Cloud is hanging between life and death there. Cloud asks if the presence they feel is the "Mother" Kadaj's gang has been going on about (I don't know if Cloud even knew what he was thinking at the time. Anyone have a script for that time or something?).
No, Cloud asks if Aerith- the presence he feels- is mother. Notable difference.
Aerith's question can be taken either to mean she's asking the question to herself aloud or asking Zack, but the latter is more "logical", so to speak. Then they go on to say that Cloud cannot die yet,
They say he doesn't belong here. Also Aerith says that he's too big too adopt.
so he is returned to the world of the living (Who knows how much time passed here? Ryu mentioned times before...).
The Sephy fight begins at 6PM. Cloud awakens at 7PM. How long the Sephy fight takes is unspecified. However, there's no particular reason to assume the whitespace visit was longer than it appeared.
We have no idea if Zack was there because he chose to or because Aerith asked him. He doesn't have to be called by Aerith for both of them to tend to Cloud. Both of them care deeply for Cloud, (Clack, ftw!) so it would be "logical" that both of them were there in his "almost dying" moments. There's a plus for Aerith though, she was able to touch him. Zack doesn't do the same.
How would Zack do it, though? Is he just being remembered by Cloud and that's why he can appear, then?
The metaphysics actually sorta matter here.
And about the "phone-orgy", ACC showed that happening before the "healing" scene. It did happen after the blast. So Aerith could have done that before tending to Cloud.
She did, actually. The undead robo calls happened in the morning, though.
Oh well. Magic really is mysterious it makes heads hurt.
Any magic, sufficiently understood, is merely another facet of science. - Jewett's Corrolary to Clarke.
I don’t understand what’s all the fuzz about the HW High Affection version being canon. I DO believe it’s canon, however, having wild loving sex with my man in a rocky scenario where we've just confessed our feelings of mutual affection for each other just to further listen to him talk about how much he’d like to meet again with a DEAD woman is just purely EPIC.
Except HE never says he wants to meet her. Tifa's the one who wants to meet Aerith again.
Because, y'know, they were friends. And there's no reason one would ever want to meet a dead friend again. So if Cloud can only want to meet Aerith for romantic reasons (even though he never expresses a want), I guess we've confirmed Aeti.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the caption under CloudXTifa's picture talks about it being an OPTIONAL scene, right?
No. It does not. The mutual confirmation of feelings is what happens in the narrative. That there is a variance no more changes the established narrative than the fact that it's optional to to take or NOT take Vincent to the Sister ray changes DoC.
Oh! And Cloud and Aerith's date picture is still there.
And the text beneath it says 'Depending on how you act, one of four people will join Cloud on a date' (Very rough paraphrase), nothing about what happens on the dates. Meanwhile, the text referring to C/T mentions mutual confirmation of feelings without words.
From the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega:
Until they reunite with friends in the airship, the conversation in the scene that Cloud and Tifa spend the night in the meadow can be different, according to the rating of Tifa's affection to Cloud. (p. 201)
...when degree [of affection] gets higher, the conversation of the scene where they spend the night will contain strong emotions. (p. 198)
From Final Fantasy Dismantled:
Changeable event 3 (before the final battle):
Another event is when the party was dismissed and after everyone left for their own places separately, Cloud and Tifa spent the night together.
At that moment, according to Tifa's affection rating with Cloud, the event of "dialogues exchanged between them from dusk to dawn" and "Tifa's reaction and lines when she found out that everyone might see (or hear) that circumstance" will be different.[/B]
These quotes say it's optional and up to the gamer's choice.
Now show me your official quote where it blatantly states the HA version is CANON. Otherwise I don't understand how out of nowhere it isn't optional anymore. Proof please
Tifa's Crisis Core profile says 'She and Cloud came to realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC.'
The U10 says they confirm their feelings- no mention of optionality.
The U20 says they confirm their feelings as the normal course of events.
The HA scene is listed as one of the four most important scenes in the game.
So yes, we can arrive easily at the conclusion that the scene where the feelings are confirmed- the high highwind, since nothing is shared in the low- is the version that occured in the narrative.
It's a bit irrelevant, though, since the FTOIL page doesn't mention versions.
However, as I said before, I do believe official statements might point to the HA version to be more reliable, still it doesn't make Cloti anymore romantic, stable and any more realistic as a couple. I guess living together and NOT sleeping together after such passionate confessions is the trend.
Not sleeping together?
Are you assuming the consequent? Why yes you are!
As mentioned many times, the exact nature of their sleeping arrangements has not been established, but the 'do you love me/marlene' scene in CoT is most parsimonious- and depicts Tifa as less creepy and Clingy- if they share a room if not bed.
I've read it, thanx and you still didn't give me the quotes I asked for.
It's funny how you claim Cloti is a Realistic couple when Cloud's been schizophrenic since day one, hearing voices and seeing dead people.
When psychics and ghosts are a material fact of a universe, hearing voices and seeing ghosts is a sign of lousy neighbors, not mental illness.
As far as I know, Psychotics have the thoughest time dealing and coping with reality as we know it and that is a fact.
Bringing up psychotics and 'the tough time they have dealing with reality' is not the best tactic in a thread where reality is kind of allied against your position.
