The Love Triangle of FFVII Part IV: A New Hope

[Ryushikaze]

For the most part I don't disagree with the post above but this is my pet peeve.

Saying that Cloud/Aerith or Cloud/Tifa is a motherly love is creepy and completely untrue. Come on guys. If this is your idea of family dynamic, you must have one hell of a family...

I've got no problems with the idea either of these women having a definite maternal and protective side, especially since I think the C/A has a definite feeling of spiritual guide. But next time I see "awww, Tifa has motherly feelings for him, it would be terrible if they got together!" or "Cloud thinks of Aerith as a mom" I'm going to use my super internet powers and through my indomitable will, manifest a hand to punch the poster in the face.

Point of order, Aerith/ Everyone alive is a maternal relationship. That's her new role. She's a maternal figure.
Also, Cloud calling her mom absolutely kills any chance for a romantic mood.

 

[Splintered]

Point of order, Aerith/ Everyone alive is a maternal relationship. That's her new role. She's a maternal figure.
Also, Cloud calling her mom absolutely kills any chance for a romantic mood.

I see your point and I've argued more than once that Aerith has become the sort of makeshift deity of FFVII world, but I don't find her character as simple as that. Her overarching role as spritual guide/mother of everyone doesn't mean that she can have varying relationships with everyone. I mean, she can't pursue a relationship but the bonds aren't all the same, if that makes sense at all.

Cloud-Aerith is not the same as Tifa-Aerith. And Tifa-Aerith is not the same as Cid-Aerith. You can argue what degree of romance is in there but to say that now that she's a benevolent earth pixie god so she MUST only have maternal feelings for Cloud is simplifying it. She still retains some semblance of personality. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to pursue anything with Zack, eh?

 

[Eerie]

I think all women possess a maternal side towards their loved one, mainly because men are BIG KIDS. XD But yeah, they don't go out calling their loved ones "mother" and while Tifa sometimes feels like this, no way Cloud would call her mother as his own mother like he did with Aerith - he doesn't feel she's his mum, that's the thing.

I didn't say it was creepy though, that's just how it was described and something that I can't ignore because it was so blatant when it was one of the very few scenes he shared with her.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I see your point and I've argued more than once that Aerith has become the sort of makeshift deity of FFVII world, but I don't find her character as simple as that. Her overarching role as spritual guide/mother of everyone doesn't mean that she can have varying relationships with everyone. I mean, she can't pursue a relationship but the bonds aren't all the same, if that makes sense at all.

Cloud-Aerith is not the same as Tifa-Aerith. And Tifa-Aerith is not the same as Cid-Aerith. You can argue what degree of romance is in there but to say that now that she's a benevolent earth pixie god so she MUST only have maternal feelings for Cloud is simplifying it.

I wasn't meaning to imply that. More that that's how people are reacting with her, as if she's maternal figure.

She still retains some semblance of personality. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to pursue anything with Zack, eh?

Well, he's not 'the living' now is he?
In any case, I'm not saying Aerith is different, just saying she's taken on a new role with regards to the living.

 

[Vendel]

I still stick by my idea that Aerith was more concerned about Cloud than OMG in tru wuv with him by the time she left the group in FFVII. This continues right into CoLW and ACC.

 

[Makoeyes987]

What I really want to know, is why the fuck a line from Dismantling is being quoted as proof against the actual canon of Crisis Core, which shows AERITH KNEW AND FELT ZACK WAS DEAD.

This shit's getting retarded again.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I still stick by my idea that Aerith was more concerned about Cloud than OMG in tru wuv with him by the time she left the group in FFVII. This continues right into CoLW and ACC.

I know this means absolutely nothing to you because you're Vendel, but did you read 'koibito' as 'that really nice guy who she thought was a super sweetheart' or something? Or does it only mean that when it's Aerith?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I know this means absolutely nothing to you because you're Vendel, but did you read 'koibito' as 'that really nice guy who she thought was a super sweetheart' or something? Or does it only mean that when it's Aerith?

....Don't pull this shit again. Please.

 

[Celes Chere]

it shows her protecting him in such a motherly way that he calls her MOTHER!!!

Brava, exactly! Read the Ultimania too, the screen shot shows Cloud and Aerith in the flower fields, and right next to it appears the quote about her seeming like a Mother. Even before this for those who believe Maiden is canon, she smiled like an affectionate Mother. I believe Aerith matured by the end of Maiden, accepting who she really was, and that she had to focus on the planet. Can you say Mother Earth?

Cloud put Zack's sword in Aerith's church

Agree. There's absolutely no other reason for Zack's sword to be in Aerith's church. It makes no sense why Cloud would put it there, otherwise. You can make up some bullshit thing like "to keep it safe" or "maybe he felt bad for making it rust for years and years" but those reasons are laughable and easily countered.

It still blows my mind how some people can think that Crisis Core has no significance to the main plot at all. Why did they bother making the fucking game, then? <- No matter how many times I ask, those who feel this way never give me an answer. I'm not sure why....

 

[Winter]

I know this means absolutely nothing to you because you're Vendel, but did you read 'koibito' as 'that really nice guy who she thought was a super sweetheart' or something? Or does it only mean that when it's Aerith?

I have no legitimate answer for this.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The legitimate answer was stated 100 times before in parts 1, 2, and 3 of this thread, Elmo.

Please explain when Cloud and Aerith were lovers back in FFVII. I totally missed that part on disc 1, where Cloud and Aerith shared their mutual feelings of love and affection and totally ventured out on their relationship for two whole weeks while going about saving the world.

Share with the class when their relationship started.

 

[Vendel]

Share with the class when their relationship started.

Temple of the Ancients?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well, one could argue that was when things got physical between Cloud and Aerith.

 

[Winter]

It said Aeris had feelings for him that carried over into her death, not that they were fucking lifelong lovers.

I just don't get why the idea that Aeris had feelings for Cloud grinds your gears so badly. Especially since... she uh, did.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, that's all fans ever said about koibito in that context of Lifestream White. No one ever took that as proof of Cloud and Aerith being lifelong lovers, and "I want to meet you" meant sex. Hell, I'm sure Anastar and the rest were just trollin'.

What nonsense!

 

[null]

Mako, even if you never said it personally, I know myself and a shitload of other people in here used to argue how ridiculous it is to be a "koibito" (boyfriend/girlfriend) in a vacuum. Criticizing the hypocrisy in the way it's argued is totally legit.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Mako, even if you never said it personally, I know myself and a shitload of other people in here used to argue how ridiculous it is to be a "koibito" (boyfriend/girlfriend) in a vacuum. Criticizing the hypocrisy in the way it's argued is totally legit.

Oh I did too. But its just hilarious how now its the other way around, and then on the flip side, people want to argue that it somehow shows that Cloud and Aerith were in a relationship and by default Cloud is now Aerith's boyfriend.

I dunno, I just like to nip such potential accusations in the bud before they start.

 

[crack]

>Aerith has/had feelings for Cloud
>Tifa and Cloud revealed mutual feelings for one another
>A Clack reference is made
>Repeat

 

[Ite]

That doesn't make it any less creepy. Canon or not, it's kind of fucked up.

 

[Makoeyes987]

No what's creepy and fucked up is Aerith doing a guitar riff with a katana in her back.

 

[null]

I wanna be Ermac now. *pouts*

 

[null]

Oh I did too. But its just hilarious how now its the other way around, and then on the flip side, people want to argue that it somehow shows that Cloud and Aerith were in a relationship and by default Cloud is now Aerith's boyfriend.

I dunno, I just like to nip such potential accusations in the bud before they start.

Oh I don't think Cloud was or ever will be in a relationship with the Aerithmeister, or that he has longing feelings for her while tolerating clingy, tragic ol' Tifa.

But I don't see why peeps are so stubborn about making Aerith delusional. It doesn't hurt anyone if she had feelings for the Real Cloud.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

This post is amazing. Mind = blown.

Yeah, because blowing your mind is such a challenge. Excuse me while I retrieve a shiny quarter. Ooooooooo, like it? Shiny!

....Don't pull this shit again. Please.

....................................

no u

 

[Makoeyes987]

Who wants to make Aerith delusional?

I dunno, I just remember the days when LW came out and we had the wonderful shitfest on the frontpage regarding how "beloved' was the improper translation for koibito, Cloud and Aerith obviously were in love and a couple during FFVII, and anything less was clearly a biased perspective and "koibito" could only mean it was reciprocated by both sides.

....Didn't Quexinos say that reciprocation crap before too?

 

[null]

The d00ds and d00dettes who say she really just sees Zack in Cloud.

I remember that d00d, I thought he was Shroudy, calling himself the agent of chaos and other lame utterances.