The Love Triangle of FFVII Part IV: A New Hope

[Strangelove]

I like the ones that aren't all tits and ass, let's get some classy shit up in here

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I like the ones that aren't all tits and ass, let's get some classy shit up in here

hey hito i have a yuri doujin do u think u can translate?

 

[Strangelove]

hey hito i have a yuri doujin do u think u can translate?

It would give me something to put on my CV.

Except I wouldn't put that on my CV lolz

 

[Fairheartstrife]

okay, hito, less tits and ass:

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in reference to the sandwiched male commentary:

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[Fairheartstrife]

now that's out of the way... more tits and ass

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[Zee]

This is where the comprehension problems come in. We never said anywhere here "Aerith loves Cloud after death and hopes for a relationship with him." Why is it impossible to think that Aerith loves Cloud but does accept her death and life as over and accepts nothing will come of her feelings for him? Why can't Cloud have loved Aerith in the past and move on with his life while Aerith loves him but accepts they can't have a relationship due to her being dead. There is no law written anywhere that states if Aerith loves Cloud and Cloud loves her after her death, they must be holding out for each other. And if there is show me this law, if it is written somewhere I'd like to see.

Fucking thank you, I love you, I will name my firstborn after you etc etc

 

[Ryushikaze]

I don't get why he did that either. Apparently the Japanese term used to refer to Sephy's remnants is the same term used for Unsent in FFX, which is clever and appropriate, but yeah, the Farplane and Lifestream are very different concepts. Not to mention the incredible timeframe problems this creates when we're now told FF7's world is Spira a few thousand years in the future.

We are told the exact opposite, actually. Gaia is a different planet from Spira, but there was a migration between the planets in between the games.

Pardon my ignorance but are pinkers supposed to be Clerrith fans?
Are CloTi fans titters then?

Pinkers are Cleriths but Cleriths are not pinkers.
Pinkers are a very specific set of crazies.
Like the spirit sex nutjobs.

What's creepy about loving someone after you die? Death is nothing more than another stage of existence. There's no reason to stop doing what you were doing preciously.

I's not like she's a zombie with her skin dangling off, lumbering after Cloud.

Loving isn't where the creepy comes in. The idea that she's still trying to pursue a romantic relationship with the living is.

okay, hito, less tits and ass:

Spoiler: Snark

Is this the great spinoff Shojo-Ai series St. Yunalesca is watching?

Spoiler: more snark!

Aerith: Now behind my ears.
Tifa: Are you a woman or a cat?
Aerith: Mrowr...
Tifa: Me and my big mouth

Spoiler: Song based snark!

And by that sleeping scotsman did walk two maidens fair...

in reference to the sandwiched male commentary:

Spoiler: sandwhich snark

Tifa: Oh dear Shiva what did I drink last....fuuuuuuck.

As for 'where is it law that if Cloud loved Aerith, relationship post-mortem', there are people who insist it's happening. No one here, but some.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

now that's out of the way... more tits and ass

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NOSEBLEED!!!!

Nao I bring da funneh.

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[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, let's try to keep this under some semblance of a topic as much as we can please. The thread's already gotten over 30 pages of nonsense already.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

The topic's already gotten over 3 threads of nonsense already.

fixxxed

 

[Makoeyes987]

fixxxed

People can discuss the LTD all they want, but it'd be great if that was actually being done, at least loosely.

It's part of the fandom. They're entitled to it, ffs.

 

[Vendel]

Really, because I seem to recall constantly saying words to the effect of "yes she's dead, we accept this." But then, you always did have a problem really listening and comprehending posts that aren't your own.

You're the one who said Aerith or anyone for that matter could fall in love with someone AFTER THEY DIED. So don't hit me with this bullshit.

This is where the comprehension problems come in. We never said anywhere here "Aerith loves Cloud after death and hopes for a relationship with him."

Did I ever say you said that Drakey Poo? And plenty of people have said it. Remember not everything is an attack against you.

Why is it impossible to think that Aerith loves Cloud but does accept her death and life as over and accepts nothing will come of her feelings for him?

Didn't I spend the last couple of post stating just that? But now that you say it it is suddenly profound right?

Why can't Cloud have loved Aerith in the past and move on with his life

The fact that he "moves on" before the end of the game does call into question the depth of his feelings.

while Aerith loves him but accepts they can't have a relationship due to her being dead. There is no law written anywhere that states if Aerith loves Cloud and Cloud loves her after her death, they must be holding out for each other. And if there is show me this law, if it is written somewhere I'd like to see.

HAVE MY CHILDREN!!!!

 

[DrakeClawfang]

HAVE MY CHILDREN!!!!

I'll stick my dick inside a garbage disposal before I let you anywhere near it.

Did I ever say you said that Drakey Poo? And plenty of people have said it. Remember not everything is an attack against you.

If I didn't say it, why are you addressing it? I don't care what other people say, I'm not them, I'm me. Address what I say, respond to my claims, not the claims of someone else, otherwise why bother replying to me at all? I think I've established fairly concretely by this point I am not like most Cleriths, so don't treat me like them, treat me like me. Respond to what I say, not what other Cleriths say.

You're the one who said Aerith or anyone for that matter could fall in love with someone AFTER THEY DIED. So don't hit me with this bullshit.

Trust me Vendel, of the many things I'd like to hit you with, bullshit is actually not high on the list. Pointy heavy things are closer to the top. As for your inability to process my past posts and focus only on the present ones, I HAVE said in past posts "Yes Aerith is dead, she and Cloud cannot have a relationship." I can search and find some of those posts if you want. Just because Aerith is dead and accepts her death does not mean she cannot love Cloud. Once again you seem to be more concerned with reading inbetween the lines of my posts instead of the lines themselves.

 

[Max Caulfield]

Spoiler: sandwhich snark

Tifa: Oh dear Shiva what did I drink last....fuuuuuuck.

It's sad that when I saw this I thought, "What does this have to do with sandwiches?!"

 

[Celes Chere]

You're the one who said Aerith or anyone for that matter could fall in love with someone AFTER THEY DIED. So don't hit me with this bullshit.

Well, isn't there an acception to this? What if Aerith's death made Cloud realize he loved Aerith? You don't know what you have until it's gone, sort of thing? Just sayin'.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

HAVE MY CHILDREN!!!!

Fuck you, you faithless bastard!

 

[Vendel]

If I didn't say it, why are you addressing it?

And here I thought the name Gabranth and the blue text that I quoted would be a subtle hint that I wasn't talking to you.

But I guess it just has to be all about you now doesn't it?

Trust me Vendel, of the many things I'd like to hit you with, bullshit is actually not high on the list. Pointy heavy things are closer to the top. As for your inability to process my past posts and focus only on the present ones, I HAVE said in past posts "Yes Aerith is dead, she and Cloud cannot have a relationship." I can search and find some of those posts if you want. Just because Aerith is dead and accepts her death does not mean she cannot love Cloud. Once again you seem to be more concerned with reading inbetween the lines of my posts instead of the lines themselves.

Drake you would have to pull your head out of my ass before you could hit anyone with anything.

Well, isn't there an acception to this? What if Aerith's death made Cloud realize he loved Aerith? You don't know what you have until it's gone, sort of thing? Just sayin'.

Except we are talking about THE DEAD falling in love AFTER THEY HAVE DIED.

 

[Celes Chere]

Aerith seems to be able to feel emotions in the Lifestream so... it's possible? O_o Zack flirts with her in the Lifestream... does that count?

'Course that was all in Maiden.

But COLW says she thinks of Cloud as all of those things, but she is dead thinking these things... so does that mean she can still have emotions? X_X I dunno.

 

[Gabranth]

Well I know I'm not as well-versed as many here but it would seem to me that, as long as you don't let your consciousness dissipate into the Lifestream, you're still the same person after death. After all, it's your soul that is how you feel and think, not your body. (in this context anyway)

Sephiroth would seem to prove this so I don't see why it wouldn't be true for Aerith as well.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

It's not true because no matter WHO you are, eventually you dissipate into the lifestream. The Cetra are the exceptions, of which Aerith is only half, and even then--as evidence by lack of Aerith's mother--chances are they become part of the LS. Dead is dead, ffs.

Sephiroth could not hold onto himself. Where the hell are people getting this? He couldn't even remember what he LOOKED like. He had to rely on OTHER people's memories to keep himself lingering, and the only thing he managed to hold was his hate and fixation on Cloud. Cloud--whose living memories--would be what allowed Sephiroth to remain. YES that makes Sephiroth OMG super speshul, but even he is limited within the lifestream.

edit: Celes, I can't believe you just used Maiden to try and prove that someone can fall in love AFTER they died. WHUT?

 

[Celes Chere]

I used it since alot of Cleriths say that Maiden is canon, so I was trying to see it from that view.

IM TRYING TO MAKE REASON WHERE THERE IS NONE

IT'S HARD

 

[DrakeClawfang]

And here I thought the name Gabranth and the blue text that I quoted would be a subtle hint that I wasn't talking to you.

But I guess it just has to be all about you now doesn't it?

If you're quoting my post, yes it is. If you're replying to Gabranth's post, quote his. Really, not complicated, quote the person you wish to address, its just common sense...which explains why you don't understand it.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

If you're quoting my post, yes it is. If you're replying to Gabranth's post, quote his. Really, not complicated, quote the person you wish to address, its just common sense...which explains why you don't understand it.

Dude, he DID. He quoted Gabranth's post. It's in bright blue text, Drake. And then YOU replied to Vendels reply to Gabranth with your "comprehension" post...so...

Let it go.

I see you making a lot of personal attacks and snide comments to Vendel, and although he's a big boy and can handle himself, I'd suggest stop making it personal. You don't like him, we get it. Stating you want to bash him in the face with a stick with sharp points is pushing it.

Especially since I recall more than one occasion you getting pissy with people on this site for being too personal.

It's the fucking internet...and a fictional LTD. NOT really worth getting THAT worked up over. Seriously.

**hugs all around**

 

[Gabranth]

It's not true because no matter WHO you are, eventually you dissipate into the lifestream. The Cetra are the exceptions, of which Aerith is only half, and even then--as evidence by lack of Aerith's mother--chances are they become part of the LS. Dead is dead, ffs.

Why does it matter Aerith is only half Cetra? Sephiroth isn't all Jenova yet he is stronger than Jenova. Hybrids are supposed to be superior to the originals, comining traits of both species.

Also perhaps you can tell me what the supplementary material says but the obvious implication in the game seems to be that Aerith is te one who uses the Lifestream to stop Meteor. So....did any pureblood Cetra ever stop giant planet--killing rocks?

Sephiroth could not hold onto himself. Where the hell are people getting this? He couldn't even remember what he LOOKED like. He had to rely on OTHER people's memories to keep himself lingering, and the only thing he managed to hold was his hate and fixation on Cloud. Cloud--whose living memories--would be what allowed Sephiroth to remain. YES that makes Sephiroth OMG super speshul, but even he is limited within the lifestream.

Except it's canon Sephiroth has te strongest willpower of anyone iN FFVII, which would include every Cetra ever. So if they can do it, why can't he?

Also he seemed to be perfectly dead after 7 yet returned in AC with his same old personality and beliefs. So....

And, as I said earlier, death is nothing more than another stage of existence. There's no reason you couldn't fall in love after death as long as you retain your original feelings.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

I see you making a lot of personal attacks and snide comments to Vendel

And he would never do anything like that himself, would he? Yes, obviously I don't like him. Do I want to bash him in the face with pointy objects? No. As I've been told myself repeatedly in the past, take a joke.

As for Gabranth's post, looking back yes I got confused, sorry for that. When quotes get broken up and multiple people are quoted in one reply, it can get confusing.