The one Cloud really wanted to meet was...

[Max Payne]

Too many words

head am hurt

 

[Celes Chere]

where the zack option i dont get this therad

 

[Masamune]

This is about Dissidia, mate. Not the OG.

Yeah, but this thread is asking if the context of that line in the OG has been changed by Dissidia. It hasn't. It was always referencing Aerith.

EDIT: Unless the OP is referring to the two Dissidia games? If so, then blah.

 

[Dashell]

Yeah, but this thread is asking if the context of that line in the OG has been changed by Dissidia. It hasn't. It was always referencing Aerith.

No he's saying did Duodecim change the meaning of the line in the original Dissidia.

EDIT
I just realized I called Ryu Tim in one of my posts... that was weird of me

 

[Danseru-kun]

Hmm... I don't know who to choose. When I played Dissidia the line makes more sense to be a reference for Aerith because of the flower field in then end. I know it's a Clerith perspective but flowers are always associated with Aerith. Cloud walks there in the end. This is even more Aerithy when you remember Cloud and Aerith's conversation in AC/C where he wanted to meet Aerith to ask for forgiveness:

"Why did you come?"
"I want to be forgiven."

However, if you read Dissidia's script as it is. The line is very ambiguous. BUT, once you play Duodecim and discard all the "Clerith symbolism" Tifa simply makes the most sense.

LOL this reminds me of the "Cloud's light" debate. In KH1 it's automatically assumed to be Aerith but in KH2 things changed.

 

[Dashell]

LOL this reminds me of the "Cloud's light" debate. In KH1 it's automatically assumed to be Aerith but in KH2 things changed.

Funny how often that happens, huh?

 

[Danseru-kun]

For me, it's all to show us that Aerith is the heroine, but Tifa's the love interest. But that does not really work well most of the time. That's just my opinion. Or they could just be trolling, who knows?

 

[Dashell]

I don't think Aerith was ever intended to be Cloud's light. I really don't. I think maybe they accidentally implied that, but with Final Mix and KH2 it all became clear what they intended. It makes no sense for them to change their minds all of a sudden.

Can't really explain what happened with Dissidia though

 

[Madame Mayor]

I don't think Aerith was ever intended to be Cloud's light. I really don't. I think maybe they accidentally implied that, but with Final Mix and KH2 it all became clear what they intended. It makes no sense for them to change their minds all of a sudden.

Can't really explain what happened with Dissidia though

It's almost like people keep getting the wrong idea and they have this urge to fix things with the next games.

When I played Dissidia the line makes more sense to be a reference for Aerith because of the flower field in then end.

I have to add this still really bothers me because it's such a cherry pick. Look at the rest of the ending. No one has ever been able to explain WHY Aerith would be referenced there. Symbolism isn't just thrown into things for lulz. Why does Cloud have a reference to a character from his game that isn't relevant to Dissidia?

 

[Vendel]

But in short. Dissidia = Pure Cloud/Aerith
Duodecim (prequel) = massive troll

What?

This sounds like a mini-version of the "SE is making all these contradictions with the compilation and Ultimania because it isn't full of C/A information" line of reasoning.

Far be it for anyone to just admit they were wrong.

 

[Danseru-kun]

@Madame Mayor

Because of AC I saw it as a reference to Aerith because I see Aerith associated with forgiveness, not romance. Like I said, I can't help but associate flowers and the "I can meet here there" line to Aerith, (but note that the flowers there actually looks like the ones in the FFVIII opening.) I admit that the creators did not really intend an Aerith reference based on materials but I don't think that the Aerith references theory is baseless.

I still haven't decided who to vote. I'll vote when I get totally convinced with no doubts.

 

[Ryushikaze]

@Madame Mayor

Because of AC I saw it as a reference to Aerith because I see Aerith associated with forgiveness, not romance. Like I said, I can't help but associate flowers and the "I can meet here there" line to Aerith, (but note that the flowers there actually looks like the ones in the FFVIII opening.) I admit that the creators did not really intend an Aerith reference based on materials but I don't think that the Aerith references theory is baseless.

I still haven't decided who to vote. I'll vote when I get totally convinced with no doubts.

Well, the flowers do 'appear' for Squall, not Cloud.

I'm still not entirely sure why people are using the flowers at the end to color the 'The one I want to meet' line from near the beginning of the game.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Yeah, I thought of Rinoa first before thinking that the flowers "could be" associated with Aerith's forgiveness. Hey I'm not saying that I take the Aerith flower reference theory as my stand, I just say that I see how people think like that. There's no real proof about it and the farthest it can go is being an opinion.

However, when people use this theory for the LTD things become really messy

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

cloud obviously has the gay materia zack gave him (its canon) and hes looking for aerith because she went out shopping with zack

god you guys use some logic here.

 

[Marle]

Yeah, but this thread is asking if the context of that line in the OG has been changed by Dissidia. It hasn't. It was always referencing Aerith.

EDIT: Unless the OP is referring to the two Dissidia games? If so, then blah.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This was basically what I was trying to get at this whole time but with too many words.

Even so, the line will always be a reference to Aerith. But in the case of Dissidia and Duodecim and that world, Aerith makes no sense for it and Tifa does. Therefore, yeah, SE ruined the meaning of the quote but what can you do?

Oh God, please don't bring up the bloody flowers. The white materia was bad enough. Please.

How about this: Aerith is inexplicably tied to the FF7 world. The flowers represent FF7 and so does the materia. Naturally, those things can be associated with Aerith, too. She did save the fricken planet. Is it romantic?

I don't see it.

Is what Cloud does for Tifa in Duodecim romantic? Uhm. Yeah, it kind of is.

Come at me bro. i'll be civil this time...

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yeah, I thought of Rinoa first before thinking that the flowers "could be" associated with Aerith's forgiveness. Hey I'm not saying that I take the Aerith flower reference theory as my stand, I just say that I see how people think like that. There's no real proof about it and the farthest it can go is being an opinion.

However, when people use this theory for the LTD things become really messy

Or when they claim it certainly IS the case.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This was basically what I was trying to get at this whole time but with too many words.

Even so, the line will always be a reference to Aerith. But in the case of Dissidia and Duodecim and that world, Aerith makes no sense for it and Tifa does. Therefore, yeah, SE ruined the meaning of the quote but what can you do?

...Not assume it's a reference to the line at the end of the game and instead a reference to elsewhere in the OG, or better yet, the internal narrative of Dissidia?

Oh God, please don't bring up the bloody flowers. The white materia was bad enough. Please.

How about this: Aerith is inexplicably tied to the FF7 world. The flowers represent FF7 and so does the materia. Naturally, those things can be associated with Aerith, too. She did save the fricken planet. Is it romantic?

I don't see it.

Before getting into 'is it romantic' we ought to get into 'do the flowers/ crystals/ etc. represent what you think they do re: any one person.'
Given the flowers represent the world of FF8 as well, probably not.
Given that most other folks leave to generic- not specific personal- references to their worlds, again, likely not.
Given nearly every crystal reference points to a source of magical power in each characters world, and are not ascribed any personal significance, again, they probably don't have significance regarding any one person.

 

[Max Payne]

Aerith didn't save the planet, she helped but without Avalanche everything she did would have been in vain.

 

[Marle]

Aerith didn't save the planet, she helped but without Avalanche everything she did would have been in vain.

It was definitely a combined effort but without her, AVALANCHE would have also failed, no? That's how I always saw it. :T But you bring up a valid point. I really need to replay the whole thing again. It's been so long.

...Not assume it's a reference to the line at the end of the game and instead a reference to elsewhere in the OG, or better yet, the internal narrative of Dissidia?

Lol, trust me, I agree with this. But a lot of the people who loved the OG and Aerith and the Cloud/Aerith relationship find a profound meaning with the quote so I can understand why it would be upsetting that the line is now all about Tifa instead. Even if the Dissidia world isn't part of the OG, to some, it just makes better sense that the line still describes Aerith.

But, I can't really justify it properly. I'll wait until Zee or someone better can explain it?

 

[Madame Mayor]

Yeah, I thought of Rinoa first before thinking that the flowers "could be" associated with Aerith's forgiveness. Hey I'm not saying that I take the Aerith flower reference theory as my stand, I just say that I see how people think like that. There's no real proof about it and the farthest it can go is being an opinion.

However, when people use this theory for the LTD things become really messy

My only problem with things like this is it comes out of nowhere, in the final scene. All I really want to know is WHY Aerith is suddenly being referenced? What is the literary relevance?

 

[Danseru-kun]

^

I can't explain why either. I never analyzed Dissidia seriously anyway. All I can get is that they want their crystals and they have personal issues and a villain comes and in the end they realize something and they get their crystals.

And okay I'll stop with the flowers, I forgot it's implications they use that as an argument for the LTD. Everything related to the LTD is serious business I guess.

 

[Zee]

The flowers represent FF7 and so does the materia. Naturally, those things can be associated with Aerith, too.

I'll be perfectly honest I think the flowers are a clear reference to Aeris. I mean with the white materia, although it belonged to her, there's enough leg room to say it's something associated with the world and that's cool but

The flowers have always been used to indicate her presence in Advent Children -- isn't there a specific scene showing her flowers with Zack's sword as a little memorial to their memory? and then the flowers in front of the family photo as a nice little reminder that she's still their family even though she's dead.

general response to thread: idk guess i just don't get why people get so defensive and antsy whenever aeris is referenced, especially in relation to cloud. of course they're going to use him to reference her who cares??? i can't believe there's already 7 pages of this nonsense christ

 

[Max Payne]

....What nonsense?

 

[Zee]

....What nonsense?

white materia debating
again

it will never not be nonsense

 

[Max Payne]

white materia debating
again

it will never not be nonsense

One person ranting does not make a debate, and it was hardly any more than a little over a page about it.

STOP BEING SO OVER THE TOP NIGGER

 

[Zee]

One person ranting does not make a debate, and it was hardly any more than a little over a page about it.

STOP BEING SO OVER THE TOP NIGGER

I JUST WOKE UP I CAN BE CRANKY OKAY