The Pros of Final Fantasy X-2

[Channy]

lolidd

Okay well yeah that's annoying. But there are voice actors out there who do shit loads and are hardly recognizable. Tara Strong is in video games, cartoons and anime and I rarely find that one character sounds similar to another.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I never noticed that.

At all.

 

[Max Payne]

Mako, if I may say, you use the saying 'at all' quite a bit.

lol

He abuses the word clearly all the time too.

 

[Max Payne]

lolidd

Okay well yeah that's annoying. But there are voice actors out there who do shit loads and are hardly recognizable. Tara Strong is in video games, cartoons and anime and I rarely find that one character sounds similar to another.

Not applicable. Strong is a mutant. Every now and then you recognize her voice, but not much.

 

[Channy]

He abuses the word clearly all the time too.

And fuck

Not applicable. Strong is a mutant. Every now and then you recognize her voice, but not much.

She may be a mutant but she's the ultimate voice changing mutant. It's why she does so many jobs, cause she's so diverse.

 

[Nikkolas]

And there's no set line of what opinion is considered acceptable when it comes to something like voice acting. You're talking silly, and they hated on Freeman for various reasons.[

Yes there is. There's a set line for opinions in every thing.

If you get online and say you think Tony Jay or Tim Curry are bad voice-actors, you're crossing the line.

You can say "screw everyone, I like what I do" but you're still crossing a line.

And I can't see a reason to hate Freeman.

Yeah, I'm talking about maybe the same 4 or 5 actors you hear over and over and over till you recognize them on cue in whatever new project they're in.

I hate that.

Sounds like you'd hate Michael McConnohie. The guy is given like 5 tiny roles in Bleach. Then he was given both the roles of Anji and Okina in Rurouni Kenshin....though I liked him as Anji.
But yeah the guy is in practically everything I watc and he sounds the same. I don't mind it though. I hold a special place in my heart for him for voicing Margulis from Xenosaga.

 

[Max Payne]

Yes there is. There's a set line for opinions in every thing.

If you get online and say you think Tony Jay or Tim Curry are bad voice-actors, you're crossing the line.

You can say "screw everyone, I like what I do" but you're still crossing a line.

No, no there isn't. That makes no goddamn sense. There's no universal standard for any opinion when it comes to a medium where that opinion is subjective. The only line there is, is the imaginary one you set in your mind.

For the record, I never said any of these people were bad actors, but overuse and overexposure is not a good thing and can ruin the image of a good character. A character that sounds like a bazillion others won't stand out as much .

 

[Makoeyes987]

There is no "set line" for an opinion, or standard. The minute an opinion becomes something uniform that everyone agrees with, it becomes a fact. That's absurd. A subjective taste in a voice actor can never be fact or a "line." Where the hell does that even come from?

 

[Max Payne]

The only time an opinion can truly be wrong is when it's based on false information, but in a medium where a person's tastes regarding acting changes from one person to person, there can be no real right or wrong opinion.

 

[Nikkolas]

No, no there isn't. That makes no goddamn sense. There's no universal standard for any opinion when it comes to a medium where that opinion is subjective. The only line there is, is the imaginary one you set in your mind.

Oh it's very real. Taste is always subjective. Does that mean you won't be ostracized if you came onto a forum or said something like "Ya know, The Godfather is a shitty movie. But Batman and Robin..that's quality"? No.
You can say the line is imaginary but if enough people believ ein something, it's real enough. And I'd say most people believe in that line.

For the record, I never said any of these people were bad actors, but overuse and overexposure is not a good thing and can ruin the image of a good character. A character that sounds like a bazillion others won't stand out much.

I think it depends on the character itself just as much as the voice-actor.
And I never said you thought they were bad.

 

[Strangelove]

Okay well yeah that's annoying. But there are voice actors out there who do shit loads and are hardly recognizable. Tara Strong is in video games, cartoons and anime and I rarely find that one character sounds similar to another.

I saw some interviews with her on YouTube, and if it weren't for that I wouldn't have realised the two voices were done by the same woman.

I can only think of two places I've heard Steven Blum (that weren't just little clips), which would be as Vincent in AC and the first couple of episodes of Cowboy Bebop. I wasn't particularly amazed by either Not that he was bad (maybe Vincent was), but after having it hyped up so much I didn't think it lived up to it.

And now I look a bit more, that Lost game, he was all right in

 

[Max Payne]

Oh it's very real. Taste is always subjective. Does that mean you won't be ostracized if you came onto a forum or said something like "Ya know, The Godfather is a shitty movie. But Batman and Robin..that's quality"? No.
You can say the line is imaginary but if enough people believ ein something, it's real enough. And I'd say most people believe in that line.

A lot of people sharing the same opinion doesn't make that opinion the only right one.

And no, the line is only as real as people make it.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Again, that makes no sense. There are people who don't like the Godfather, and whether they're ostracized or not, that doesn't make an opinion magically become fact. Nothing is impervious or immune to criticism. Nor is something likable to 100% of people everywhere. Groupthink isn't fact.

 

[Nikkolas]

An idealistic view of people but not very realistic from where I'm sitting.
You can hate The Godfather. But you'll always be in the minority and thus your opinion will never have as much wroth as other people's.
That's how society is run. What is popular is law and convention. This is getting into a very different line of discussion though.

 

[Max Payne]

Then you live in a different world.

There are a lot of people who don't like the Godfather too, does that make the movie bad because they think it's bad? No it doesn't. That's retard logic.

The very nature of an opinion is that it's not a fact. A lot of people sharing the same opinion doesn't make it fact.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's just straight up bullshit right there. Wow. A criticism isn't invalid even if a lot of people like it. That's some very bizarre thinking right there.

 

[Strangelove]

That's just straight up bullshit right there. Wow. A criticism isn't invalid even if a lot of people like it. That's some very bizarre thinking right there.

<<<
Appropriate icon is appropriate.

 

[Munatik]

An idealistic view of people but not very realistic from where I'm sitting.
You can hate The Godfather. But you'll always be in the minority and thus your opinion will never have as much wroth as other people's.
That's how society is run. What is popular is law and convention. This is getting into a very different line of discussion though.

Okay, so if it were popular opinion that you were a misguided, deluded, anti-intellectual, proto-facist buffoon--who appears to hold the minority opinion in this thread, by the way--then it must be true. It must be "law and convention" and not worth asserting the opposite.

Odd way of thinking.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Oh shit, VERY appropriate hito. LOL

And lol @ munatik

 

[Nikkolas]

And I repeat:
Everything is founded on opinions; morals, rights, laws. These are all also subjective just like our taste in movies.

The Godfather is almost universally agreed to be a great movie. If you don't agree, you accept the consequence that you'r e n the minority and your opinion is inherently not as wroth as much as everyone else's. Just like any other issue.

It's simple as that. If you defy convention by not liking The Godfather or Tony Jay you cross the line into the minority and will be opposed by most everyone.

Okay, so if it were popular opinion that you were a misguided, deluded, anti-intellectual, proto-facist buffoon--who appears to hold the minority opinion in this thread, by the way--then it must be true. It must be "law and convention" and not worth asserting the opposite.

Quite frankly...yes. I fully understand and accept I'm in the minority here.

 

[Max Payne]

There's a substantial amount of people who think the godfather is tripe too. It's not something that's universally agreed if there are people who don't agree. It doesn't matter if there's more people that share one opinion or not. There is no such thing as a universal opinion. NONE.

No, your opinion doesn't mean less because there's a lot of people who share the opposing opinion. It just means a lot of other people share that opinion.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Oh hell, it does mean less, fuck it.

You can only say so much bullshit and deny canon before it just gets tedious. I don't know what else to say to such absurdity. A criticism is valid no matter how much something else is loved by a majority. That doesn't make it perfect, nor does it make it somehow impervious to criticism or improvement. I don't give a shit how much The Godfather is loved, it isn't perfect either. Critics cite its flaws, and some even say its not as good. Just as people criticize society and state there are other opinions and paths of law and order than the ones implemented today as well. Majority doesn't mean fact or perfection.

I don't give a shit how many people fangasm or love Blum. I like him too, but the fact is, is he's in too much shit and it gets to be a bore hearing his overdone voice over and over again. There's no true unique identity to a character that sounds like everyone else. Period. That's his flaw.

 

[Munatik]

It's simple as that. If you defy convention by not liking The Godfather or Tony Jay you cross the line into the minority and will be opposed by most everyone.



Quite frankly...yes. I fully understand and accept I'm in the minority here.

Fair enough, but I doubt you'd abide being considered as such if it were a popularly-held opinion. Unless you thought I was flattering you.

By the way: If I may, I would like to take a moment and give a shoutout to the minority camp. Otherwise, the advances in science and philosophy we appreciate today may never have occurred.

 

[Nikkolas]

Well you can say what you will but it contradicts everything I've ever seen in life.. Where if you say something at odds with the norm, you're fucked. It could be a simple as saying the movie Predator isn't that great. Or it could be that you don't believe in God. You say something like that and you face the crushing force of the majority.

Not to sound emo but I have a very low opinion of people in general.

By the way: If I may, I would like to take a moment and give a shoutout to the minority camp. Otherwise, the advances in science and philosophy we appreciate today may never have occurred.

They became the majority. That's how those things happen. Most people use to think blacks were inferior, now most think they're equal. Thanks minority for getting the ball rolling but it wouldn't have gone anywhere without becoming the majority.

 

[Max Payne]

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People that believe in god are not the majority.

And saying you don't believe in god doesn't result in people being crushed.