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tbh after doing some film editing myself, i completely understand wanting to take bits and pieces from one take and compositing them with another. if i had the technology/skill/time, i would have done that
Relevant to my interests. Although I can actually hum pretty much all the MCU themes but I probably listen to them more often than most people. Considering how much the composers are swapped out along with the themes, the MCU barely gives any theme time to stick around for it to become memorable to the average moviegoer.
While the video itself is a response torwards the first video, I think it´s still applicable to the other two in some capacity.Another one on the Marvel music:
QwertyShank said:Because narratives always have gaps; they are less detailed, necessarily, than the experiences that people have in life that the stories try to invoke. Narrative art is only an impression of the texture of life. If it tried to do more, it would be very tedious; movies would be days long, books tens of thousands of pages.
So, it’s the job of the person consuming the narrative to fill in the gaps for themselves. A plot hole occurs when there is no logical way to fill in one of those gaps because any reasonable possibility is contradicted by some explicit information in the narrative. Outside of plot holes, it is the reader’s/viewer’s job to fill in the gaps with their imagination.
Some folks have gotten a bit lazy about this, and complain whenever they perceive a gap. Or, they complain because it is usually possible to differ significantly from one reader/viewer to another on what exactly is in the gap; there are multiple plausible options. Casual debates and BS sessions can be had between folk on which gap fillers are better or more fun to entertain, but often if a question comes up often enough, the author/production team will give some idea of what they though the gap was naturally filled by, what assumptions they used to guide what you are presented with explicitly by the narrative. But if it’s not in the actual text, it’s just a suggestion, and nobody is under any sort of obligation to substitute the official explanation for their own head canon.
This isn't a video, but a comment about what does and doesn't qualify as a plot hole in narrative structure in Rogue One when looking at why Leia was at the battle of Scarif that I think WAY too many Internet People don't understand when criticizing story, and I wanted to C&P somewhere I could find it again in the future.
QwertyShank said:Because narratives always have gaps; they are less detailed, necessarily, than the experiences that people have in life that the stories try to invoke. Narrative art is only an impression of the texture of life. If it tried to do more, it would be very tedious; movies would be days long, books tens of thousands of pages.
So, it’s the job of the person consuming the narrative to fill in the gaps for themselves. A plot hole occurs when there is no logical way to fill in one of those gaps because any reasonable possibility is contradicted by some explicit information in the narrative. Outside of plot holes, it is the reader’s/viewer’s job to fill in the gaps with their imagination.
Some folks have gotten a bit lazy about this, and complain whenever they perceive a gap. Or, they complain because it is usually possible to differ significantly from one reader/viewer to another on what exactly is in the gap; there are multiple plausible options. Casual debates and BS sessions can be had between folk on which gap fillers are better or more fun to entertain, but often if a question comes up often enough, the author/production team will give some idea of what they though the gap was naturally filled by, what assumptions they used to guide what you are presented with explicitly by the narrative. But if it’s not in the actual text, it’s just a suggestion, and nobody is under any sort of obligation to substitute the official explanation for their own head canon.
I really love this, because I can't overstate how often I've seen cries of, "that's a plot hole" when it definitely fucking isn't. It might not be explicitly explained to the audience, or it might be a little bit of a stretch of a believable explanation, but a majority of the time it's not a goddamn plot hole.
This isn't a video, but a comment about what does and doesn't qualify as a plot hole in narrative structure in Rogue One when looking at why Leia was at the battle of Scarif that I think WAY too many Internet People don't understand when criticizing story, and I wanted to C&P somewhere I could find it again in the future.
QwertyShank said:Because narratives always have gaps; they are less detailed, necessarily, than the experiences that people have in life that the stories try to invoke. Narrative art is only an impression of the texture of life. If it tried to do more, it would be very tedious; movies would be days long, books tens of thousands of pages.
So, it’s the job of the person consuming the narrative to fill in the gaps for themselves. A plot hole occurs when there is no logical way to fill in one of those gaps because any reasonable possibility is contradicted by some explicit information in the narrative. Outside of plot holes, it is the reader’s/viewer’s job to fill in the gaps with their imagination.
Some folks have gotten a bit lazy about this, and complain whenever they perceive a gap. Or, they complain because it is usually possible to differ significantly from one reader/viewer to another on what exactly is in the gap; there are multiple plausible options. Casual debates and BS sessions can be had between folk on which gap fillers are better or more fun to entertain, but often if a question comes up often enough, the author/production team will give some idea of what they though the gap was naturally filled by, what assumptions they used to guide what you are presented with explicitly by the narrative. But if it’s not in the actual text, it’s just a suggestion, and nobody is under any sort of obligation to substitute the official explanation for their own head canon.
I really love this, because I can't overstate how often I've seen cries of, "that's a plot hole" when it definitely fucking isn't. It might not be explicitly explained to the audience, or it might be a little bit of a stretch of a believable explanation, but a majority of the time it's not a goddamn plot hole.
In my mind they're describing what I would call a "continuity error" rather than a plot hole. To me, any gap in the narrative is, by definition, a plot hole. That's not inherently a negative thing, though.
Storytelling is better for having them (for the sake of pacing, mostly, as the person you quoted alluded to in that first paragraph), and they're everywhere in everything (usually in the form of scene transitions) where there's no continuous narrative window from one instance to the next. They're usually not even worth commenting on because they're so minor and ubiquitous -- e.g. in "The Fellowship of the Ring" film, the Hobbits make it across the Brandywine River, and when next we see them, they're arriving at Bree. This is technically a plot hole, but nothing important because it's nothing that we can't instantly fill in, even as we're watching the scene unfold for the first time. "They walked here, and it wasn't so far that walking here is implausible." Done.
This is why phrasing like "plot holes you could drive a truck through" is worth using when waxing negative about a composition's plot holes. Though the fact that one is calling attention to them in the first place is probably indicative of them being (at least perceived as) significant and A Bad Thing.
To be clear, in the case of the example from "Rogue One," it is a plot hole, but it's hardly significant, and certainly not a continuity error.