Man, I tried catching up but COULD not do it, lets hope I still know what I wanted to say.
Look I will be the first to admit it. And I don't care if they come for me. If Cloud and Aerith had an optional kiss scene in Rebirth you would never hear the end of it.
Oh most definitely, they were already not shutting up about it before it even happened. Hell, they haven't been shutting up about the gold saucer date for 27 years, it's only now that there is a Cloti kiss in it that suddenly it no longer matters.
Most people here don't hate Clerith fans at all
I'm of two minds, I don't hate Clerith fans as a rule. But I do intensely dislike the effect of Clerith on the product, and I think that as a group I do hate "Clerith" itself. So when people identify as such it does bother me that they're essentially lending weight to a group that I think as a whole the fandom would be better off without. I don't hate people who simply like the dynamic between Cloud and Aerith though and like the idea of a romance between them. I like the idea of Auron and Beatrix, not everything has to make sense.
Yep. And I’m done. Goodnight folks. Thanks for explaining to me how storytelling works.
See, this was highly ironic, if I remember correctly (this was days ago lol) you were complaining about toxicity. My gut reaction to that was "usually it's not the people being called toxic that are toxic in this situation, it's the people who yell crybully and act like victims", and then you immediately personified that. Thanks for reinforcing my beliefs.
I liked her pink dresses too and hated that for her “worst” dress i.e. the one you get if you don’t do any sidequests in Sector 5, you have literal rats following after her and some dogs and cats like… what even are they trying to say with this?!
Lets be honest, that was just for humorous effect, we shouldn't take everything so seriously.
I have a feeling hardcore CA's heads are going to explode in the third game. These last two games have pushed so hard for ZA and CT
They legitimately think that the last two games have been pushing Clerith, their heads will never explode because nothing penetrates those thick skulls.
What proves to him he's a real person is with his shared memories with Tifa. How they grew together in Nibelheim, how he promised to her he'll become a Soldier
Not exactly, what proves he's a real person are his feelings, because those can't be mimicked because they're his and his alone. Tifa knew that Cloud was on the water tower, so that memory can come from her.....but she didn't know WHY he called her there. It's his memories of his feelings that are uniquely his that explain his actions and thereby prove he's really him.
The problem is, keeping Sephiroth alive because they want ACC to happen is making FF7 an endless loop. They can, no doubt. But it means that after 30 years, our characters will know no salvation.
Because if ACC as we know it exists, it means Sephiroth and Jenova are still present in the LS, so it means Sephiroth and Jenova are still able to act on the inside, so it means Sephiorth and Jenova as seen in Remake with knowledge of the future and therefore abilities to change the course of things. Because a Sephiroth in ACC with the knowledge of what happened in Remake and Rebirth, can again try to change things when the party will still defeat him in the 3rd part.
So yeah. The devs have some explanations to do.
This is wrong imo. For the characters time doesn't loop. It just goes on, only Sephiroth is doomed to be stuck in an eternal loop of loss. Cloud and Co simply defeat him in AC and go on with their lives, leaving Sephiroth behind in an eternal losing streak.
This. Too many times in the re;trilogy do the party basically go "Welp, that was weird, moving on" and then never address it until it comes up again.
This, this is one of the things that really bothered me in Rebirth. I know Tifa doesn't want to bring it up to Cloud for fear of what is might cause, and I accept that. But Cloud should be asking more directed questions and the party themselves should be talking amongst themselves a whole lot more.
I get what you mean. Cause in AC, Sephiroth says: "I will never be a memory" which implies that he is not gone forever. So if remake project leads into AC, it means Sephiroth has technically won. If remake project wants to destroy Sephiroth once and for all, I can see why remake project would have to end after AC.
I don't see why
Lmao, I don’t engage with anyone. It’s just interesting I guess. Like a morbid curiosity.
I mean the LTD is interesting, but it’s never really “fun” it seems to discuss it. Back in the day I loved talking about The Last of Us and if Joel was right or wrong for what he did. It was interesting to see how people interpreted the end and the game as a whole that led up to it.
But this…I mean debating something like a kiss. It’s nuts.
I hate it, I want the LTD to die so I can stop talking about it. I don't actually care enough about Cloud and Tifa to waste this much time on something that doesn't matter. As soon as the LTD is over, I rest.
So during the GS HA date, when she said Cloud is different and wanted to see the real Cloud, was she still not over Zack?
No. People make the mistake of conflating "trying to see Cloud for Cloud" with "seeing the real Cloud".
The trick is to imagine that Cloud WASN'T mimicking Zack, but that this was his actual personality, and to imagine Aerith saying the same thing to him. Then look at the difference between that situation and the one we actually have, if you understand that difference you understand the snag.
If Cloud was just a dude, Aerith could still be using him the way she was. Trying to find out about Zack, trying to relive her time with him, etc.
And she could still tell Cloud that that was wrong and that she'd be looking at him FOR him from now on. She could still fall in love with this new person and have it be a love for this new personality.
And this is essentially what happens.
However, with Cloud there is the added element that the person she's now falling in love with ISN'T a new personality, it's STILL Zack. So while she is now no longer looking at Cloud and directly projecting Zack onto him (which would come FROM HER), she's still falling in love with someone wearing a Zack disguise (its coming from Cloud).
Conclusion, while not looking for Zack specifically, she is still looking for someone like Zack, because that's both what attracts her, and because she's not over him.
" That’s it. I give up! I can’t stop thinking of you. Ugh, I can’t stand this!”
Is that Cloud or Zack she is talking about? I have seen arguments made that it could be either depending on interpretation.
Zack, because she WANTS to move on, if she couldn't stop thinking about Cloud she'd be happy because that means improvement.
Is this the argument about why didn't Cloud have a reaction to Tifas wall market dress? Cause when he sees her he's in a drag, has also been gassed and has woken up to find them all in a dungeon. So I don't think anyone would be like well gotta say you look amazing or gasp when in this situation. That argument was always one of the weirdest ones. How little they care about storytelling for that one to make any sense, and common logic
It's really annoying how often people bring up questions to which the answer is simply "because it's a different situation, plus it's a game, we can't waste time on everything". What matters is the purpose of the scene, that scene wasn't about leering at Tifa, it wouldn't fit, so it didn't happen.
All I'm gonna say is if Cloud reacted to characters beauty every time we would barely be making any progress in the story XD
Exactly
One could argue infact that Cloud's reaction to Tifa at the beach is akin to Cloud's reaction to Aerith in the red dress, as in, think of it like another "balancing act" just like in Remake they had Cloud and Aerith have a close up drawn out high five, well in Rebirth they also give Tifa a close up drawn out high five.
Yes, the beach scene is purely Tifa for anyone wishing to argue, watch the camera and listen to the music.
Seriously, when I first saw the beach scene I wanted to know if Aerith received one as well. It didn't even occur to me that it might be intended to be for both lol.
Someone on twitter actually pointed out that the wording is the exact same to describe Tifa and Cloud's feelings.
This is from the 10th anniversary ultimania:
and this is from Cloud's recent story:
Does anyone know the exact Japanese phrasing? Taisetsu no Josei? Taisetsu no Hito?
Don't get me wrong, I'm in the camp of believing FFX is a masterpiece from start to finish and I actually really love the ending and I'm accepting of it but I can't lie and say that the 100% ending for X-2 didn't mend my 12-year-old broken heart lol. I don't like the plot of X-2 at all, I think it's horrific even though the game is really fun to play / it was my most played FF growing up, but if it gave me anything it gave me a happy, fanservice reunion for my OTP.
Well, FFX doesn't have the same themes so there really wasn't a problem there with Tidus coming back imo.
Wtf kinda question is that?!" So, we know that him being a dick sometimes isn't just his SOLIDER persona, but an aspect of the real him as well. He just dials it up to 100 in the SOLDIER persona. 
