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@LicoriceAllsorts That's correct.

But the fact as simple a word as "pray" is an oddity requiring explanation for the other group does mean a lot. Expanding on this, it would be one thing to accept the very Abrahamic looking religious structure as a stand-in for general spiritual and/or religious flavor if it were simply...

Done! Also, when I get a little more time today, I'm going to split the religion discussion off into its own thread. EDIT: @a_apple 2.0 Yes lol

You said "They never use the summons in any way other than a singular attack. If we're looking for canon representations, there is no other use." But lengthy battles are not singular attacks ... Your first paragraph seems to be at odds with your second and third? If the Cetra faith is meant to...

Ifrit and Bahamut Fury in Crisis Core, though? And Bahamut Shin in AC? --- I think that's how we're supppsed to understand the matter anyway. Bahamut's Assess data quite nearly confirms it: "A legendary summon recreated in virtual reality. It is the manifestation of a dragon king revered by...

I have that thing sitting on my desk here at work. It's my work coffee cup, just so I get some use out of it. In reality, the emblem is barely visible even in a well-lit room. It's not at all like how it appears on the box.

Made sense to me.

I suppose a lot comes down to whether any divergence shenanigans get fixed before all is said and done as well. As @Odysseus emphasized, though, we're stuck right here for now. I'm confused as well, @Clement Rage -- I don't know that this is the thread you meant? In any case, you know...

Be very afraid if the names "Glabados" or "Ajora" crop up ...

Regarding who can see the Whispers: perhaps one has to come in contact with both the Whispers and someone who can already see them to gain the ability? Maybe the contact even has to be simultaneous? One of those could explain why Yuffie, Reno, and Rude can't see them yet ... Though option 2...

Which I still think is a legitimate headscratcher. I know for a fact I wasn't the only one who thought "Dammit, game, I see what you're doing here" when it made me like this feisty but compassionate senior citizen who seemed like the only foot race she'd be likely to run was to the top of the...

Remember that "not" recognizing him was all a ruse to begin messing with him.

Nojima has really outdone himself here. He's come a long way in his prose writing. Though I do suspect @Shademp will hate this part: I don't know if he feels differently about it now, but when discussing this very notion before with regard to FFVII, he's expressed to me that the allegory for...

Take what you can get, homie. Want I should take it back? =P

On rare occasions I agree pretty much completely with Mako. This is one of them. Dude is being asked a question about Remake's ending and provides an answer referencing events in Remake's ending, so when he says "this story" there's no reason to think he isn't talking about FFVIIR.

That's not what I'm speaking to. I'm saying that it would come across to me as compromising a significant theme of the original in this narrative that ostensibly will be following and reinforcing the original's themes. And there's literally no other reason to do it than to "brighten things up,"...

Yes, but weren't you just talking about the characters being fundamentally different? Anywho, I agree that there's a close-to-zero chance of those things not happening here. Toriyama even just reiterated that loss is a central theme to FFVII, so the tragedies of geostigma and Deepground seem...

I don't think anyone in the discussion suggested they'll be fundamentally different, though? For the sake of being able to engage in coherent discussion, we need to be able to say "Cloud-Prime may have gotten a wig from a bodybuilder's onesie while Cloud-B got his hair done up by professionals...

But what you just described is exactly like a Superman of Earth-1 and Superman of Earth-2 situation. These Clouds live in separate universes. They even have some different experiences here and there. They're separate Clouds.

I thought we were all in agreement that this is precisely what they're doing? Nomura said before the game even came out that the original and the remake are separate universes, and half of our discussions about Remake here have been about Aerith of Universe-B(eagle) , Zack of Universe-T(errier)...