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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Quex and Dagger, My responses to both of you have already been buried. Just wanted to make sure you saw them in my post HERE
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    But she decided she was going to. And we all know, based on what Elmyra said, that once Aerith makes up her mind, there is no point in convincing her otherwise. So because Aerith had made up her mind, Cloud wanted to protect her. Her safety would have been compromised if she had went in alone...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Cloud saw Tifa being carried away, he had no idea that she was in Don's mansion until he got there. The script tells us that it was Aerith inviting Cloud to go with her that prompted him to think of a way in. Without Aerith inviting Cloud to go with her, would Cloud have thought of a way in...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Cloud did the Mako reactors for money. Remember, Cloud didn't have all of his memories associated with Tifa while she was captured by Don. But Cloud only thought of ways to get in after Aerith asked him to go with her.
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Elmyra said (in-front of Cloud) that once Aerith has made up her mind, there is no point in trying to convince her otherwise. After Cloud agreed to go in Don's mansion because Aerith asked him to and because he was worried for her safety, he agrees that the next course of action is to see if...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    ...because he said he didn't want Aerith to go alone? Aerith asked Cloud to go with her, which is what prompted him to think of ways in. Cloud did *NOT* think of ways to get in until Aerith asked him to go with her. Then, when Cloud couldn't think of a way in, he said it didn't matter because...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Let me make these two points clear: Cloud *ONLY* thought of a way to get in Don's mansion after Aerith said, "You want to go with me?" When Cloud couldn't think of a way in, he decided that it didn't matter because he didn't want Aerith to go, "alone". It was then Aerith's idea to dress him...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    1. Cloud did not have all of his memories associated with Tifa yet. 2. Look at the script. After Cloud tells Aerith it would be too dangerous by herself, Aerith says, "Do you want to go with me?" Only after Aerith asks Cloud to go with her does he start to ponder another way in. It was Aerith...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Quex, How did you (and others) not understand that I was specifically talking about the scene where Tifa is in Don's mansion? In fact, this is what I said prior to that post: "There are plenty of example that show us Cloud cares for Tifa. But did Cloud rescue Tifa from Don's mansion because...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    All I want to know is: why did you point out that Barret's observation was optional (in order to dismiss it) while at the same time providing optional evidence? Do you honestly not understand how hypocritical and shady that is? All I'm saying is that Dismantled gives evidence in support of...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    You didn't answer my question: Why did you provide optional evidence while at the same time try to dismiss my evidence based on optionality? And it makes sense you wouldn't accept Dismantled -- it provides a lot of evidence in favor of Cloud x Aerith. The bottom line is: Going through the...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Nomura, concerning Aerith's death: Nomura talks about *AVOIDING* the cliche' where the, "protagonist loves someone very much and has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love." So how did they avoid the cliche'? Instead of having the protagonist die, they had the...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    1. If you knew your evidence was optional, why did you continue to point out that Barret's observation was optional? It seems very shady to use optional evidence while pointing out that my evidence was optional (even though Dismantled canonizes Barret's observation). 2. You are the one who...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Cloud: I didn't want to start a ruckus till we saved Aerith. I should have known that was impossible though… Barret: Heh, heh, heh. Cloud: What is it? You're givin' me the willies. Barret: So there are times when even you fight for other people. I am impressed. Cloud: Who cares if you're...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    You can *ASSUME* Cloud would have rescued Tifa without Aerith. And although I don't completely disagree with that assumption, THE SCRIPT TELLS US AERITH IS THE REASON CLOUD DID IT. That's the part you are overlooking. The script tells us, point blank, that Aerith is the reason Cloud decided to...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    There are plenty of example that show us Cloud cares for Tifa. But did Cloud rescue Tifa from Don's mansion because Cloud was wavering towards Tifa? Sadly, I think Cloud was still wavering towards Aerith at that point because the script tells us so. Cloud only went inside Don's mansion because...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    From the beginning, Cloud was worried about Aerith's safety. He agreed to protect her from the Turks, he tried leaving her at her house because he worried for her safety, and he decided to dress up as a woman so Aerith wouldn't have to go in Don's mansion alone. When you compare all of this...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    What was unfortunate about that post? Cloud was clearly thinking about saving Aerith during that conversation, which is why it dawns on Tifa that saving Aerith is why Cloud abruptly left. What else could Cloud have been thinking about during that conversation? Why would SE have Tifa make the...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Tifa laughs right after Barret says, "I'm just sayin' mebbe I was wrong" Maybe Tifa finds it funny that the ever-so stubborn Barret is finally admitting he's wrong about something? According to Barret, Cloud fighting on the pillar *doesn't* show Cloud fighting for other people because he says...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Not quiet. After Cloud tells Aerith it would be too dangerous by herself, Aerith says, "Do you want to go with me?" Only after Aerith asks Cloud to go with her does he start to ponder another way in. It was Aerith asking Cloud to go with her that prompted him to think of different ways to go...
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