Alright, then.
I read Anastar's message from last night, and then walked away for a day before responding. Had I responded immediately, I expect I would have gotten another infraction.
But I'm calm, cool (always, bitches), and collected now, so let's do this.
Anastar. Hi. I'm Tres. You might remember me from such posts as the one where you got called a cunt, and numerous other instances of correcting your lies.
You might also remember me from that last private message I sent you, where I specifically asked that you wait until you could reply to everything I've said to you all at once -- so that we wouldn't have to continue with what basically amounts to sending messages backwards and forwards across time to one another. It's like we're filming a sequel to "Frequency" here.
In any case, since you've disregarded that request and have taken your dishonest debating tactics to absurd new depths, I'm compelled -- nay, bound by duty, honor and the heart of the cards -- to reply without waiting for further such shenanigans.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Chantara said:
Not the point. When did the issues start? IMO, Cloud and Tifa had issues with each other during the game, too. Wouldn't Nojima be aware of that?
The domestic issues in CoT couldn't be issues during FFVII for the simple fact that the two weren't yet in a domestic setting. Things that haven't happened yet can't be an issue before they've happened.
Hmmm... I'm not sure about that, since the same issues often carry over to other settings. For example, my mother tends to get on my nerves with "over-protectiveness" when I'm shopping with her. If I stay overnight at her house, she does the same thing and I have the same reaction.
Please read what I said again, then read what you said again. I don't think you understand what you're replying to.
Issues that haven't yet had a single occurrence over which to have a discussion are not going to be discussed before the first occurrence has ever happened.
For instance: Your issues with your mom's overly protective nature would not be issues if she had never demonstrated a tendency to be overly protective.
Cause (mom being overly protective) and then effect (you getting annoyed, and whatever other consequences that stem from your mother being overly protective; i.e. the issues between you and your mom with regard to your mom's overly protective nature). A to B, 1 to 2, groping to intercourse.
I can't believe I'm explaining causality to an adult.
None of which even addresses
the ridiculous notion you posited two weeks ago that all the descriptions about revealing mutual feelings and confirming them to be the same could have been a discussion about negative feelings. And, as always, this suggestion remains invisible as well, rather than something within the game you can point to.
Anastar said:
Anastar said:
Of course they can. Once again, the date mechanism makes the feelings mutual between Cloud and whatever partner you pick. If Cloud behaves "nicely" to the partner, then the affection of that partner increases for Cloud. If Cloud behaves "nicely" to the partner, then Cloud's affection for that partner increases, too. Same thing happens in reverse if Cloud doesn't act nicely to the partner. The partner's affection for Cloud decreases, and Cloud's affection for that partner decreases.
Therefore, if you get the Low Affection version, Tifa has a low affection rating for Cloud and Cloud has a low affection rating for Tifa. Therefore, their feelings are mutual in the Low Affection scene.
You're still applying a gameplay-only mechanic to the set-in-stone narrative, despite repeated official statements that Tifa loves Cloud romantically. Within the actual narrative, this is how she always will feel.
The player trying to change it with a gameplay mechanic will no more change Tifa's feelings than leaving Vincent in the basement of the Shin-Ra Manor will make him not join AVALANCHE. She loves Cloud, and Vincent joined the team. Those things cannot be changed.
And you're going on the assumption that love can never change.
What the fuck, woman? That's your position. I've been saying for quite some time now that the reason Tifa would even be asking Cloud a question like "Do you love me?" in Case of Tifa is because feelings can change.
But a fucking gameplay mechanic is not going to change shit that has been otherwise shown to be the case within the original game, its film sequel, and their novella interquel. Tifa romantically loves Cloud. End of story.
Anastar said:
What you mean by "Tifa loves Cloud" may be very different than what another random Cloti supporter means by "Tifa loves Cloud".
... What?
I don't even know what you're trying to say here. It's like listening to the insightful political revelations of the dude at the bar down at Chili's when he's had too much.
Anastar said:
Nomura himself is saying that Tifa loves Cloud there, but he's saying that she loves him from a maternal perspective rather than as a sexual partner.
So, despite what you say, "Tifa loves Cloud" can have many different meanings, and not all meanings convey that he is a romantic partner.
What point are you trying to make? Good Fucking Lord. You had literally just said that there are "degrees of love" and "that all are experienced at a different intensity in different ways by different individuals" -- and just a few lines later it looks like you're trying to argue that Tifa can only love Cloud in one way at a time.
I would be crying at what a cognitive clusterfuck all this is if it wasn't so fucking funny at the same time.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Not to mention you're still pointing to a scene that simply does not exist.
And which scene is this? The Low Affection version of the Highwind scene? How can you say it doesn't exist when the script for it is given in the FFVII UO?
What I'm saying doesn't exist is this bullshit you keep positing about there being an additional conversation in the low affection version (after Cloud and Tifa said they were going to sleep), in which "mutual feelings of disinterest" are expressed.
And you've still not explained how the fuck it's supposed to make sense that there's an additional, undepicted, undescribed conversation for a scene that was officially described as "rather short" when compared to another version of the scene.
Anastar said:
You told us that the scripts for both versions were given in the FFVII UO when you visited the CxA Forum:
What you just described is the high affection version and the low affection version. That's all there is.
Again, the Ultimania Omega (pg. 201) provides the script for both versions, and the high affection version doesn't have more than one reaction for Tifa. That one reaction is "Were you watching?" followed by crumbling to the floor. ~TresDias, Nov 20, 2009
Source:
http://s8.zetaboards.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/single/?p=297495&t=529440
Didn't you say that the script being available means that version is canon?
No, little Lucy Liesalot. I did not say that.
Are you seriously trying to quote mine me now? The very person you're fucking debating? Did you think I wouldn't remember that conversation, and what it was about?
And you're providing a link to the original post, where anyone can see the actual context of that quote?
You know full well, as will anyone who clicks on that link, that I was correcting the misinformation you were spreading about there being three versions of the Highwind scene. You insisted
for years that there were three versions: the low affection version, a high affection version in which Tifa taps her foot and says "Were you listening?" as she does in the low affection version, and then another high affection version (a
higher high affection version) in which she falls to the floor in embarassment and asks "Were you watching?"
You even posted a random screenshot of Tifa tapping her foot from the low affection version, and tried to convince me that it was from this elusive lower affection version of the high affection version. And then said even Clotis had told you they had gotten this scene.
Source:
http://s8.zetaboards.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/single/?p=297493&t=529440
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What are you trying to pull, and who are you trying to fool?
Anastar said:
It's from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide. For your fucking information.
Anastar said:
It's the Impressive Scenes pages, and you forgot to mention that Aerith's death scene is there, too. You know, the part where Cloud is holding a dead Aerith in his arms and saying, "What are we going to do?"
Yeah, I know the part. I've played the goddamn game.
And, no, Ms. Direction, I didn't forget to mention it. I mentioned it -- and provided a scan -- nearly two years ago when I got the fucking book, mention of it has been in
my FFVII Plot Analysis FAQ for just as long, and you're full of crap.
Anastar said:
I always thought that it would be rather weird for Cloud to say "we" to mean "Avalanche" because Avalanche didn't know about Holy until Disk Two. So it's more likely that Cloud means "me and Aerith" when he says, "we".
Substantiate this and we'll talk about it.
Anastar said:
Then there's the pic of Cloud laying Aerith into the water during the funeral. Ye know, the same pic they used in the commercial with the caption "Love" over it:
Yes, we're all very aware of your fetish for this commercial at this point. Respond to what I said to you about it previously, 'cause I ain't going over that shit again until you give me the dignity of a fucking response about it.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
But anybody who's played the game knows that he's talking about his feelings for her as a kid when he says that line. There's nothing saying that those are his feelings for her now, except on an optional basis.
The quote doesn't say "past feelings" or "his feelings when they were children." Just "his feelings for Tifa." That's straightforward.
But it
can't be Cloud's feelings for her now, except on an optional basis ...
Why can't it?
Anastar said:
... - even SE says so when they specify in the 20th AU that the HW scene has a deviation and when they specify in the FFVII UO that the HW scene has a Low Affection and a High Affection version.
No, pointing out that options exist doesn't preclude one -- or either -- from actually happening. Fuck's sake, the U20 Scenario guide's story summary for X-2 even speaks of the Bad Ending where you let Shuyin fire Vegnagun at Spira and destroy the planet. It's very clear about which ending actually occurs, though.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Shall I look it up for you?
PRECEPT II.--Treat different topics in separate paragraphs, and distinct sentiments in separate sentences.
Source:
http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Grammar-of-English-Grammars48.html
Yeah, stop trying it. You're really trying to argue that the two lines are grouped together separate from the rest of the shit on the page, but have no relation to each other? That those two lines are just randomly floating on the page, disconnected from any cogent message? Bull. Shit. You don't believe that.
And you obviously have no way to argue the point since you're resorting to insults as the only possible comeback.
First, I did argue the point. I made the very sensible assertion that two lines grouped together on a page separately from the rest of the lines on the page are related to one another.
Secondly, I didn't insult you. I called you out on your bullshit. You insulted me by saying the bullshit.
If you feel insulted when I point out that you're spreading bullshit, that isn't my problem. There's not a goddamn thing I can do about that. It's up to you to stop your spreading of bullshit.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Exactly my point. If it's not shown in the HA version, what makes you think it's shown in the LA version?
If you don't require it to be shown in the HA version, and you're relying on the description which says they communicated mutual feelings without words, then why do you require that it be shown in the LA version? Why isn't it enough that we are told that their conversation is apathetic?
If it's enough for the HA version that SE tells us what they said (or demonstrated without words), then it should be enough for the LA version that SE tells us what they said.
Yeah, except the high affection version does show us what we've been told it contains. We see Cloud looking for the words to convey his feelings, come up short, and then Tifa recommend a physical display instead.
You're inventing a scene that does not exist.
But I've already shown you that SE
does describe the LA version, and we know it exists because the script for the LA version is given on page 201 in the FFVII UO (according to you).
If you know of SE's description of the low affection version, as well as the script of it in the UO, then you should be aware that neither SE's description of it nor the script includes any of the stuff you made up about "mutual feelings of disinterest."
Anastar said:
For your information, it was Quex who kept translating the word "tanpaku" as "apathetic". I always said that "candid" made more sense.
So now you've lied about hito, myself and Que (the one person around here who was still willing to stand up for you; ironically, all three of us have been willing to at different points in time). Any further self-alienation you'd like to get out of the way?
Anastar said:
But no matter... fine, let's go with "candid". Candid means honest, does it not?
candid ~adjective
1. frank; outspoken; open and sincere: a candid critic.
2. free from reservation, disguise, or subterfuge; straightforward: a candid opinion.
3. informal; unposed: a candid photo.
4. honest; impartial: a candid mind.
Source:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/candid
Actually, it's the "impartial" meaning of "candid" that would apply here. As in, not emotional. It's the only meaning of "candid" that's similar to all the other possible meanings of "tanpaku" ("indifferent," "simple," "apathetic," "ingenuous," "plain," "light," etc.).
Anastar said:
So it means that Cloud was being honest with Tifa about his feelings and vice versa.
Holy mother of fuck. I always wondered if it would happen, and it has. So now you're simultaneously treating the phrase as meaning both "apathetic"/"lacking in feelings" and "revealing of feelings"?
Will you jump to anything that will, for the moment, give you something to prop your wishful thinking on?
Anastar said:
Cloud can't honestly say to Tifa something like, "Look, Tifa, you mean a lot to me, but... I'm not in love with you. At least, not romantically. You're more like a sister to me than anything else."
Sure, he could. He didn't, but he could. Still waiting for you to show me a scene in the goddamn game where this shit goes down, though.
Anastar said:
It's more than obvious that SE left out the actual conversations on purpose because they wanted it to be left open to the interpretation of the player.
I thought your position was that the different versions themselves existed to leave shit up to the players. So now there has to be invisible conversations within already optional deviations to further leave shit up to the interpretation of the player? Having different versions is not enough on its own?
Why can't you be consistent?
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Well, if you don't have to pay any attention to our quotes, why should I have to pay any attention to your quotes?
I am paying attention to the quote, goddammit. I'm just not examining it in a vacuum like you are, and then applying the vacuum-sealed results of an isolated analysis to everything outside the vacuum.
Once again, let's get personal about each other's approach so that we can avoid actually answering.
Pointing out that you're applying an analysis performed in a vacuum to everything outside the vacuum is not actually addressing what's wrong with your approach? Yeah, that's not actually answering at all.
What bullshit.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
You're ignoring two other quotes from Nomura that contradict your claim of what he said there.
Know why I'm ignoring them? You're the first person to PM those quotes to me. The only parts of this thread I read are the posts sent to me in PM. If you don't send it to me in PM, then I don't read it.
We know for a fact that you've been familiar with Nomura's "koibito" quote for several years, so don't even try to pretend you're just learning of it now. As for the other one, fine, whatever.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Ariadne said:
The one Que posted several days ago that was said in May 2004:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=369931&postcount=1382
More than a year before Advent Children was released, Nomura was asked what the relationship between Cloud and Tifa was -- and responded that the movie shows it.
Actually, Nomura didn't say that, according to Quex's post:
"What is the relation of Cloud and Tifa."
Nomura: I believe that this volume [the movie] is able to deeply grasp the truth concerning the relationship between the two. It's easy to completely explain using words but..."
Nomura said that the movie
grasps the truth concerning the relationship between Cloud and Tifa. He didn't say the movie
shows the relationship between Cloud and Tifa.
Oh, come the fuck on. What the fuck do you think that means?
What the hell kind of wordplay is this? You're going to try to convince us that the movie contains a deep understanding of their relationship, and yet that understanding isn't expressed?
Anastar said:
However, I think you're being too hard on Nomura. He obviously knows the relationship between Cloud and Tifa, but he said he didn't know the relationship between them in the Nov interview. I think what he's doing is very obvious. He says he doesn't know because he doesn't want to reveal it. Parents do that to kids all the time - it's an old tactic. People do that when they're trying to keep a secret.
...
Which most likely means he doesn't want to tell - he wants people to figure it out for themselves.
Welcome to what several of us have been saying for years (i.e. since Nomura said that).
Thanks, by the way, for formally conceding your claim that there is no official resolution to the love triangle on the basis of Nomura not knowing about Cloud and Tifa's relationship, and that the high affection Highwind scene could not have taken place "because he should have known about their relationship if it had," etc.
Basically, everything you've espoused to have believed since you changed your public position from "Clerith is canon" to "the love triangle is open-ended."
Glad to see you admit that the original position never changed. Not that it was ever more than thinly veiled to begin with, what with the constant references to the "koibito" line in Case of the Lifestream White -- as though that said anything about Cloud's feelings -- and that goddamn commercial, which you insist says that Aerith is Cloud's koibito.
But now you have finally done something in this thread that I can have some respect for: you admitted that you're still firmly in the "Clerith is canon" camp. Good on you.
Is it not relieving to have it out in the open? They say the truth will set you free, and it's the truth (see what I did there?
). Honesty is good for the soul. Keep it up.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Do you see the problem with your claim that he has no idea what their relationship is? He'd already said he did know.
And I guess I'm too subtle for you ...
Yeah, that's why communication broke down in here. Okay.
Bull fucking shit, by the way. If that quote hadn't come along, you'd still be sitting right there on your claim -- in public anyway -- that by "I don't know" Nomura meant "I don't know."
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Second
In the Reunion Files, Nomura says that one of Tifa's roles is that of a koibito. Even if you refuse to admit that it's referring to Cloud, given your insistence otherwise that koibito implies mutual feelings, if Tifa's somebody's koibito, Nomura should damn well know what the status of Cloud and Tifa's relationship is.
FACT: it does not say that she's a koibito to
ANYONE. Therefore, you cannot assign that role to anyone that you want to. SE has to do that.
And you can't assign any translation of "koibito" that you want to its use in Case of the Lifestream White. You have to go by the context.
And in any case, as has been repeated ad nauseum, one cannot be a koibito without being a koibito to someone else. Jesus fucking Christ.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
And Nomura being one of the writers of the movie isn't important, either:
"When Nomura joined Visual Works on the project, way back in 2003, the CG movie had been originally planned and announced as a 20-minute short. "It consisted of no action sequences and only featured Cloud and Tifa," remembered Nomura. "It was a good piece in itself, but as an entertainment piece or product, 20 minutes is too short and the story wasn't enough." So Nomura came up with a more intricate plot himself, and had scenario writer Kazushige Nojima-- who also worked on FFVII, VIII, and X with Nomura-- flesh out the scenes. "The new story turned out to be approximately an hour and since then we kept adding scenes and episodes. But the 20-minute piece is still the base of what we have now." (Anime Insider's October Issue, 2005)
So Nojima didn't write it by himself. Nomura was involved in the writing, too.
To be accurate, that isn't the same as writing the script (not to mention that Nojima's the one who decided that Cloud and Tifa would be together, and is the one responsible for their characterization), but, yes, I'll grant you that Nomura played a significant role in crafting the plot.
IMO, crafting the plot is actually more important than crafting the script, since you can't have a script without a plot to base it on. Usually, too, the script writer consults with the plot writer before making any changes.
Let's just settle for "They're both very important." I think we might actually agree on that.
Anastar said:
And Nojima didn't say whether "together" meant together romantically or together as friends, did he? I mean, you could say that Cid and Shera were together when Avalanche got to Rocket Town in FFVII, but Cid and Shera weren't romantically involved at that time.
My point in mentioning the "together" quote is that Nojima seems to have been the one concerned about the interpersonal relationships of the characters, while Nomura was more concerned about the action-oriented details.
Hell, Nojima is the one who wrote the On the Way to a Smile stories, after all. The only one credited with writing them, in fact.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
By the way: Why are you still referring to interviews when you've already said you only want to go by what's in games, movies and novellas? Apply an even fucking standard.
No, what I said was that I would only go by what's in games, movies, and novella's to
canonize a pairing. I never said we had to ignore interviews. To quote me:
The point is that you are claiming that something is established as canon without it ever being backed up by what happened in the games/movies/novellas. IF something is made canon, it will be established as canon in the games/movie/novella FIRST and then mentioned in the book(s). If something has NOT been established as canon in the games/movies/novellas first, then I will not accept that it is canon because it's mentioned in the book.
Source:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?p=370478&highlight=games%2C+movies%2C+novella%27s#post370478
I take it you haven't considered that what's in the books is illuminating what's already in the games/movies/novellas. Pretty much the way interviews often do.
Anastar said:
Where did I say we had to ignore interviews?
It was implied by the rest of what you said. If you aren't accepting Ultimanias on the basis that they aren't a game, movie or novella, it's only logical to extend that extra-textual standard to interviews as well.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Chantara said:
According to Cloti's before the publication of CoLWhite, "koibito" always meant lover, sweetheart, boy/girlfriend - mutual attraction. Even your translator Vilaeth said so. Funny how the meaning has conveniently changed once CoLWhite got published.
Yeah, bullshit. Que's already pointed to where hito said "koibito" can be one-sided pre-Case of the Lifestream (Ryu did too).
The meaning was always the same. Your attempt at rewriting history with lies? FUCKING FAILED.
No, it didn't fail at all ...
Is that an admission of trying to rewrite history with lies?
Anastar said:
... since what I quoted showed that Hito was using both meanings - the meaning of "lover/sweetheart/boyfriend" and the meaning of "beloved". You only acknowledge the one meaning.
The word "koibito" can be translated both ways. That means a possible meaning for the word's usage in CoLWhite is "lover/sweetheart/boyfriend", in which case Cloud loves Aerith, too.
For fuck's sake, it's been quoted at you repeatedly where I have said that "koibito" can be translated multiple ways, but that its root meaning remains the same, and that the translations that are applicable are based solely on the context. You can't just pick whichever word you would like to translate it with.
The context informs the meaning.
Look, you've admitted you know little about the language. Stop making yourself look like a fucking moron by quoting hito when I -- and others participating in this thread -- have spoken with the man at length about this very topic, and when he and I are in complete agreement about the usage of the word.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Actually, there is. See what I have labeled as "cabinet" in the following picture?
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff97/Alexa024/CloudsRoom1.png
That pic's lightened, but you can find the original here:
http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/ACCScreens1/?action=view¤t=vlcsnap-2555669.png
At any rate, that thing in the corner that I labeled as "CABINET" looks like it has drawers to me. Then there's an open trunk right in front of it where he could put clothes.
Annie, your "cabinet" is a box. One not even as tall as the desk. And that "trunk" isn't even as thick as the motorcycle tire laying beside it.
"Am not!!!" "Are so!!!"
I can't really take offense to this unless both of those hypothetical quotes are supposed to be attributed to me; 'cause you're kind of rooting yourself out there as one half of a childish squabble as well.
In any case, the box is a box; not a cabinet. You've been told why.
The toolbox is a toolbox; not a trunk. You've been told why.
Anastar said:
Or it could indicate that he actually considers his motorcycle his room, since he puts money into what he wears and the motorcycle he rides instead of where he lives. A shrink would most likely say that he's trying to dissociate himself from the Seventh Heaven that way.
A shrink would probably say and do a lot more about a man like that, but that's irrelevant since you haven't established that Cloud is such a man.
Which brings up something I really feel the need to comment on.
Cloud, according to you, gets Tifa to pay for this motorcycle -- with a promise of lifetime labor on her part -- for his own leisurely use. He also spends what they expected to be their last night among the living telling her he has no interest in her romantically. He cares more for his buddy's kid than the one his lover supposedly brought to him (remember your argument about the flashes during the fight with Sephiroth), and deliberately distances himself from the home he brought that kid into. He also cares more for a dead chick than three living people he has the audacity to call his family. And he cohabitates with Tifa for years with no intention of ever giving her a shot outside the Friend Zone.
Between this notion of what kind of man Cloud is, and
aerbear's suggestion that in Maiden Who Travels the Planet Aerith didn't want her friend Tifa to act on her feelings for Cloud/wanted Cloud to be all hers despite her death, I have to say ... what a couple of assholes.
I mean, really. It's been said before, but it's the fuckdamn truth: "Love Beyond Death" Clerith's Cloud and Aerith are two genuinely shitty people. They deserve each other -- and only each other. If they're really supposed to be this awful, I'm not sad she died, I wish Geostigma had won the arm wrestle with Cloud, and the best thing Tifa could do is leave that dickwad in the Lifestream next time he falls in.
What a godawful pairing.
Anastar said:
It's not on the Timeline published at TLS, but I've always heard it's at least a couple of months.
Well, we'll need better than that, won't we?
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Also notice the MIRROR - no need for that in an office.
I'm really not seeing a mirror. And, yeah, actually, I've seen mirrors in lots of offices.
Turns out that's the window of the door, as shown in this picture:
http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/ACCScreens1/?action=view¤t=vlcsnap-2555559.png
Imagine that.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Then all the boxes, probably for him to store his personal stuff.
Instead of business supplies?
Point is, it could be either one - and we don't know for sure which one it is.
So where's he keep his invoices and shit for running the business? That on his bike too, since it's his other room?
Oh, Cloud, you are one mixed up little wad of chocobo spunk, aren't ya? Keeping your clothes in your office, your business invoices on your bike -- and who knows where the fuck you actually sleep.
Anastar said:
Ariadne said:
Anastar said:
Oh, and look at the beds in Marlene and Denzel's room!
Once again, only a single mattress with no boxspring. Just like Cloud's bed. Only difference is that they have a bedspread, but I really don't think Cloud would care about that.
And look, they only have ONE cabinet for the two of them. Not much bigger than the one in Cloud's room. Of course, he also has the trunk and boxes to keep stuff in. Oh, and look! They don't have a nightstand either - just like Cloud.
There's a nightstand right there between the two kids' beds. And that actual cabinet is way bigger than the thing in the office you're calling a cabinet.
So what is this? If I say it, it must be wrong - but if you say it, it must be right? Is that the way this game is scored?
You're discussing absolutely nothing, Tres. All of your responses are basically saying no more than,
"No, it's not!!!!!" to everything I say.
Yeah, 'cause I've been getting direct and poignant responses from your direction.
Listen: that's a fucking nightstand. That's an actual fucking cabinet, instead of a goddamn box.
I've heard Que say your vision is challenged, and I'm very sorry about that. I hope there's an optical solution for you to have a happy, non-hampered life. You're wrong, though.
If you aren't, you can point to empty space between the kids' beds instead of the nightstand that is actually there. You can also demonstrate that the scale of the kids' furniture is comparable to the box in Cloud's office that you keep calling a cabinet.
Until you've done these things, sit your ass down and drink your goddamn cup of stfu.
Oh wait it is.
