I totally didn't know that! The last time I did a full play-through was years ago. But thanks for providing me with even more proof in favor of my ship!! Thanks, Ryu!
You do realize 'Unreliable prognosticator prognosticates a thing that doesn't happen' doesn't actually help you... right?
Who said he is reliable?
I specifically said that I'm not arguing about how reliable his prediction is. I'm arguing about why SE decided to include a wedding prediction about Cloud and Aerith in the game.
... Because they want to set you up for an emotional whammy by A: having a character sacrifice himself and coming right back as per established trope, and B: having the same character talk about the bright future and fulfilled dreams of the character who is actually going to die.
You have absolutely no proof of this.
"In FF7, Tifa is the only one who knows Cloud’s childhood, and furthermore, she holds the key to people involved in the story of Nibelheim’s burning down, which is also depicted in CC. She and Cloud came to realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC." Tifa's profile, CCU
They come to realize their feelings for each other, and thus live together later. The ideas are linked.
QED
So? It's the family they were forming. A family that Cloud and Square-Enix noticably omit Barret from.
Seventh Heaven has always been home-base for those who lived/met in Midgar. Seems only natural that those who met and lived in Midgar would return to Midgar and co-habit/live together.
Which is why Barret leaves immediately and does not live together with Cloud and Tifa for 2+ years.
So is Aerith. How is being an important woman proof of a romantic relationship?
It's not. Not on it's own. But you'll note that Tifa is much more than just an important woman. She's an important woman, the mother of the family she and Cloud formed (in which he is father) , mother to their adopted child, the woman with whom he shares a past, and a future, the only woman he ever opened his heart too, I could go on.
The future they have is not stated to be romantic.
Please, see above.
What after the HAHW scene is proof of a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa?
His words to her right after Meteorfall? Them moving in together? Her being someone's beloved while living with Cloud, that they move in, form a family, have relationship problems, all of these things are narrative shorthand for a couple moving in to a new phase of a relationship. You ask why SE would imply a wedding if they didn't want us thinking about a romance, I ask, why would they tell us Cloud and Tifa moved in together, formed a family, have a future together, etc. etc. etc. if we are not excpected to infer a romantic relationship from all this?
Cloud and Aerith have a koibito quote, too.
No, Aerith has a 'Cloud is my Koibito' quote. From her perspective. Tifa has a 'This is what she IS' quote from the perspective of the creator.
So....? All that proves is how Denzel feels towards them. It tell us nothing about Cloud and Tifa's relationship, nor how they feel towards each other.
She sees him as the daddy. He sees her as the mom. They view him as their child. That actually tells us rather a lot, narratively.
Yet SE decided to have Tifa ask if Cloud loved her. This implies Cloud and Tifa may not be in a romantic relationship after the HAHW scene if Cloud doesn't love her. If Tifa doesn't know, how do you know? There obviously must be a reason why SE decided to have Tifa ask if Cloud loved her (and her insecurity issues are not the only reason). Nojima speaks of a premise that things won't go well between Cloud and Tifa, which is probably why Tifa wonders if Cloud loves her.
What it implies is that things are not going well for them at that time. Which, given Cloud's survivor's guilt and self blame for the death of several good friends, is understandable, it being the reason he grew distant from Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, despite how happy living with them made him. In point of fact, it is that very happiness that makes him feel so guilty and makes him draw away.
Yet SE decided to show a bed in Cloud's separate room.
Yes, because offices in houses often do double duty as guest bedrooms. My parents' house had an office/ guestroom. My house has an office/ guestroom with a bed. What they don't show us is a dresser, a closet, or any amenities one might expect of a proper bedroom, including sheets on that bed. Or cot, rather, since that's barely a mattress.
Yet SE decided to tell us Tifa was irritated about Cloud visiting Aerith's Church in a passage about her jealousy towards her "love rival".
Let's look at the actual quote.
"Tifa’s complicated feelings continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world.
This was due to the fact that Cloud, succumbing to the notion that Aerith’s death was his fault and condemning himself, construed that Denzel was “the child which Aerith brought here” and took care of him. In addition, Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he
isn’t merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith."
Seems more to do with that he's dragging his self condemnation around and that's dishonoring Aerith's memory, not that OMG he's still thinking about Aerith, because TIFA HERSELF IS STILL THINKING ABOUT AERITH.
"Tifa, smiling towards Aerith’s presence. Cherishing Aerith is Tifa’s honest feeling."
Yet Nomura said, "For example, I was frequently asked if there had been romantic relationship between Tifa and Cloud for two years, after FF7 ended, but I don't have any clue." ~Nomura, Dorimaga interview, published at Flaregamer
One, that quote is so old that you trying to use it to disprove everything that's been decided in the, what, eight years since it came out is absolutely hilarious.
What's also hilarious is that you keep quoting Sheila's site when you use this quote, which would amuse her to no end, since she thinks quoting this to try and prove the compilation could not have gone Cloti is one of the dumbest things you Pinkers do.
Yet SE decided to call Cloud and Tifa, "childhood friends" in both the FFVII and Advent Children relationship charts, even though they provided different descriptions for Cloud and Aerith in both charts. If Cloud and Tifa's relationship changed from FFVII to AC, why were they given the same description for both charts? Why wasn't their description changed like Cloud and Aerith's were? In addition, Cloud and Tifa NEVER have mutual favor arrows in any relationship chart.
Once again, argumentum ad flowchart. Once again, I fail to be impressed and point out that several other couples get the 'childhood friends' treatment in these flowcharts. Including people who have kids later. Very friendly, those ones.
You have ZERO evidence that Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship after the HAHW scene. Living together =/= romantic relationship (Cid and Shera lived together. Were they in a romantic relationship?)
Yes. A twisted and broken one for a long time, but yes, actually, I'd say they lived together in part because of the unresolved sexual tension that they finally acted on. You do know they get married, right?
Seventh Heaven is home base for those that met in Midgar. Tifa, Barret, Marlene, and Cloud formed a family together in a place where Cloud has a separate room and his own bed. To assume that Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship is a huge assumption on your part and flies the face of Nojima's premise that things won't go well between them and Nomura's quote about not knowing the status of their relationship.
Actually, you assuming they don't have a relationship is what flies in the face of Nojima's premise. The statement 'Things won't go well between them' is, rather like the statement 'She wears the pants' reliant upon a romantic relationship being implicit in the context to make sense. It's narrative shorthand that never gets used for platonic pairs, and honestly sounds bizarre if you try and use it between friends.
Look, we know Cloud and Tifa have romantic feelings for each other. These get unveiled in the lifestream sequence. It's the Highwind scene where they say anything about them- and we know they do so because of a multitude of quote that take them doing just that as a given, including Tifa's profile in the CCU.
You ask what do the two do that's romantic? My answer is everything. Everything they do post-FF7 is what you would expect a young couple to do. They move in together. They raise kids (sooner than most, but still), they have fights, issues, and reconciliations. They have a future together. If I was writing a story about a couple with an adopted child while fostering another, I could easily use Cloud and Tifa as my template. Because stories require conflict. And while AC is largely about Cloud's inner turmoil of guilt and fear of loss, it's also about how that turmoil is affecting his family, just dressed up in one hell of a whiz-bang action flick.
So, yeah, gonna echo GLD here. You use a lot of words to say nothing, BB.
