30 minutes of brand new footage, & 100 changes to the original FFVII AC
- Thread starter Makoeyes987
- Start date
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Well if Cloud and Tifa are to have a family with a kids, a kid's gotta come from somewhere 
I mean, one day, Barret *is* gonna ask for Marlene back. So Denzel is there so that they can actually have a kid that's their own in a sense.
Plus, it does give a human face to Geostigma, and adds tension to Cloud's drive to protect those closest to him.
@Tetsujin
Well should they just steal Marlene then?
I mean, one day, Barret *is* gonna ask for Marlene back. So Denzel is there so that they can actually have a kid that's their own in a sense.
Plus, it does give a human face to Geostigma, and adds tension to Cloud's drive to protect those closest to him.
@Tetsujin
Well should they just steal Marlene then?
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Sadly, S-E does not share our mature and perverse opinion...
But honestly, I don't want Tifa to have to sit out for nine months thanks to pregnancy and thus be regulated as a background mother character. She should not become the FFVII equivalent to Chichi or Android 18.
But honestly, I don't want Tifa to have to sit out for nine months thanks to pregnancy and thus be regulated as a background mother character. She should not become the FFVII equivalent to Chichi or Android 18.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
You're a sick man, Tets. 
Isabella
Your Mom
I see your point. Though it would certainly silence the "Denzel is Cloud and Aerith's child" nonsense. And even with an adopted child, Cloud and Tifa should really be more careful than they were before. The child still depends on them, biological or not. In DoC, it seems a little irresponsible as parents that they both charged into battle after taking the kids to safety. Certainly that's what fans want, but if you view the situation realistically it's a bit hazardous and could very well make the children orphans yet again.
I guess C & T are just confident in their own badassery. Certainly Cloud seems to be by that point. I love cocky Cloud. =D
I guess C & T are just confident in their own badassery. Certainly Cloud seems to be by that point. I love cocky Cloud. =D
Shademp
420
[quote author=Isabella link=topic=559.msg23072#msg23072 date=1235594743]
I guess C & T are just confident in their own badassery. Certainly Cloud seems to be by that point. I love cocky Cloud. =D
[/quote]
Those few seconds of Cloud pawnage in DoC almost makes me forgive the game for existing.
I wonder how Marlene will react if Barret ever settles down so he can be her guardian again. Will she be so settled with Cloud, Denzel and Tifa that she doesn't want to leave? That makes me think they could increase the depth of Marlene's character. But obviously that won't be dealt with in ACC.
I guess C & T are just confident in their own badassery. Certainly Cloud seems to be by that point. I love cocky Cloud. =D
[/quote]
Those few seconds of Cloud pawnage in DoC almost makes me forgive the game for existing.
I wonder how Marlene will react if Barret ever settles down so he can be her guardian again. Will she be so settled with Cloud, Denzel and Tifa that she doesn't want to leave? That makes me think they could increase the depth of Marlene's character. But obviously that won't be dealt with in ACC.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
But this isn't reality, and Cloud and Tifa are form from real or normal
They apparently are quite confident in fighting for the feature of their friends and family and feel no hesitation throwing themselves into the enemy's face if it means smashing it with a fist or sword.
And I'm sure Marlene wouldn't forget who her real father is. She's of age to know that Cloud and Tifa are her family, but Barret will always be her father.
They apparently are quite confident in fighting for the feature of their friends and family and feel no hesitation throwing themselves into the enemy's face if it means smashing it with a fist or sword.
And I'm sure Marlene wouldn't forget who her real father is. She's of age to know that Cloud and Tifa are her family, but Barret will always be her father.
Shademp
420
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=559.msg23081#msg23081 date=1235595605]
And I'm sure Marlene wouldn't forget who her real father is. She's of age to know that Cloud and Tifa are her family, but Barret will always be her father.
[/quote]
Indeed. It would still be difficult for her though.
I'm not going to dwell more on Marlene after this post, but I wonder how she would deal with it if she learned that her biological father became a cold-blooded killer. Hopefully she won't learn of this until adolescence. Not only that, but she seems totally unaware of how destructive Avalanche's No.1 Reactor bombing was. So not only did Dyne end up a psychotic killer but her living family have committed morally ambiguous actions.
If there was anything to lift Marlene out of being the innocent character, with a strong connection to Aerith, I think it would be the above issues. But Marlene IS the stereotypical innocent child. She'll stay that way.
End of Marlene ranting.
And I'm sure Marlene wouldn't forget who her real father is. She's of age to know that Cloud and Tifa are her family, but Barret will always be her father.
[/quote]
Indeed. It would still be difficult for her though.
I'm not going to dwell more on Marlene after this post, but I wonder how she would deal with it if she learned that her biological father became a cold-blooded killer. Hopefully she won't learn of this until adolescence. Not only that, but she seems totally unaware of how destructive Avalanche's No.1 Reactor bombing was. So not only did Dyne end up a psychotic killer but her living family have committed morally ambiguous actions.
If there was anything to lift Marlene out of being the innocent character, with a strong connection to Aerith, I think it would be the above issues. But Marlene IS the stereotypical innocent child. She'll stay that way.
End of Marlene ranting.
Cthulhu
Administrator
- AKA
- Yop
Well perhaps, but what good would it do to add story to some character that's only got a minorly supportive role - at best - in just one part of the compilation (as far as I know)? I mean, there's no interaction whatsoever - as far as I can remember from AC / can gather from ACC - between Cloud / Tifa and this kid, except a one-liner from the kid himself about the dude or something. So in terms of 'giving C&T a kid', they've failed to get that point across - at least, in the original movie, dunno what they'll do with it in the new one.
Nay, Marlene got a bigger role than Denzel, making that kid a rather pointless addition - imho.
Also, fuck that shit, internet quitting on me every night,
.
Isabella
Your Mom
Valid point. I hope ACC does expand a bit on the whole family thing. I think there's already a line in a trailer from Cloud saying he wants to protect them. That's already more than we got from AC. Hell, if you don't do your "research" (and why should you have to to watch a movie?) it would be hard to know what the hell is going on with Cloud and Tifa and this random kid.
Masamune
Fiat Lux
- AKA
- Masa
[quote author=Shademp link=topic=559.msg23087#msg23087 date=1235596459]
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=559.msg23081#msg23081 date=1235595605]
And I'm sure Marlene wouldn't forget who her real father is. She's of age to know that Cloud and Tifa are her family, but Barret will always be her father.
[/quote]
Indeed. It would still be difficult for her though.
I'm not going to dwell more on Marlene after this post, but I wonder how she would deal with it if she learned that her biological father became a cold-blooded killer. Hopefully she won't learn of this until adolescence. Not only that, but she seems totally unaware of how destructive Avalanche's No.1 Reactor bombing was. So not only did Dyne end up a psychotic killer but her living family have committed morally ambiguous actions.
If there was anything to lift Marlene out of being the innocent character, with a strong connection to Aerith, I think it would be the above issues. But Marlene IS the stereotypical innocent child. She'll stay that way.
End of Marlene ranting.
[/quote]
I wouldn't really call Marlene innocent in the 'wrapped in cotton wool' sense. She's spent most of her life in the slums, and I'm sure she's seen a few shady encounters there, not to mention her pop constantly putting his life on the line for the 'good fight'. Then after aaaall that she looks after Denzel during his sickness while Cloud is too busy being a pussy.
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=559.msg23081#msg23081 date=1235595605]
And I'm sure Marlene wouldn't forget who her real father is. She's of age to know that Cloud and Tifa are her family, but Barret will always be her father.
[/quote]
Indeed. It would still be difficult for her though.
I'm not going to dwell more on Marlene after this post, but I wonder how she would deal with it if she learned that her biological father became a cold-blooded killer. Hopefully she won't learn of this until adolescence. Not only that, but she seems totally unaware of how destructive Avalanche's No.1 Reactor bombing was. So not only did Dyne end up a psychotic killer but her living family have committed morally ambiguous actions.
If there was anything to lift Marlene out of being the innocent character, with a strong connection to Aerith, I think it would be the above issues. But Marlene IS the stereotypical innocent child. She'll stay that way.
End of Marlene ranting.
[/quote]
I wouldn't really call Marlene innocent in the 'wrapped in cotton wool' sense. She's spent most of her life in the slums, and I'm sure she's seen a few shady encounters there, not to mention her pop constantly putting his life on the line for the 'good fight'. Then after aaaall that she looks after Denzel during his sickness while Cloud is too busy being a pussy.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Being a pussy? It's kind of hard not to feel a tad down when faced with your own mortality and the other shit he's faced in his life. When faced with a terminal illness, most people eventually resign their self to their fate and wait for death.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Yeah...because a guy who's spent 4 of his teenage years in a tube as a vegetable, then played pretend as a mind controlled Jenova slave and only has been himself for approximately two years since being a maladjusted 16 year old in the army is totally equipped to be a functional human being, let alone a father.
Yeah, relativity is helpful when comparing someone.
Yeah, relativity is helpful when comparing someone.
Cat Rage Room
Great Old One
- AKA
- Mog
You know, Mako is pretty right there. I've never seen it put that way, but it's a damn good point.
Shademp
420
Add to that his weaknesses caused the summoning of Meteor. Also, his one and probably only close friend died. Aerith died. His whole family and all his neighbours were killed in just a few minutes! He even thought Tifa to be dead.
Alot of death there.
I would argue that it is easier to overcome a direct physical threat, rather than an internal mental conflict. Dealing with illness can be tough. I believe that all the fighting in AC in a way became a channel for Cloud to physically battle his mental demons. Thus he could overcome them.
Alot of death there.
I would argue that it is easier to overcome a direct physical threat, rather than an internal mental conflict. Dealing with illness can be tough. I believe that all the fighting in AC in a way became a channel for Cloud to physically battle his mental demons. Thus he could overcome them.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
...Fighting is now on the same level as functioning and dealing with people?
Fighting is a helluva lot easier than actually living a normal human life and dealing with the responsibilities and hardships of having a meaningful relationship with another human being. That's not nearly as complex as just using your innate skill and just beating the hell out of whoever you need to.
Not making excuses, just stating a fact. You can't compare Cloud to a normal, functioning individual when Cloud is anything but and has nothing close to a normal life indicative of him being adjusted. He's just now starting to get the hang of life and happiness and suddenly he's given super AIDs. No shit, he's gonna react the wrong way.
Fighting is a helluva lot easier than actually living a normal human life and dealing with the responsibilities and hardships of having a meaningful relationship with another human being. That's not nearly as complex as just using your innate skill and just beating the hell out of whoever you need to.
Not making excuses, just stating a fact. You can't compare Cloud to a normal, functioning individual when Cloud is anything but and has nothing close to a normal life indicative of him being adjusted. He's just now starting to get the hang of life and happiness and suddenly he's given super AIDs. No shit, he's gonna react the wrong way.
Cat Rage Room
Great Old One
- AKA
- Mog
[quote author=Masamune link=topic=559.msg23113#msg23113 date=1235599704]
And yet this was the same guy who managed to overcome all that shit, dive into the centre of the world, fight-off monsters, and then crush the most powerful will in existence.
But hey, let's just make excuses for him. It's easier that way.
[/quote]
It's easier for people to do that sort of thing; i.e. bash faces in than fight with their inner demons and their family issues. Just ask anyone in the military, or special forces.
Seriously. I'm dead serious.
And yet this was the same guy who managed to overcome all that shit, dive into the centre of the world, fight-off monsters, and then crush the most powerful will in existence.
But hey, let's just make excuses for him. It's easier that way.
[/quote]
It's easier for people to do that sort of thing; i.e. bash faces in than fight with their inner demons and their family issues. Just ask anyone in the military, or special forces.
Seriously. I'm dead serious.
Masamune
Fiat Lux
- AKA
- Masa
lol fanboys.
If you think Cloud's fight in FFVII was purely physical, which I don't think you're naive enough to think but you are implying, then you're very much mistaken. In fact, the last battle itself is a metaphor for Cloud releasing the shackles of his past and scattering his mortal enemy to the four winds.
Even in FFVII, they thought the odds were stacked against them and didn't know if defeating Sephiroth would save the world from destruction, but they still clung to that shred of hope and kept fighting. Instead of drawing upon this experience, to stay by his family's side and fight together, Cloud pussies it and runs away.
If you think Cloud's fight in FFVII was purely physical, which I don't think you're naive enough to think but you are implying, then you're very much mistaken. In fact, the last battle itself is a metaphor for Cloud releasing the shackles of his past and scattering his mortal enemy to the four winds.
Even in FFVII, they thought the odds were stacked against them and didn't know if defeating Sephiroth would save the world from destruction, but they still clung to that shred of hope and kept fighting. Instead of drawing upon this experience, to stay by his family's side and fight together, Cloud pussies it and runs away.
Cat Rage Room
Great Old One
- AKA
- Mog
I have a friend in the military who's pretty much going through something similar to Cloud (kinda). This guy is in the special forces, and he's had all sorts of medals and honors for doing all sorts of combat related shit; one story he told me was about how his convoy in Iraq was attacked and they got in a huge gunfight, his good friend died, and he only survived by having to kill them off, while wounded waiting for backup.
Shit like that, and that's not the only thing that happened to him. Thing is, constantly having to do that shit warps your mind, and scars it. As time goes by, that sort of thing gets easier and easier, but actually integrating into normal society gets harder and harder, and the abysmal state of mental care in the military doesn't help either.
One of the biggest things he resents is people like Masamune's attitude, who think that someone who's killed people, survived battles, and seen and lived through lots of horrific shit is automatically equipped to handle the other issues, because many people go 'LOL IF YOU CAN DODGE BULLETS WHY CAN'T YOU TALK TO YOUR FAMILY'.
I mean, I know it sounds like a retarded comparison, but hmm...
Shit like that, and that's not the only thing that happened to him. Thing is, constantly having to do that shit warps your mind, and scars it. As time goes by, that sort of thing gets easier and easier, but actually integrating into normal society gets harder and harder, and the abysmal state of mental care in the military doesn't help either.
One of the biggest things he resents is people like Masamune's attitude, who think that someone who's killed people, survived battles, and seen and lived through lots of horrific shit is automatically equipped to handle the other issues, because many people go 'LOL IF YOU CAN DODGE BULLETS WHY CAN'T YOU TALK TO YOUR FAMILY'.
I mean, I know it sounds like a retarded comparison, but hmm...
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
...So because he was able to beat Sephiroth in a fight in the Northern Crater that means he's going to be a perfectly functional human being despite him having a severely traumatized and far from normal life?
Now THATS naive. Cloud thinking they wouldn't live in their fight to save the world, and winning doesn't magically solve all his problems or make him a fully adjusted human being. Please, that's incredibly unrealistic and absurd. Hope doesn't teach you how to be a man, care for a family, start a life, and essentially start from scratch when the last thing you remember in your life was being 16 and seeing your entire home razed.
How does saving the world suddenly fill the void of 4 years of missing time and life lessons?
Now THATS naive. Cloud thinking they wouldn't live in their fight to save the world, and winning doesn't magically solve all his problems or make him a fully adjusted human being. Please, that's incredibly unrealistic and absurd. Hope doesn't teach you how to be a man, care for a family, start a life, and essentially start from scratch when the last thing you remember in your life was being 16 and seeing your entire home razed.
How does saving the world suddenly fill the void of 4 years of missing time and life lessons?