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[Makoeyes987]

But that's totally irrelevant. His choice in the matter of going in for the kill still doesn't change the fact he's totally serious and wants Cloud defeated, humiliated and dead.

The amount of time difference between Cloud dying from decapitation or being brutally slashed and impaled is negligible in this situation. Because both result in quick, bloody, death.

I know what we're discussing (I hardly see this as an "argument", since an argument has connotations of a personal, combative verbal exchange which I hardly see this as) , but I still think you saying that if he had been truly going in for a quick kill he'd have gone for something else is a bit erroneous.

But if you truly don't want to continue discussing it then okay! Lolz, agree to disagree, baiz

 

[Lord Noctis]

Oh, so those numerous wide strokes couldn't have sliced Cloud in half? Any one of his attacks could have killed Cloud instantly. He only started playing around when Cloud lost his stride.

And what the hell, I'm arguing because I don't agree with you on that, are you intentionally ignoring that in favor of making inane statements?



LOL STUPID STATEMENTS ARE FUN.

Which do you think takes more time, imapling a guy before cutting his head off, or impaling him, flying his ass into the sky, pulling your blade out, the slicing him up, dropping his ass to the floor, and watching him bleed. Which takes more time Dacon?

 

[Lord Noctis]

But that's totally irrelevant. His choice in the matter of going in for the kill still doesn't change the fact he's totally serious and wants Cloud defeated, humiliated and dead.

The amount of time difference between Cloud dying from decapitation or being brutally slashed and impaled is negligible in this situation. Because both result in quick, bloody, death.

I know what we're discussing (I hardly see this as an "argument", since an argument has connotations of a personal, combative verbal exchange which I hardly see this as) , but I still think you saying that if he had been truly going in for a quick kill he'd have gone for something else is a bit erroneous.

But if you truly don't want to continue discussing it then okay! Lolz, agree to disagree, baiz

Thats not what I'm arguing here. I don't disagree it will kill Cloud in short order. But it will take a bit more time than a simple decapitation, and Sephiroth knows it.

But yeah, lets just gree to disagree.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The time factor is really irrelevant dude. Sephiroth is in the heat of the moment and has not plotted out before hand which way he's going to kill Cloud before hand, based on categorizing each possible outcome based on how long it takes for Cloud to expire.


.....Or did he?

Dun dun dada DUN!!!!

 

[Suzaku]

THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WASN'T TRYING TO KILL HIM.

Nor does it mean that it would have been that easy to kill him, clearly Cloud found a way to defend himself from the barrage, otherwise he'd be dead. All it means is he gave up a chance to attempt to do so, doesn't mean it would have been successful.

Did he remain suspended on the tree after already losing a hefty amount of blood? I also imagine he received medical attention not long after.

He remained suspended for a while, yes, and the scene where Cloud is stabbed is not that long, you know.

 

[Lord Noctis]

The time factor is really irrelevant dude. Sephiroth is in the heat of the moment and has not plotted out before hand which way he's going to kill Cloud before hand, based on categorizing each possible outcome based on how long it takes for Cloud to expire.


.....Or did he?

Whether it was planned or not, Sephiroth knows which method will take longer. Whether he planned it ahead of time, or made the choice on the spot, he still chose the slower of the two methods.

 

[IndianaoftheJones]

Damn you guys who've seen this stuff

 

[Makoeyes987]

I don't think you can really compare the two, Suzaku. I doubt your friend was impaled through the chest cavity after being exhausted due to a death fight several hours long, while also being brutally slashed and stuff.

It really depends what part of the torso someone is impaled. The chest cavity is seriously more critical than the abdominal. Way more vital targets. Any incursion into the chest area that results in that much blood loss and impalement would seriously be lethal without immediate medical attention.

 

[Max Payne]

Whether it was planned or not, Sephiroth knows which method will take longer. Whether he planned it ahead of time, or made the choice on the spot, he still chose the slower of the two methods.

Which he only did because he saw the opportunity, when Cloud lost his fire. If he saw him as an immediate threat he wouldn't have done what he did.

Sure he should have just killed him, but it doesn't matter. He saw a chance to make it hurt, and he did. He hates the man, and he wants him to feel it. By all rights, Cloud should have been done at that moment. Never has he just erupted into such a massive amount of limit energy and just exploded onto someone.

 

[Dark and Divine]

I didn't saw the battle yet, mind you, but from the pics i saw until now, i think that Sephiroth slashed Cloud several times after the impalement to make sure he would stay down.

Then enjoy for a moment the sight of Cloud completely defeated and bleeding all over the place...

Spoiler

...to then deliver the final blow.

Spoiler

He didn't exactly wanted to make Cloud suffer.

Sephiroth wanted to have the pleasure of seeing Cloud completely defenseless and on the verge of death to finish him right after.

Judging by the pics available until now, that's what happened.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Which he only did because he saw the opportunity, when Cloud lost his fire. If he saw him as an immediate threat he wouldn't have done what he did.

Sure he should have just killed him, but it doesn't matter. He saw a chance to make it hurt, and he did. He hates the man, and he wants him to feel it.

Thats basicly what I've been saying this whole time, which again begs the question, why are you still trying to debate it?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Dark and Divine pretty much echos my statements. And those pics..pretty much confirm it.

 

[Suzaku]

You're right, can't really compare the two, because one is reality while the other is obviously fantasy which works differently. Luckily, "serious medical attention" in Final Fantasy means drinking an X-Potion or using some Phoenix Down.

Trying to compare real life stuff to a fantasy of of course nonsense. Cloud's physiology obviously allows such feets as weilding a huge sword, flying around, and glowing when he gets really angry and hurt.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Dark and Divine pretty much echos my statements. And those pics..pretty much confirm it.

Those pics show Sephiroth not killing Cloud immediately, and I seriously doubt you think that Cloud was not in agony their. So really, those pics only reinforce my point.

 

[Makoeyes987]

@Suzaku

LOL exactly

But I think Cloud's ability to survive this shit is due to "a wizard did it" in the form of his spirit energy and powerful will. Cloud *does* have normal human anatomy, and if Sephiroth were to carve out his heart. He would die. No matter how badass he is.

Cloud is still bound by the consequences of human physiology, he just gets around it by being uber strong. If he didn't work up the strength and power to live, he would be dead from having the Masamune thrust in his chest.

And why does Sephiroth have to kill Cloud immediately, in an instant, for it to not mean he was not seriously and quickly going in for that kill shot right there? Yes Cloud's in agony but he still is in the "dying" status too.

 

[Max Payne]

Thats basicly what I've been saying this whole time, which again begs the question, why are you still trying to debate it?

Oh god.

You argued that Sephiroth did not go for an instant kill at any one point in the fight, and I argued against that point. I argued that it wouldn't have been easy for him to kill Cloud as you said, because even if he did go for an instant kill, he probably still would have failed.

What is hard to understand here?

 

[Dark and Divine]

The last time Sephiroth impaled Cloud, he got thrown in a Mako Reactor.

Sephiroth isn't dumb to make the same mistake twice.

He assured himself that Cloud would not have the opportunity to pull out a stunt like that again.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Oh god.

You argued that Sephiroth did not go for an instant kill at any one point in the fight, and I argued against that point. I argued that it wouldn't have been easy for him to kill Cloud as you said, because even if he did go for an instant kill, he probably still would have failed/

What is hard to understand here?

I'm not disagreeing with that point, I'm saying that whether it would have succeeded or not, Sephiroth didn't go for the fastest possible kill.

 

[Lord Noctis]

@Suzaku

LOL exactly

But I think Cloud's ability to survive this shit is due to "a wizard did it" in the form of his spirit energy and powerful will. Cloud *does* have normal human anatomy, and if Sephiroth were to carve out his heart. He would die. No matter how badass he is.

Cloud is still bound by the consequences of human physiology, he just gets around it by being uber strong. If he didn't work up the strength and power to live, he would be dead from having the Masamune thrust in his chest.

And why does Sephiroth have to kill Cloud immediately, in an instant, for it to not mean he was not seriously and quickly going in for that kill shot right there? Yes Cloud's in agony but he still is in the "dying" status too.

I'm not arguing that he wasn't dying, just that Sephiroth didn't go for the fastest kill method. He was certainly going for a kill, just not the fastest one he could have. See?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Okay, but I just see that negligible difference in speed and lethality to be essentially..splitting hairs. It was a matter of choice in the heat of the moment, and Sephiroth's intent to go in for the instant coup de grace when it presented itself isn't really changed.

But yeah

 

[Max Payne]

Eh, I've said my piece. I can't seem to elaborate on it any further.

 

[Isabella]

Can we at least all agree on intent? Sephiroth would rather watch Cloud suffer before dying than see him die instantly.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Eh, I've said my piece. I can't seem to elaborate on it any further.

I don't see why you'd want to, since I already agreed with you.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Can we at least all agree on intent? Sephiroth would rather watch Cloud suffer before dying than see him die instantly.

I can agree to that.

 

[Max Payne]

I don't see why you'd want to, since I already agreed with you.

WHICH IS WHY I SAID THAT CHIEF.

YOU WANNA FIGHT ABOOT IT?

Can we at least all agree on intent? Sephiroth would rather watch Cloud suffer before dying than see him die instantly.

Sure.