Addressing the core issues
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I believe that was back when we were still on that shitty host. Yop will have to let us know if it'll be possible to bring it back now.
Hisako
消えないひさ&#
- AKA
- Satsu, BRIAN BLESSED, MIGHTY AND WISE Junpei Iori: Ace Detective, Maccaffrickstonson von Lichtenstafford Frabenschnaben, Polite Krogan, Robert Baratheon
My memory is really shit
So it was just an early thing we had for TLS? cooh
if it wasn't obvious I'm all for a new chatbox that is all shiny and stuff
Tifabelle
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- Tifabelle, Nathan Drake, Locke Cole, Kain Highwind, Yamcha, Arya Stark
yeah :c
Actually I don't know if the chatbox existed when I joined. I can't recall. Did it? It was taken off when TLS came down with a severe case of database error-itis.
Hisako
消えないひさ&#
- AKA
- Satsu, BRIAN BLESSED, MIGHTY AND WISE Junpei Iori: Ace Detective, Maccaffrickstonson von Lichtenstafford Frabenschnaben, Polite Krogan, Robert Baratheon
oh man I remember a lot of us tearing our hair out over the forum database repeatedly carking it XD
Ah memories.
Ah memories.
Fangu
Great Old One
I did something like this once, can't find it now bc of costly 3G. But I remember a n00b or two thanked me by PM for doing that.
Re: meeting in the middle, who showed up for Tifabelle's movie night? Yeah, me and Carlie, and Adri and Celes stopped by, which was cool. The rest was in IRC or hung out in Dacon's stream, and this was probably for the same reasons the people in IRC gave me later - "I've seen LOTR before!" But egads people, this wasn't about the goddamn movie but no one seems to have realized that. I facepalmed hard at the folks in IRC and now I want to facepalm the rest of you
Show up for the community events, folks! Damn!
Bex
fresh to death
- AKA
- Bex
why does all this shit blow up when i'm at work or busy eating or s/thing
All I have to say is that I think mods are seriously over estimating themselves if they think they can sort out problems between members and seek to quell some of the stronger personalities.
You're moderators on an internet forum, not relationship counselors.
Sometimes people just don't get along, and others share the same interests as different people etc etc so natural there will be groups and stuff. Also, 'don't be a dick' is very vague. I know some people get warned and infracted for things I don't find offensive in the slightest, and others don't when they post something that is so out of the world rude.
I've been on these forums for longer than I care to admit (ACF and FCF included) and honestly don't see why people have to start drama. Sure you might want some people to eat a bag of dicks, but for god's sake express it behind their back or not at all. Maybe I'm just too chilled out and just dgaf any moar.
All I have to say is that I think mods are seriously over estimating themselves if they think they can sort out problems between members and seek to quell some of the stronger personalities.
You're moderators on an internet forum, not relationship counselors.
Sometimes people just don't get along, and others share the same interests as different people etc etc so natural there will be groups and stuff. Also, 'don't be a dick' is very vague. I know some people get warned and infracted for things I don't find offensive in the slightest, and others don't when they post something that is so out of the world rude.
I've been on these forums for longer than I care to admit (ACF and FCF included) and honestly don't see why people have to start drama. Sure you might want some people to eat a bag of dicks, but for god's sake express it behind their back or not at all. Maybe I'm just too chilled out and just dgaf any moar.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Here's what I want to happen, within the next week so this shit can resolve itself, because we need to fucking get past this, move on, and just fucking find better things to do with our time and emotional energy here.
First off, we need attacks on people on the board here to stop. Especially in threads of serious, to semi-serious discussions. No slights, insults, or jokes at other member's expense. We need to be careful of that. Staff is gonna be watching for this so we can keep the forum in line with our new more consistent enforcement of rules.
Second, I want people who believe all this shit about "us vs. them," "popular vs. unpopular," "old vs. new", "IRC vs Board", etc to stop. Relax, and just move on with this. We need to seriously take a step back. Relax, assume some good faith and perhaps not assume that this place is set up as a fucking battleground where only one side is right, and the others need to either step in line or get the fuck out.
Because guess what guys? It's not that fucking simple. There IS only one solution to this shit, and it's actually getting the fuck along. That means stepping out of your comfort zone, rubbing elbows with members/staff you may not be too comfortable with, and letting go your previous pre-conceived notions and past grudges and moving on. This has perpetuated itself on both sides way too fucking long. I'm challenging EVERYONE to stop, put this shit to rest, and just fucking try.
Speak to others you may not usually. Engage with the board in sub-forums you may not always frequent or use. Stop and think before you do a google/tumblr image search, open a thread and/or try to attempt to be funny on the internet. Think of the member you're replying to as a human being. Ask yourself before you post, "did they really mean that, or did something get lost in the conversation here?"
Fucking wake up, and stop this. Please. Every member here has the capability of understanding or doing this. And if we all do this. This can be stopped.
Staff can't make this board suddenly love each other, but I'm challenging you all here as admin to stand up and do this. We'll clean up our act and get this ship back on course. What we now need is for you to get out on deck, play shuffle board, enjoy the margaritas again, and just not kill each other! It'll be fun, I promise!
First off, we need attacks on people on the board here to stop. Especially in threads of serious, to semi-serious discussions. No slights, insults, or jokes at other member's expense. We need to be careful of that. Staff is gonna be watching for this so we can keep the forum in line with our new more consistent enforcement of rules.
Second, I want people who believe all this shit about "us vs. them," "popular vs. unpopular," "old vs. new", "IRC vs Board", etc to stop. Relax, and just move on with this. We need to seriously take a step back. Relax, assume some good faith and perhaps not assume that this place is set up as a fucking battleground where only one side is right, and the others need to either step in line or get the fuck out.
Because guess what guys? It's not that fucking simple. There IS only one solution to this shit, and it's actually getting the fuck along. That means stepping out of your comfort zone, rubbing elbows with members/staff you may not be too comfortable with, and letting go your previous pre-conceived notions and past grudges and moving on. This has perpetuated itself on both sides way too fucking long. I'm challenging EVERYONE to stop, put this shit to rest, and just fucking try.
Speak to others you may not usually. Engage with the board in sub-forums you may not always frequent or use. Stop and think before you do a google/tumblr image search, open a thread and/or try to attempt to be funny on the internet. Think of the member you're replying to as a human being. Ask yourself before you post, "did they really mean that, or did something get lost in the conversation here?"
Fucking wake up, and stop this. Please. Every member here has the capability of understanding or doing this. And if we all do this. This can be stopped.
Staff can't make this board suddenly love each other, but I'm challenging you all here as admin to stand up and do this. We'll clean up our act and get this ship back on course. What we now need is for you to get out on deck, play shuffle board, enjoy the margaritas again, and just not kill each other! It'll be fun, I promise!
Tifabelle
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- Tifabelle, Nathan Drake, Locke Cole, Kain Highwind, Yamcha, Arya Stark
I'd just like to echo everything Mako is saying. I think we're all really intelligent people here, and good people. We can find the middle ground and get along. People will be different and be friendlier with some folks over others, but there's no reason or excuse why we can't all post in peace. We all have friends here, but we are also apart of the larger community.
We need to clean up our act, and staff is going to be on top of this. That doesn't mean bans all around, it just means that insults and poo-flinging, etc will not be tolerated. Think before you post, and think when reading posts. Exercise your good judgment!
Let's not explode TLS over this stuff. It's just not worth it. We enjoy this board too much to let it disintigrate into madness. Remember what brought you to the board in the first place. Let's get a clean slate and move forward.
Also, come to my movie nights damn you! D<
We need to clean up our act, and staff is going to be on top of this. That doesn't mean bans all around, it just means that insults and poo-flinging, etc will not be tolerated. Think before you post, and think when reading posts. Exercise your good judgment!
Let's not explode TLS over this stuff. It's just not worth it. We enjoy this board too much to let it disintigrate into madness. Remember what brought you to the board in the first place. Let's get a clean slate and move forward.
Also, come to my movie nights damn you! D<
Tennyo
Higher Further Faster
I did something like this once, can't find it now bc of costly 3G. But I remember a n00b or two thanked me by PM for doing that.
Re: meeting in the middle, who showed up for Tifabelle's movie night? Yeah, me and Carlie, and Adri and Celes stopped by, which was cool. The rest was in IRC or hung out in Dacon's stream, and this was probably for the same reasons the people in IRC gave me later - "I've seen LOTR before!" But egads people, this wasn't about the goddamn movie but no one seems to have realized that. I facepalmed hard at the folks in IRC and now I want to facepalm the rest of you
I did not even know the stream was happening.
I don't care if it's just LOTR. I will watch LOTR any time you put me in front of anything playing it.
But I do also get what you are saying as well. I like doing stuff online like this because I enjoy the social interaction.
But again, I didn't know it was happening. I guess I need to pay more close attention.
Cthulhu
Administrator
- AKA
- Yop
On the IRC versus the spam section comment, iirc, we did try sort of a spam section, but it didn't catch and we quit the experiment after a few weeks. Same with social groups, I believe. The IRC, on the other hand, is - at least in my opinion, but as stated before I'm biased - a success, with a lot of activity coming from there.
Let me also remind you that our front page's activity has been booming thanks to the IRC. People like Lex, Fangu, Shademp, Ryu and Flintlock - three of which mainly got an interest in TLS via the IRC, iirc - are currently the primary front page posters and the incentive for a lot of community activities. And let me remind you, that is what this site is for - not petty discussions about cliques and whatnot. IRC is what makes these people come together and discuss things, and based on that fact, and the fact that the front page is pretty damn important, I'm not going to take any action when it comes to the IRC.
On thanks, if it really means that much to people, then, like postcounts, I have no problems with just disabling it. As discussed probably countless times before, thanks should mean nothing, but obviously, they do, and far too much than they should. Alternatively, I can rename "thanks" to "Circlejerk", if that makes it more appropriate to what some people think of it,.
On popularity, stop trying to measure your own popularity or that of others, this isn't high school, everyone's just a TLS member that should be treated like a normal person and an opinion that should be respected.
On cliques and alienation: You can't force people to like each other, simple facts. You can't stop cliques and groups of friends from forming either; it's impossible to force everyone to like each other, and impossible to stop people from talking to each other outside of the forums. I don't see that as a goal in itself either. At the very least, I expect everyone to be courteous and respectful of each other, and perhaps come to realize the fact that we're growing beyond a hardened group of internets veterans that make fun of everything; think of the new people, etc. Someone mentioned and compared TLS to LOCP and FG, but TLS is neither of those; our front page makes us a publically facing website that draws in fans from all over, and a couple of people being dicks because "That's just how it is here" is not appropriate for that kind of community.
On mods being out of line, please do report it; that way the rest of the staff can frown upon his person and, if anything, it sends off a message that staff should watch their own posts. On the other hand, I've always said - and will continue to do so - that staff are just regular members with powers; they shouldn't get special treatment, but shouldn't be scrutinized more than regular members either. If that doesn't work, there's always a PM directed at me, Mako, or X. If it's Mako or X that's being a problem, there's me. If it's me that's a problem, you'll probably need to bring a couple of rakes and pitchforks and oust me by buying me out of the site, I guess,.
On not being a dick: If you can't not be a dick, then you are a dick and should gtfo.
On the chatbox, it was more of a shittily-written guestbook kinda thing than a chatbox, but okay. I like the IRC though, more than a box hidden somewhere at the bottom of the page, and now we've got a fancy /chat page with a browser client, it's quite nicely integrated with the rest of the site, I think. If people want a chat, I'd propose integrating /chat onto the forums homepage in one form or another - although tbh, it would be a bit of a performance hog for front page opening, and I'd much prefer it to remain a separate page.
On all this, I don't understand how an insult and some heated responses to that turned into a two-day tl;dr poastfest where two dozen people or however much there are feel like they should have a say in this. Or well, not anymore; I'm sure some of you remember I was quite engaged in the dramas of TLS back in the day (in fact, I'm pretty sure it was my primary reason for poasting for a long time). But I've grown old and my time has become sparse, so I can't relate with all of this drama anymore,. Not trying to dismiss everyone's grievances, but... does it really have to be this long?
Finally, if there's any more serious issues that need to be addressed, please state them in as short a fashion as possible and the expected course of action. It's kinda hard to try and filter out what the real problems are and even harder to figure out what the desired course of action would be. So yeah: focus on solutions, not problems, the latter is easy to divulge in but hardly constructive, imho.
Also, I don't like how you guys always do this kinda stuff outside of the ~4 hour window I have to deal with this kinda stuff a day, or weekends,.
Let me also remind you that our front page's activity has been booming thanks to the IRC. People like Lex, Fangu, Shademp, Ryu and Flintlock - three of which mainly got an interest in TLS via the IRC, iirc - are currently the primary front page posters and the incentive for a lot of community activities. And let me remind you, that is what this site is for - not petty discussions about cliques and whatnot. IRC is what makes these people come together and discuss things, and based on that fact, and the fact that the front page is pretty damn important, I'm not going to take any action when it comes to the IRC.
On thanks, if it really means that much to people, then, like postcounts, I have no problems with just disabling it. As discussed probably countless times before, thanks should mean nothing, but obviously, they do, and far too much than they should. Alternatively, I can rename "thanks" to "Circlejerk", if that makes it more appropriate to what some people think of it,
.On popularity, stop trying to measure your own popularity or that of others, this isn't high school, everyone's just a TLS member that should be treated like a normal person and an opinion that should be respected.
On cliques and alienation: You can't force people to like each other, simple facts. You can't stop cliques and groups of friends from forming either; it's impossible to force everyone to like each other, and impossible to stop people from talking to each other outside of the forums. I don't see that as a goal in itself either. At the very least, I expect everyone to be courteous and respectful of each other, and perhaps come to realize the fact that we're growing beyond a hardened group of internets veterans that make fun of everything; think of the new people, etc. Someone mentioned and compared TLS to LOCP and FG, but TLS is neither of those; our front page makes us a publically facing website that draws in fans from all over, and a couple of people being dicks because "That's just how it is here" is not appropriate for that kind of community.
On mods being out of line, please do report it; that way the rest of the staff can frown upon his person and, if anything, it sends off a message that staff should watch their own posts. On the other hand, I've always said - and will continue to do so - that staff are just regular members with powers; they shouldn't get special treatment, but shouldn't be scrutinized more than regular members either. If that doesn't work, there's always a PM directed at me, Mako, or X. If it's Mako or X that's being a problem, there's me. If it's me that's a problem, you'll probably need to bring a couple of rakes and pitchforks and oust me by buying me out of the site, I guess,
.On not being a dick: If you can't not be a dick, then you are a dick and should gtfo.
On the chatbox, it was more of a shittily-written guestbook kinda thing than a chatbox, but okay
. I like the IRC though, more than a box hidden somewhere at the bottom of the page, and now we've got a fancy /chat page with a browser client, it's quite nicely integrated with the rest of the site, I think. If people want a chat, I'd propose integrating /chat onto the forums homepage in one form or another - although tbh, it would be a bit of a performance hog for front page opening, and I'd much prefer it to remain a separate page.On all this, I don't understand how an insult and some heated responses to that turned into a two-day tl;dr poastfest where two dozen people or however much there are feel like they should have a say in this. Or well, not anymore; I'm sure some of you remember I was quite engaged in the dramas of TLS back in the day (in fact, I'm pretty sure it was my primary reason for poasting for a long time). But I've grown old and my time has become sparse, so I can't relate with all of this drama anymore,
. Not trying to dismiss everyone's grievances, but... does it really have to be this long? Finally, if there's any more serious issues that need to be addressed, please state them in as short a fashion as possible and the expected course of action. It's kinda hard to try and filter out what the real problems are and even harder to figure out what the desired course of action would be. So yeah: focus on solutions, not problems, the latter is easy to divulge in but hardly constructive, imho.
Also, I don't like how you guys always do this kinda stuff outside of the ~4 hour window I have to deal with this kinda stuff a day, or weekends,
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Tetsujin
he/they
- AKA
- Tets
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
- AKA
- Tim, Ryu
Ⓐaron
Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
- AKA
- The Man, V
A few things:
Sorry this is coming so late. I kind of forgot to post it after I wrote it up a few hours ago.
- What Mako said x3. I agree with trying to put this past us, I agree with trying to move past "us v. them" or "old v. new" or whatever, and I agree with everyone being more civil and doubling down on insulting content. Constructive disagreement is fine; insulting remarks are not. Basically if you are using derogatory language to refer to a member, or saying something else that would be likely to make an average member feel offended, you should consider revising your comments. This may mean everyone should re-read their comments, at least when it comes to potentially sensitive matters, with a critical eye before posting them. It can't hurt anything. (I've been doing this myself, and even asking for second opinions in some cases, so my responses may take longer than usual. Just a forewarning).
- I've been making a concerted effort to be as diplomatic as possible, especially outside the staff forum, but I'm not exactly a Zen master right now, as I think my embarrassing and blatantly public disagreement with Road the other day probably made clear to all. If something I say offends you, the best course of action is to confront me about it (preferably one-on-one, it's less intimidating), because there is only one person on the entire board that I would have wanted at any time in recent memory to say anything offensive to, and not only did I outright refrain from conversing with that member at all for precisely that reason, but they have also left. As long as you're not rude or insulting about things, I'm perfectly willing to be reasonable (to the best of my abilities) and talk over what I've done that has irked you. But to be able to do this, I first have to know about it. If I do not know I have upset you, I cannot resolve the matter. I'm not a mind-reader (much as I sometimes wish I were).
- With respect to this point, apparently something I said in the staff forum severely upset hito. I still don't understand exactly what happened because I only heard about it third-hand. Suffice it to say that I intended to express bewilderment and firm disagreement. I did not intend to be rude or insulting, and I apologise profusely for the way I phrased my posts because they obviously did not come across the way I intended them to. Hito, you should get in touch with me. I like and respect you even when I disagree with you and certainly did not want to be the cause of such emotional distress or you leaving staff or the boards.
- A lot of people are leaving or thinking about leaving or planning to leave in the near future. First of all, given the state of the board, I have to say that I don't blame anyone for entertaining these thoughts. The board is in terrible shape and it will take a lot of work to repair it, and I can see why some people may not have the emotional energy or patience to deal with it. Several people have recommended I take a break, and after this seems to be more resolved I am very strongly considering this option. However, I also want to say that pretty much everyone I can think of has large numbers of people who would/will miss them in their absence, and I hope things have not devolved to such a state where large numbers of people feel they have to leave permanently. I want this to be a board where everyone who is willing to accommodate others' thoughts and feelings with due consideration can find an enjoyable atmosphere to post. Staff and members alike, including myself, have not always done a fantastic job of ensuring this in the past, and I once again apologise on my behalf for my previous and more recent failings. But unless we are willing to put these things behind us and work together towards the future, things aren't going to get any better.
- Towards that end, we've got a lot of ideas about how to improve the atmosphere here (several have been mentioned above), but I'm sure we're not the only ones with good ideas, so I think we'd all love to hear yours.
Sorry this is coming so late. I kind of forgot to post it after I wrote it up a few hours ago.
Sprites
Waiting for something
- AKA
- Gems
OK, so I’ve been pretty quiet since everything kicked off a couple of days ago but I think I’m ready to say everything, so here goes and apologies for coming in late I’ve been dealing with a lot of work stuff.
My reason for being so quiet in the past 24 hours or so despite my outburst in the IRC thread was because early afternoon yesterday I sent Ryu a PM telling him I was taking a break from the forums and not coming back for a while because the recent situation had left me feeling pretty upset, this was due to a couple of conversations I’d had and because of how bad things seemed.
Anyways I’ve had time to think in the last 24 hours and realised how much I don’t want to leave, I love this place too much, I’ve made some good friends on here and I’m involved in some of Shademp’s projects, I don’t wanna let him down but I also realised how much I need to say.
First of all guys I want to apologise and I mean that because if I’d calmed down after reading CK’s post initially I would’ve realised how long it was between the time I read it and he posted it and by then it would have been dealt with and it was but my emotions got the better of me all I saw was the post and nothing else, I got angry and I responded without thinking. I don’t know if anyone else would have but I feel that my post set off the chain reaction that caused a lot of ill feelings to kick off in that thread and due to the drama several people left and requested ban’s including Octo who I’m good friends with and Dacon who couldn’t sit back and watch anymore of the crap and I feel pretty damn guilty that it got to that, so again guys I’m really sorry that because of something I said it helped instigate and blow up the drama, it honestly wasn’t my intent but it made me realise my part in this.
Next the IRC stuff. I’m going to be very honest here because I’ve been a member on this board for a long time and it’s about time I was. A couple of years ago on here I made a post saying I was leaving here I said it was due to IRL stuff but now I can honestly say it wasn’t, it was because I felt I didn’t fit in here, I couldn’t get into discussions and anytime I did post I felt no one really acknowledged that, I don’t post in the chit chat thread anymore precisely for that reason even now. I know a lot of people on this board, from being here a long time and from ACF but a lot of you don’t know me that well, maybe that’s my fault for not getting as involved as I should have but like I said, I felt like I couldn’t fit in.
For a good while after I returned I still felt that way, then a few months ago I started logging onto IRC and going through FFVII playthrough nights, drinking nights and talking to people there, it’s been good for me, because of that I’ve become close with people I was never close to beforehand, I’ve felt much more comfortable posting in threads now and participating in discussions because I’ve got to know these people, so for me IRC was definitely a good thing for me.
Again I’m not trying to start anything, I’m addressing a point that for a long time I’ve felt like there wasn’t any point in me being here and it’s been the past few months that I’ve been more active than ever and it’s thanks to the IRC that, that happened, I see it as a positive thing and I’d be pretty disappointed if it got closed down. Again I want to address the fact that nobody should feel forced to come in there but it’d be lovely to see some new faces, it’s a really nice place to chat.
Now I mentioned before that I was leaving, after a few messages from people who I mentioned it to I’ve made the decision not to but I have decided to decrease my activity, partly because of what happened I realised there’s some situations I shouldn’t step into, I want to take a step back and re-address myself and also partly because of things actually happening this time IRL (all positive) and there’s a lot for me to think about for my future and my career however, there’s things on the site I’m getting involved in and it would be disrespectful if I threw that away especially when Shademp has been so good in getting me involved, I’d be letting him down and I’d be a hypocrite considering I’ve recently mentioned that I hate when the drama over rides the site contribution based stuff on the forums.
Look guys once again I’m sorry for my part in the recent drama, I’m going to do my best to be a better member here, get involved more when I can and be constructive rather than destructive, that’s all I have to say.
My reason for being so quiet in the past 24 hours or so despite my outburst in the IRC thread was because early afternoon yesterday I sent Ryu a PM telling him I was taking a break from the forums and not coming back for a while because the recent situation had left me feeling pretty upset, this was due to a couple of conversations I’d had and because of how bad things seemed.
Anyways I’ve had time to think in the last 24 hours and realised how much I don’t want to leave, I love this place too much, I’ve made some good friends on here and I’m involved in some of Shademp’s projects, I don’t wanna let him down but I also realised how much I need to say.
First of all guys I want to apologise and I mean that because if I’d calmed down after reading CK’s post initially I would’ve realised how long it was between the time I read it and he posted it and by then it would have been dealt with and it was but my emotions got the better of me all I saw was the post and nothing else, I got angry and I responded without thinking. I don’t know if anyone else would have but I feel that my post set off the chain reaction that caused a lot of ill feelings to kick off in that thread and due to the drama several people left and requested ban’s including Octo who I’m good friends with and Dacon who couldn’t sit back and watch anymore of the crap and I feel pretty damn guilty that it got to that, so again guys I’m really sorry that because of something I said it helped instigate and blow up the drama, it honestly wasn’t my intent but it made me realise my part in this.
Next the IRC stuff. I’m going to be very honest here because I’ve been a member on this board for a long time and it’s about time I was. A couple of years ago on here I made a post saying I was leaving here I said it was due to IRL stuff but now I can honestly say it wasn’t, it was because I felt I didn’t fit in here, I couldn’t get into discussions and anytime I did post I felt no one really acknowledged that, I don’t post in the chit chat thread anymore precisely for that reason even now. I know a lot of people on this board, from being here a long time and from ACF but a lot of you don’t know me that well, maybe that’s my fault for not getting as involved as I should have but like I said, I felt like I couldn’t fit in.
For a good while after I returned I still felt that way, then a few months ago I started logging onto IRC and going through FFVII playthrough nights, drinking nights and talking to people there, it’s been good for me, because of that I’ve become close with people I was never close to beforehand, I’ve felt much more comfortable posting in threads now and participating in discussions because I’ve got to know these people, so for me IRC was definitely a good thing for me.
Again I’m not trying to start anything, I’m addressing a point that for a long time I’ve felt like there wasn’t any point in me being here and it’s been the past few months that I’ve been more active than ever and it’s thanks to the IRC that, that happened, I see it as a positive thing and I’d be pretty disappointed if it got closed down. Again I want to address the fact that nobody should feel forced to come in there but it’d be lovely to see some new faces, it’s a really nice place to chat.
Now I mentioned before that I was leaving, after a few messages from people who I mentioned it to I’ve made the decision not to but I have decided to decrease my activity, partly because of what happened I realised there’s some situations I shouldn’t step into, I want to take a step back and re-address myself and also partly because of things actually happening this time IRL (all positive) and there’s a lot for me to think about for my future and my career however, there’s things on the site I’m getting involved in and it would be disrespectful if I threw that away especially when Shademp has been so good in getting me involved, I’d be letting him down and I’d be a hypocrite considering I’ve recently mentioned that I hate when the drama over rides the site contribution based stuff on the forums.
Look guys once again I’m sorry for my part in the recent drama, I’m going to do my best to be a better member here, get involved more when I can and be constructive rather than destructive, that’s all I have to say.
looneymoon
they/them
- AKA
- Rishi
So we're basically summing this up as:
some people can't handle the normal hazing we have on this board - the same kind we've had from its inception - so we're just gonna change the entire atmosphere of it.
That's fair enough but the direction this site is going doesn't really suit to my personality. If it continues down the path I see it going in then I will probably go down the path of my panda-brother
edit; hazing may not the best term to use, but you know what i mean.
some people can't handle the normal hazing we have on this board - the same kind we've had from its inception - so we're just gonna change the entire atmosphere of it.
That's fair enough but the direction this site is going doesn't really suit to my personality. If it continues down the path I see it going in then I will probably go down the path of my panda-brother
edit; hazing may not the best term to use, but you know what i mean.
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Alex
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- Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
So we're basically summing this up as:
some people can't handle the normal hazing we have on this board - the same kind we've had from its inception - so we're just gonna change the entire atmosphere of it.
That's fair enough but the direction this site is going doesn't really suit to my personality. If it continues down the path I see it going in then I will probably go down the path of my panda-brother
edit; hazing may not the best term to use, but you know what i mean.
Honestly this is how I feel as well.
I'm sick and tired of nobody learning from their mistakes. Every attempt to improve relations between people here has been treated with a simply staggering apathy. Nobody on any side of this debate has been willing to stop being an unreasonable asshole for months and months now. Even at my most charitable I can't remember a time in the recent past when I thought staff handled a serious issue even remotely competently.
And now there's all this talk about enforcing a new kind of atmosphere here? I thought the point was to heal the divide and make people feel less jaded. I don't expect the forum to change to suit my tastes, but we're definitely moving in a direction that I'm personally uneasy with. So, yeah, maybe it is best if we part ways here.
Many of my good friends have already been driven off because of their frustration at how things are here. Many more are considering leaving. I'm just wondering if it's worth hanging around. What is this place if not somewhere you can hang with your mates, right?
If everyone, staff (especially some members of staff) and members (especially CK and especially Sami, apparently) had remembered 'not to be a dick', maybe all this shit wouldn't have blown up. Right now this forum isn't a place I want to be a part of.
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Fangu
Great Old One
Well I certainly don't want this board to be all 'children's tv' either. It has to still be a place for lulz. But I do think that this place has to work as a proper forum as well as a community. Standard forum rules must apply, as in - if someone types up a long post and you find it ridiculous, say it in a nice way? Just... yeah, don't be a dick, and all will be fine. (If you can't help yourself, 'having such a personality' is not an excuse IMO.) And we need to communicate moar cross-cliques. Cuz I've overheard stuff from all sides (to not use the term 'both sides') that has been plain rude because of butthurt and assuming things about other people. We all do this. I think we do it less if - or at least I know I have a less chance of doing it if I've chatted with the person and felt that they want to be civilized with me, then I'm more likely to let any rude joke on the forum slip. Hell I've even defended 'people on the other side' to people I now consider good friends. Thank heavens it seems like this hasn't cost me any friendships, but I know it has the potential to do so. But how I see it is that you don't always have to agree with your friends. (I'm not saying this is new information to anyone or accusing anyone of never disagreeing with their friends, I'm saying it generally for everyone.) We're still individuals in the end, and seeing the person and not a 'group' is important. I think we all fail at this from time to time.
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I don't really see how being more assertive with people that are being dicks is really going to change the entire atmosphere here. There are some people that have said some malicious shit time and time again, and we've given them infraction after infraction after infraction and they still haven't changed their attitudes. All we're saying is that we're not going to keep giving them chances. Shape up or ship out. All this talk about walking on egg shells is kinda silly to me. Is it really not mind numbingly obvious that CK's comment was completely inappropriate? And, I wouldn't say Celes' comment was malicious, probably ill-advised, I don't think she meant any harm by it. However, after realizing what she said offended some people, instead of apologizing, she gave everyone the cold shoulder. Yes, she was being directly insulted, but nothing warrants that sort of behavior (from either side).
Do you need to be an asshole to people to enjoy your time here? Seriously?
EDIT: Just to clarify, I believe Celes did indeed apologize to Kassi. I'm strictly talking about what occurred in that thread.
Do you need to be an asshole to people to enjoy your time here? Seriously?
EDIT: Just to clarify, I believe Celes did indeed apologize to Kassi. I'm strictly talking about what occurred in that thread.
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