Am I the only one who found Genesis and Angeal completely...

[Nocturne]

He got a bit more focus, but most of it wasn't all that substantial imo. But that may be due to the fact that I never really gave a crap to him.

Thats actually how I felt I guess. Truthfully, Crisis Core gave me mixed views on Zack. He was an ok person, but he was a little bit too flirtatious, and thats not how I roll, so it didnt really impress me. But yeah, he did get more focus. I guess my comment in regards to that was a bit stupid.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

I always thought that CC should have given us a bit more of Zack's family life and things we actually didn't know of him. I know the story's main point is about the "core of the crisis" which was the Nibelhiem incident, but I would have liked to know about Zack's mother and father, any siblings he had, and what he was like and what he did before he entered Shinra's ranks.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Zack is an only child. I know that's stated somewhere in CC.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

Oh. LOL. Well that answers that.

 

[spirit_chaser]

Zack was still young when he entered SOLDIER, so I doubt he did anything special before that. He was probably in school, enjoyed his teenagehood, dreamed about becoming a hero one day, or something like that.

 

[RyougaSaotome]

CC did a lot for Zack's character.

How? Simply because he had pretty much nothing up until the game was released.

We get a full personality, a complete arc of development, and a clear beginning and end.

As for Angeal and Genesis, I rather liked the two of them. Genesis was more poetic than I would have preferred, but his goal through the game was always clear, and I could at least respect his motivations as a villain. I also like that he did have a turn around at the end, because a character like that sort of deserves that finish.

Angeal died a little sooner than I wanted him to, but he still helped to make Zack a more complete character.

 

[BWAngel]

I found Angeal to be pretty relatable actually. He's like the Cliff Huxtable of SOLDIER.

Except he doesn't help deliver babies; doesn't have 5 kids, although Zack has the energy of ten, 3-year-old kids, and it is pretty hard to kick his ass in a fight.:bmonster:

 

[VivaLaValenwind]

Except he doesn't help deliver babies; doesn't have 5 kids, although Zack has the energy of ten, 3-year-old kids, and it is pretty had to kick his ass in a fight.:bmonster:

Oh wow now i'm gonna see Angeal as a lovably huggable older black man swinging a giant sword around while teaching his children (Zack) about life I do love Mr.Cosby btw

 

[I Am Not Me]

I like Angeal, he's like a father-figure who sometimes make no sense.

And Genesis? I just want him to shut up. He may look good, but he just won't shut up with his LOVELESS. WTF

 

[A]

And Genesis? I just want him to shut up. He may look good, but he just won't shut up with his LOVELESS. WTF

Lol, my thoughts exactly.

 

[BWAngel]

Oh wow now i'm gonna see Angeal as a lovably huggable older black man swinging a giant sword around while teaching his children (Zack) about life I do love Mr.Cosby btw

Me too! And he just keeps getting better and better as he ages.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

No....Zack got more focus. For one, Crisis Core's storyline is a helluva lot longer than DC's, and Vincent didn't have the whole DMW thing that offered further backstory and events regarding Zack's relationship with his friends.

Oh. God. I salivate at the thought of a Vincent DMW. I would play that so many fucking times. I'm serious. Why God whyyyyy?

Actually, I kind of wish every character had a DMW. >.> We would have so much more insight on them that way.

 

[LoLskilled87]

...unrelatable and incomprehensible? Angeal was spouting vague things about pride and honor, and Genesis's entire script was almost nothing but LOVELESS quotes. Compared to Zack, who fought for real, relatable concepts such as his best friend, his girlfriend, and an everyday guy in extraordinary situations, the characters of A&G seems poorly written and just strange.

Agreed. The game was fun but the characters were wtf...

 

[megas_sephiroth]

I liked Angeal, but it's incredibly annoying listening to Genesis quote Loveless over and over and over...

 

[loverofCloud]

yeah really i don't understand angeal saying he was a monster but later coming back to help shin-ra when they was attacked.. What he had in mind?? And neither i understood what really genesis wanted as gift of the goddes.. Maybe it's just me O.o

 

[ForceStealer]

Well Genesis was never really sure either, it changed a lot. Dumbapples, Jenova cells, S cells, the materia at the end...

 

[megas_sephiroth]

Well Genesis was never really sure either, it changed a lot. Dumbapples, Jenova cells, S cells, the materia at the end...

Spoiler

I don't think it really mattered to him, at least at first. It may have been just a quest of someone who loved that particular story. After he started degrading, it was a different story and he needed the gift of the goddess to save himself...

 

[Makoeyes987]

No. The Gift of the Goddess mattered a lot to him. The entire point of Genesis's rebellion against Shinra was to recreate LOVELESS. He made each of the character play the part of the characters in the story so that they would recreate the conditions and thus answer the final chapter and reveal what the Gift of the Goddess is. Because the Gift of the Goddess is said to contain immortality and perpetual youth. He thought it would be the cure and answer to his degeneration.

At first he believed that the "gift" was Jenova and her cells. But upon realizing that they weren't and Hollander was dead, he put his faith in the planet and the Goddess Materia in Banora.

 

[Celes Chere]

Angeal was just fine the way he was, imo. I really liked his character, at first I thought.. "Okay, this sword is getting around, that's kinda gay" but it was much more meaningful in the end. At least to me, it was. It's great that Zack too has a mentor.

Genesis on the other hand... What a complete nuisance. I don't really hate his character, because you can't really HATE a character that has NO personality. You can only wonder what he's really like when he's not reciting quotes like a broken fuxing record.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I liked Angeal's character and personality, I just wasn't feeling that vague 'pride and honor' shit he kept saying over and over that didn't really make much sense. Why does SOLDIER have 'pride and honor' by it's very nature? Super soldiers don't have pride and honor intrinsically or anything like that. He never really elaborated on it.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Warrior's honor? Pride? They're intrinsic ideas held by warriors of the east. You could compare SOLDIER to samurai belonging to Shinra in a sense. Angeal believed that as warriors who defend the people and their "lord" they had to conduct themselves with a degree of honor, respect and pride in their position. It's not that weird. The military of the US, Canada and other countries carry themselves with a sense of pride and respect for their position. They aren't just a bunch of mercs who don't give a shit about anything as long as they get the money.

 

[megas_sephiroth]

No. The Gift of the Goddess mattered a lot to him. The entire point of Genesis's rebellion against Shinra was to recreate LOVELESS. He made each of the character play the part of the characters in the story so that they would recreate the conditions and thus answer the final chapter and reveal what the Gift of the Goddess is. Because the Gift of the Goddess is said to contain immortality and perpetual youth. He thought it would be the cure and answer to his degeneration.

At first he believed that the "gift" was Jenova and her cells. But upon realizing that they weren't and Hollander was dead, he put his faith in the planet and the Goddess Materia in Banora.

What I meant is that it seemed that, at first, it may not have mattered to him "what" the gift of the goddess was. It's pretty clear that he was passionate about finding it, probably even before he started degrading.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Warrior's honor? Pride? They're intrinsic ideas held by warriors of the east. You could compare SOLDIER to samurai belonging to Shinra in a sense. Angeal believed that as warriors who defend the people and their "lord" they had to conduct themselves with a degree of honor, respect and pride in their position. It's not that weird. The military of the US, Canada and other countries carry themselves with a sense of pride and respect for their position. They aren't just a bunch of mercs who don't give a shit about anything as long as they get the money.

This is true, but I wish it could have been presented a little better than Angeal saying 'pride and honor' over and over again. He should have gave a little exposition on his feelings instead of just saying the same sentence over and over. It seemed less of a matter of pride expressed by members of the military (and I'm familiar with this pride personally) and more of a catchphrase, which cheapened it.

That, and it's (subjectively, admittedly) difficult to see the honor in what SOLDIER is. Sure, an individual SOLDIER should have pride and honor, and respect for a warrior, but the organization itself was created and existed for the whims of a particularly fucked up entity. Even the war with Wutai wasn't some sort of a holy or righteous war, it was basically a land grab. Yes, most wars are this way, but with you attach Shinra to the name, it gets a bit blackened.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I am probably speaking out of turn since I haven't finished the game, but so far I find both Angeal and Genesis do the jobs they are meant to do in the story just fine, given the constraints of the medium. I would also respectfully venture to suggest that fighting for Shinra is not necessarily a meaningless and shameful existence. Sure, they are kind of evil, but AVALANCHE is also kind of evil, in the sense that for both groups the end justifies the means and the nameless mass of humanity is disposable in the quest for the greater good. Shinra started as a weapons company and now it makes electricity, which suggests that for many people on the planet an era of warfare has been succeeded by an era of comparative peace, admittedly peace enforced on the point of Shinra's sword. But nobody other than AVALANCHE and some people in Wutai really care. It's not that things are great now that Shinra's in charge; far from it. But maybe things were worse before. The only real problem is that using mako drains the Lifestream, and Shinra's working on that. If Shinra could really find the promised land - yes, Rufus and his dad would be even richer (does money actually matter to them any more?) but everybody would be better off.

Yours faithfully
The Shinra PR Department

 

[Cat Rage Room]

You make a good point.

But nobody other than AVALANCHE and some people in Wutai really care.

However, I get the impression that many people see Shinra's rule as a necessary evil, or something they tolerate. Of course many people see Shinra as "OUR LAWD AND SAVIOAH", but its not like dislike of Shinra is an unpopular opinion.