ChaosBringers, Reborn!

[quote author=VivaLaValenwind link=topic=221.msg20042#msg20042 date=1235103142]
;D I will eat Yuffie one day! ONE DAY.....along with Denzel Mwahahha!! And the pic of Grimiore and Mini Vinny is uber cute :D :D :D Btw anyone else uneasy about the possible fact that vincent is gonna be added in more in ACC :( :( :(
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The move Vincent, the better. xD
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
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Katie; Seta.
I am all for more Vincent Valentine in ACC.

I am a Yuffie fan. Let my Yuffie go! People for the Protection and Fandom of Yuffie. :P I couldn't think up a real analogram (what's the word?)...


[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg20087#msg20087 date=1235112584]
Arianna said:
Any parent that teaches a kid to shoot is - wrong, in my honest opinion.

Yeah, well, maybe when your kid walks outside and runs into mutated sewer rats and a master tonberry you might be a bit more concerned about self defense, too. ;D 'Tis not the same world.

Besides, he made a career out of it. He could be a jobless deadbeat. It was guns or heroin, I tell you. GUNS OR HEROIN.[/quote]

Yeah, you got a point there. :P Well, at least about the 'mutated sewer rats'; as for tonberries - run, run, run away, quickly!!!

To further my reasons for my opinion, and to kind of answer Manti at the same time: It just seems that a lot of the people who I have heard about and/or observed teaching their children how to shoot (granted, via media) are not very bright. And, you know the saying 'the apple never falls far from the tree'? Well, that explains what I see in the kids.

Could I be very wrong and perhaps need more insight into these people? Of course. I will not say that I know that their lives do not require this kind of education at such a young age. It's only my opinion as it is, and I cannot state facts. Still, I think these kinds of people are very dangerous, to themselves and others. *shrug* :-\

Anyhow, I do ask pardon for anyone who can see and/or does know another side to this argument. I do not see or know it as of now, so this is all I can say on the matter.

Now, as for heroine - how do we know they have heroine, Ravynne? ;D There's been no mention of heroine in the FFVII universe, let alone Gaia/the planet. :P
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
Oh they have plenty of heroines, as in female heroes. As for heroin, why would they mention it?

And on the topic of why would we mention things, debating real world gun ethics really has no bearing on FF7 whatsoever. We could also say shame on them for not having public schools, health care, adequate low income housing options, or debate the ecological consequences of not mowing the grass around Kalm, but the world of FF7 is not a world in which they have the luxury of expecting these things. Bigger priorities, dude. Like the madman trying to bring a giant rock down on the planet. Or the alien looking to poison all of mankind.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg20304#msg20304 date=1235178894]
Oh they have plenty of heroines, as in female heroes. As for heroin, why would they mention it?

And on the topic of why would we mention things, debating real world gun ethics really has no bearing on FF7 whatsoever. We could also say shame on them for not having public schools, health care, adequate low income housing options, or debate the ecological consequences of not mowing the grass around Kalm, but the world of FF7 is not a world in which they have the luxury of expecting these things. Bigger priorities, dude. Like the madman trying to bring a giant rock down on the planet. Or the alien looking to poison all of mankind.
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Re: Heroine vs. Heroin: You got me! :P lol

Re: Priorities: Hey, you're preachin' to the choir here!

But yeah, anyhow... Moving on from stating my opinion on a subject brought up by fanart.
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
AKA
Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
[quote author=VivaLaValenwind link=topic=221.msg20042#msg20042 date=1235103142]
;D I will eat Yuffie one day! ONE DAY.....[/quote]I distinctly remember mentioning something about kneecaps, and about what would happen if you... ooh, wait. You say you want to eat Yuffie? Have I been misunderstanding you, perhaps? ;) :P

[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg20087#msg20087 date=1235112584]
Manti said:
But you have linked us to that pic before.
Oh, fail. Well, I was going to find more but realized I had to start getting ready for work 15 minutes prior.[/quote]Sorry, I'm a continuity Nazi, ain't I? Failure on my side.

[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg20304#msg20304 date=1235178894]And on the topic of why would we mention things, debating real world gun ethics really has no bearing on FF7 whatsoever. We could also say shame on them for not having public schools, health care, adequate low income housing options, or debate the ecological consequences of not mowing the grass around Kalm, but the world of FF7 is not a world in which they have the luxury of expecting these things. Bigger priorities, dude. Like the madman trying to bring a giant rock down on the planet. Or the alien looking to poison all of mankind.
[/quote]And, why is there only one church on the entire Planet? And, better yet, why is it a Christian church when Christ wasn't born on that world? Madness.

And Ari, my comment was by way of a joke - plus, also, satirical look at how we Brits view American *ahem* "parenting". And if I knew there were more than just the two of us (three, when leivathan is able to post again), I'd open a Yuffie fanclub.

OK, Vincent in ACC - if they just put back that scene with him jumping out of the tree branch in front of the moon from the earliest previews (yes Ravy, I know the one), I'll be happy. That scene was awesome. OK, it appeared to show Vincent with blue eyes, so that would have to be changed, I guess...

I dunno - maybe have a scene of him looting in the midst of the battle with that Bahamut form, seeing the phone he wants. :P
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
Two churches as of DoC. Vincent stands on the roof of one in Kalm. Maybe they're churches to Minerva, I dunno.

I would actually be very happy if they showed him rescuing Tseng and Elena, since the new trailer does show footage of them being attacked. I always wanted to know how he interacted with the new Turks, and if they ever knew he used to be one.
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
AKA
Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg21331#msg21331 date=1235274349]Two churches as of DoC. Vincent stands on the roof of one in Kalm. Maybe they're churches to Minerva, I dunno.[/quote]Ooh, yeah. I'd forgotten about that one. Too busy trying to dodge the bullets and find the memory capsules. And yeah, they probably are.

[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg21331#msg21331 date=1235274349]I would actually be very happy if they showed him rescuing Tseng and Elena, since the new trailer does show footage of them being attacked. I always wanted to know how he interacted with the new Turks, and if they ever knew he used to be one.
[/quote]That would be cool. :) Even if all we saw was a red blur between Kadaj's gang and the Turks...

I dunno. I always thought that Tseng's loyalty to the company would make him pissed at Hojo over "faking the death" of a Turk to use his body for his own purposes. I always stuck to the idea that Tseng at least would recognise the name "Vincent Valentine", but he might not link the two together. Vincent probably would be the same with them as he would be with anyone.

"..." And then you get Rude, too... "..." "..." "..."
 
[quote author=Kariya link=topic=221.msg20880#msg20880 date=1235215895]
[quote author=VivaLaValenwind link=topic=221.msg20042#msg20042 date=1235103142]
;D I will eat Yuffie one day! ONE DAY.....[/quote]I distinctly remember mentioning something about kneecaps, and about what would happen if you... ooh, wait. You say you want to eat Yuffie? Have I been misunderstanding you, perhaps? ;) :P
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Manti, I think you have. xD

Oh, I came across ALOT of Vincent pics on dA. It makes me happy.
 

VivaLaValenwind

Moogle Hunter
AKA
VictoriaValentine, SirYab
Hehe i'd much rather see Vin in bed with Cid but ANYWAYS! Yesh i can't help but think that he won't be in ACC any much more...probably for 4 seconds commenting on Cloud doing something emo i'm sure (T_T) Also...i really don't like how they did the top of his cape in AC..its sooo..ermm not shapely?
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
Victoria said:
Also...i really don't like how they did the top of his cape in AC..its sooo..ermm not shapely?
Was it different than it was in DoC? I thought it looked fine in DoC.


Manti said:
I dunno. I always thought that Tseng's loyalty to the company would make him pissed at Hojo over "faking the death" of a Turk to use his body for his own purposes. I always stuck to the idea that Tseng at least would recognise the name "Vincent Valentine", but he might not link the two together.
Stop changing your name, Jesus. x.x

Do you think Tseng would even know what happened to Vincent? I get the impression Hojo didn't tell anyone, not even the President. He probably just reported that he was KIA or went MIA with Lucrecia. Hell, maybe he reported Lucrecia as KIA, with her suicide successful. And he could have easily said they both took their lives or some such. Like Rufus said, "You keep a lot of things to yourself."

Even if Hojo had reported the truth because he's such a stickler for correct documentation (lolz, Jenova Project diaries in the mansion?), I'm not sure if Tseng ever would have had access to that. He could very well have had access to a lot of things, but Vincent's disappearance was far before his time.

Then again, there is Before Crisis...
 

VivaLaValenwind

Moogle Hunter
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VictoriaValentine, SirYab
Yeah in DOC they made it look amazing, like in AC is was too round without much ummm ruffles? O_o And it looked like it was made out of a different fabric with like these leather looking stitches...But yeah i think it definitly looks better in DOC :D

As for the other topic I'm sure hojo probably did what ya said "Oh they couldn't handle it so they hung themselves!" :D I'm sure the president wouldn't care since Hojo apparently seems to be so important to the company XD

Btw NOT that i'm going to do this but how sucessful do you think a Valenwind club would be hahahaha. I'm assuming me and at most 3 people :monster:
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
I shudder to think. -_-; I already shudder at the existence of a Yuffentine club. Pairing Vincent with either one completely pisses on his character. Cid even more so than Yuffie.

Cid is married to Shera. Vincent is in love with Lucrecia. Shera and Lucrecia are both women. Cid is not attracted to men. Vincent is not attracted to men. They would make great friends, but will never be gay lovers, sorry.

I don't have a problem with yaoi or shonen-ai itself. I don't have a problem with homosexuality. In fact, I strongly support homosexuality. What I have a problem with is the complete disrespect that is given to these characters when fans totally rewrite them, their feelings, their histories, and even their already established sexual orientations.

I don't recall the differences about his cape in AC and DoC so I'd have to see pictures to know what you're talking about.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
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Katie; Seta.
[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg23273#msg23273 date=1235618277]I shudder to think. -_-; I already shudder at the existence of a Yuffentine club. Pairing Vincent with either one completely pisses on his character. Cid even more so than Yuffie.[/quote]

Yes, Vincent Valentine fell in love and still deeply loved Lucrecia Crescent. I understand that.

Still, there's just something about Vincent Valentine and Yuffie Kisaragi, their interactions. Love in some form or not, there's a - flow, for lack of better term. I would say spark, but I know I'd probably get some slack for that. :P I can't say it wouldn't be fitting to think that such a spark is their totally opposite personalities. ;D

In and of herself, I do not have any qualms with Lucrecia. I think she was probably a really decent person, to say the least, and I would have liked her, if this world and the characters were real and I lived there.

Personally, I believe Dirge of Cerberus could have done a lot better with the characters, at least as far as Vincent, Hojo and Lucrecia. This is me, but those three come out bland, at the very least, and irritating. It's hard to place my finger on reasons.

Hojo's nuts, we all know that. Still, he was Lucrecia's husband; like it or not, to me, that's a sacred bond (even if this is one bond made in hell.) Vincent comes across as a busy body, clueless dork who just seemed to have an issue with timing and action. I really didn't like how his younger self was portrayed in DoC.

I don't know - I actually like the idea of Sephiroth being Hojo's son (and am glad it's official.) I guess I felt bad for Hoho, because he is so insane, and he's not the 'looker' of the two men in Lucrecia's life. Two things that are very personal in my life, as well. I find that the only reason people state why Sephiroth could not possibly be Hojo's son is because the former is 'hot' and the latter is 'not.' That thinking pisses me off so much!

Vincent loved Lucrecia, but I guess he never really got to tell her just how much and in what ways he cared for her. I'm glad there was resolution there, at the end of DoC. I am also glad that Lucrecia got to state her own feelings; that she didn't have to keep a lie going forever. I am really happy that it's okay now, between them; I hope Vincent will always come and check in on and keep Lucrecia company for a while, but I pray it won't be as the depressive mopey beanbag he was shown to be in DoC.

I also agree with what some other people (here? I don't think so, but...) have stated: at the end of FFVII, Vincent seemed to be okay with everything. DoC backtracked that a great deal. :(

Personally, I do not believe that pairing Vincent with Yuffie would 'piss on' his character at all. Maybe piss off his character every once in a while per day, but not piss on. ;D I think Yuffie is someone who Vincent needs - that drive to his belief. He needs that! While a calmer personality, such as Lucrecia and/or Shelke, may be more his type in overall comfort, Vincent has to be uncomfortable to get anything done.

So yeah, long live the Yuffinetines! :) I'm gonna copy and paste this onto my Vincent x Yuffie board.
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
Your personal qualms with Lucrecia do nothing to negate the fact that Vincent is devoted to her. Vincent has shown no attraction to Yuffie and frankly she is not the type of girl I could ever see him going for. So yes, in order to suppose a relationship between the two, you would have to stretch his character to a great degree.

Why a "fan" of his character would want to change said character is beyond me, except that without doing so a fan generally finds it difficult to impose herself into the story. More people want to relate to Yuffie than to Lucrecia. You yourself have admitted that one of your biggest problems with Lucrecia is your jealousy toward her. Consider how objective that makes you.

Yes, Vincent received closure at the end of DoC. Does that mean he no longer loves Lucrecia, or that he, in a sense, "broke up" with her (in his heart)? Not by any means. He thanks her and tells her that she is the reason he was able to survive. In the Japanese version, he says he is going to keep on living. But that doesn't mean he is going to keep on living without her in his heart. Why would he do that when he finally knows how she feels and all that she did for him?


Arianna said:
While a calmer personality, such as Lucrecia and/or Shelke, may be more his type in overall comfort, Vincent has to be uncomfortable to get anything done.
Lucrecia's flirting stirred Vincent into quite a bit of healthy discomfort, unless you happened to miss those flashbacks because you didn't like them (or, well, didn't read Lost Episode). She is definitely more mature than Yuffie, but you're forgetting that Lucrecia does know how to tease and have fun when she's not angsting herself. She playfully tormented Vincent in a way that made him smile rather than annoy him, which is the only reaction he's shown to Yuffie outside of fanfiction. Lucrecia was created to be the perfect woman for Vincent. Yuffie was created to be comic relief.

Furthermore, I fail to understand how a divorced woman such as yourself would insist that Lucrecia's marriage to Hojo is something she is innexorably bound to, despite that 1) she probably didn't love him and he canonically did not love her, 2) Hojo is a fucked up bastard who used her, emotionally abused her, murdered someone she cared about, and she should have divorced him anyway if she hadn't fled (which essentially was her divorce), 3) Hojo clearly no longer considered himself married to her after she disappeared (probably because she was supposed dead), and 4) MOST IMPORTANTLY, Hojo is dead. Death breaks all marriage contracts. It's in the vows. We have covered this before.

But that still means nothing whatsoever in regard to this particular discussion because Lucrecia's marital status does not, would not, and never has changed Vincent's feelings toward her, and it's Vincent's feelings that we're discussing.

Have fun deluding yourselves on the Yuffentine thread, though. You won't have to deal with me inserting my pesky sense and that bothersome canon there.
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
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Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg22850#msg22850 date=1235539443]
Manti said:
I dunno. I always thought that Tseng's loyalty to the company would make him pissed at Hojo over "faking the death" of a Turk to use his body for his own purposes. I always stuck to the idea that Tseng at least would recognise the name "Vincent Valentine", but he might not link the two together.
Stop changing your name, Jesus. x.x

Do you think Tseng would even know what happened to Vincent? I get the impression Hojo didn't tell anyone, not even the President. He probably just reported that he was KIA or went MIA with Lucrecia. Hell, maybe he reported Lucrecia as KIA, with her suicide successful. And he could have easily said they both took their lives or some such. Like Rufus said, "You keep a lot of things to yourself."

Even if Hojo had reported the truth because he's such a stickler for correct documentation (lolz, Jenova Project diaries in the mansion?), I'm not sure if Tseng ever would have had access to that. He could very well have had access to a lot of things, but Vincent's disappearance was far before his time.

Then again, there is Before Crisis...
[/quote]I've changed it back. In part because of the furore here. And you misunderstood me. My main point was that once ShinRa picked up the party at the Northern Crater (when Cloud passes the Black Materia to Sephiroth) Vincent's identity would have been uncovered. Then, there would be a lot of anger (at least) towards Hojo for however he covered it up. Retribution follows.

First off. RAVY, APOLOGISE TO ARI. Whatever differences of opinion you two might have about the game and its characters, using personal info to say that someone's arguement is flawed is dirty. Yes, our experiences alter how we think about things, but this is so bloody obvious there's no need to throw it in someone's face. Ravy, I love you like a sister, but you were out of line.

As to the whole friggin' arguement over pairings...wtf?! OK, maybe I'm in a unique position here - I'm a fan of Vincent, Lucrecia AND Yuffie, and I'm in the fanclubs for both Vincrescent and Yuffentine pairings on this board. However, I see no contradiction in that.

My view on things: Vincent is/was in love with Lucrecia. Lucrecia, at the very least, is/was fond of Vincent - whether it was as a friend, a brother, or what, can be debated. Whatever happens, Vincent will always love Lucrecia. This, however, doesn't mean he can't fall in love with anyone else, or that that relationship will mean any less.

HOWEVER, if Yuffie were ever to say anything against Lucrecia, Vincent wouldn't talk to her again (except: "Hello again." "Hit that enemy." "Cure Cloud.").

End of the day: one, if Vincent wants Lucrecia OR Yuffie, it's not our place to say "no" just because we don't like it; two, they're all fictional characters, so what does it matter? I don't see why this club isn't big enough for both pairings.

I swear, much more of this, and I'll either suggest we agree to keep chats about pairings to pairings threads, or I'll leave. I've got enough emotional worries in my real life to have to deal with this shit in my e-life.
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
Manti said:
My main point was that once ShinRa picked up the party at the Northern Crater (when Cloud passes the Black Materia to Sephiroth) Vincent's identity would have been uncovered. Then, there would be a lot of anger (at least) towards Hojo for however he covered it up. Retribution follows.
Hm, I forgot about when they were captured by ShinRa. I've also forgotten what happened to Vincent during that time. I wonder if they DID discover who he really is or what happened to him. I don't exactly think he would have volunteered information.
 
[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg23725#msg23725 date=1235678710]
Manti said:
My main point was that once ShinRa picked up the party at the Northern Crater (when Cloud passes the Black Materia to Sephiroth) Vincent's identity would have been uncovered. Then, there would be a lot of anger (at least) towards Hojo for however he covered it up. Retribution follows.
Hm, I forgot about when they were captured by ShinRa. I've also forgotten what happened to Vincent during that time. I wonder if they DID discover who he really is or what happened to him. I don't exactly think he would have volunteered information.
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No, probably not. I think M.O.G is right.
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
They wouldn't have given a shit to bothered to gather their identities or they wouldn't have given a shit about Vincent's identity if they found out who he was? Why would they not give a shit to learn that someone who had been trusted with top secret information and believed dead was in fact alive and using the knowledge of said top secret information to work against them? Especially given that the Jenova Project was a rather sensitive issue in this case and not simply outdated stuff from decades ago that no one had any reason to care about anymore.

Although, my memory from that part of the game is hazy. I remember Yuffie was dressed up as a reporter and someone else was incognito as well. Barret and Tifa were the only ones being escorted to execution, right? So did the others escape capture and any subsequent questioning that may have occurred?
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
I tried to type this up before, but I'm at a hotel's computer terminal and the stupid thing logged me out. Then I wanted to go do a little shopping for tonight...

[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=221.msg23353#msg23353 date=1235629094]Your personal qualms with Lucrecia do nothing to negate the fact that Vincent is devoted to her. ... But that doesn't mean he is going to keep on living without her in his heart. Why would he do that when he finally knows how she feels and all that she did for him? ... Lucrecia's flirting stirred Vincent into quite a bit of healthy discomfort, unless you happened to miss those flashbacks because you didn't like them (or, well, didn't read Lost Episode). ... Lucrecia was created to be the perfect woman for Vincent. Yuffie was created to be comic relief. ... 1) she probably didn't love him and he canonically did not love her, 2) Hojo is a fucked up bastard who used her, emotionally abused her ... Death breaks all marriage contracts. It's in the vows. We have covered this before. ... Lucrecia's marital status does not, would not, and never has changed Vincent's feelings toward her, and it's Vincent's feelings that we're discussing. ... Have fun deluding yourselves on the Yuffentine thread, though. [/quote]

Ravynne, I also love you like a sister, and believe you're a trustworthy friend, but I have to admit I feel there was a bit more of a personal touch in your debating, to the point of attack. Granted, I am an open person who tries to be full about my own experiences, to explain why I may feel some way towards a real or fictional scenario. I don't need these things thrown right back at me, but I do not believe you meant to do this in a cruel light. I hope I'm right. I would hate to have to limit our friendship, but if you feel that this subject (relationships) is too much, than perhaps we should not discuss it? I understand how such things can be emotionally distressing.

I do believe Vincent and Yuffie could work, in a romantic light, and in other relationship ways. I do not beleive he just considers her a 'team mate' - I think people affect him a heck of a lot more than that. Now, would a romantic relationship be stretching things? No; I don't see it that way at all. As well, I think they compliment as well as contradict each other very well. They are both near intolerably stubborn, only Vincent will be silent, while Yuffie will complain outloud. They both express themselves in physical body language. As well, I believe Yuffie's presence in Dirge of Cerberus was beyond comic relief. She's fun and funny at times, I think Vincent can oblige her at times. "Oooooh Yuffie; how's your head?" ~ I think Vincent was playing along with her, dryly. I also can't help to think he was smiling a bit and amused all the while.

Respectfully, I understand you disagree with me. I do not agree with you that it would pull Vincent totally out of character to have him paired with Yuffie. Also, I do agree with you, and have been warming up a bit (though it's totally canon, and I try to keep to canon), that Vincent will always have a special place in his heart for Lucrecia Crescent. She is a remarkable, loving and caring woman. I just do not believe that Vincent's heart only has room for one person. It must be said that I have not been able to play Lost Episode; and no, I have not read the episode either. If you have a link to where I can do so, please link us. I would love to learn more.

Okay, onto the subject about when Rufus took in the AVALANCHE members. I'm thinking that he just arrested them, and perhaps interrogated some of them. I'm not sure about Vincent; perhaps Barret was more a target, same with Tifa, due to the fact that they were known terrorists to the Shinra. As far as anyone remembering Vincent or having heard or known he was in the Turks, I would not be surprised if someone did know. I think it would be foolish to believe otherwise, unless Vincent was also proclaimed dead by the official Shinra records. My feeling is that they either disregarded any knowledge of Vincent as impossible, didn't know him at all, or didn't get around to interrogating him. This anonymousity most likely worked to the favor of everyone involved; and, I wouldn't put it past him to have helped breach Shinra security - in some shape or form.
 

VivaLaValenwind

Moogle Hunter
AKA
VictoriaValentine, SirYab
:monster: I believe that i can solve our problems! We shall clone Vincent and each one will have a different lover, that way everyone can be happy!


[quote author=Arianna link=topic=221.msg24002#msg24002 date=1235749551]

I do believe Vincent and Yuffie could work, in a romantic light, and in other relationship ways. I do not beleive he just considers her a 'team mate' - I think people affect him a heck of a lot more than that. Now, would a romantic relationship be stretching things? No; I don't see it that way at all. As well, I think they compliment as well as contradict each other very well. They are both near intolerably stubborn, only Vincent will be silent, while Yuffie will complain outloud. They both express themselves in physical body language. As well, I believe Yuffie's presence in Dirge of Cerberus was beyond comic relief. She's fun and funny at times, I think Vincent can oblige her at times. "Oooooh Yuffie; how's your head?" ~ I think Vincent was playing along with her, dryly. I also can't help to think he was smiling a bit and amused all the while.

Respectfully, I understand you disagree with me. I do not agree with you that it would pull Vincent totally out of character to have him paired with Yuffie. Also, I do agree with you, and have been warming up a bit (though it's totally canon, and I try to keep to canon), that Vincent will always have a special place in his heart for Lucrecia Crescent. She is a remarkable, loving and caring woman. I just do not believe that Vincent's heart only has room for one person. It must be said that I have not been able to play Lost Episode; and no, I have not read the episode either. [/quote]

Well just to let everyone know lost episode is horrible and thats alot coming from me cause I adore Vincent but the game not only screwed over vincent but also dirge because it completly jacked up the plot on how Lucrecia went about getting the materia to stick into Vin

I do admit that VinxCid maybe be...well in other words fucked up and yeah it is but i likes it anyway :D Even if i don't like Yuffitine (dunno if i spelled that right) I think its fine for people to like it. I shall tell a funny story on a personal reason on why i dont like her. So i was playing FFVII...and she steals your materia so im like okay...gotta find Wutai now. For some reason i guess i wasn't paying attention to my walkthrough and well...i got lost...roaming...and roaming...So no cure spells and guess what no more potions. So slowly i went to my death and that is how i have come to dislike Yuffie :D A stupid reason I know...but probably amusing to all of you :3 As for Vincent and Lucrecia I will never doubt the fact that he loves her but well lets all face it...they never ended up together hahaha It's like a korean soap opera :duhard:

As for the topic of the whole Shinra and Rufus thing maybe Vincent was still staying at the inn wondering where the hell everyone went!

In other news i am uber sad cause there wasn't a new scene of vin in the ACC trailer leaving me to believe he really wont get any more action time in the movie....also...Is he even gonna be in the OVA? I didn't read on a way to a smile but if i'm correct hes not in it is he?
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

that one Lucrecia fangirl
AKA
Ravynne
Ari, I'm not going to turn Chaosbringers into a dramafest, but your post was personal too. I defended myself and my point and that's all I have to say about it.

Except for this: Vincent has no romantic feelings for Yuffie and to read into anything in any way that suggests that he does is, at best, wishful thinking.

Lost Episode is no longer playable. I haven't been able to find a script for the longest time since AC.net/DOC.net died, either, but ironically I seem able to access that right now. So here's the link, and in case that goes poof again, here's the recap:

Vincent travels from Edge to Junon, boards a boat at Junon, and crosses the sea to get to the other continent (to get to Nibelheim during DoC). At some point during this journey, he rescues a civilian lady who reminds him of Lucrecia. He also passes some room where music is playing and has a flashback because it's the same song he and Lucrecia danced to many years ago.

In the flashback, I gather he's in Lucrecia's lab. Doing what, I don't know, because I didn't see it myself. Maybe just chilling out, or maybe Victoria can tell us. Anyhoo, apparently out of the blue and with no music already playing whatsoever, Lucrecia says, "Dance with me, Vincent" and turns on a radio. Vincent freaks out and says, "W-What? No... No, I can't dance." Lucrecia teases him and says, "So you don't like me," but takes his hand and starts dancing with him anyway. Vincent protests, "No, no that's not what I..." So, she reasons, "Then dance with me." Of course, since they're already dancing by now, Lucrecia points out, "See, it isn't that bad, is it?" and Vincent agrees, "Yeah, this isn't...too bad."

Then is the bit about the protomatera that I will adress next.

Incidentally, after that, Lucrecia gets deep out of the blue and says, "Sometimes... I get so involved with my research that I lose myself. Whenever that happens, though...you always come to my rescue... Thank you, Vincent." Vincent, being the nub he is, goes, "What?" and she says, "Nothing... I just wanted to thank you." Not relevent, but cute, and perhaps sheds some light upon why she allowed herself to get close to Vincent in the first place.

Anyhoo, the protomateria. Victoria refers to the part I glossed over in the middle there, when Vincent notices the protomateria sitting on her desk as they dance and asks her about it. She starts to say, "That's your--" but then stops herself and says "nevermind" and leaves it at "it's very important."

I, too, thought when I read the script, "But the protomateria was supposed to materialize out of thin air later when Vincent turns into Chaos! What's it doing there now? And what does she mean 'that's your--' if she doesn't know it's his 'anything' yet?" Apparently whoever wrote a few wikis thought this was how the protomateria came to be as well.

That is not the case. Grimoire discovered the protomateria in the grotto when they discovered the mako fountain there and concluded that it was where Chaos was to be born. He says nothing about this in the Omega reports that he wrote, but Lucrecia mentions it in the last of the series:

Dirge of Cerberus said:
Protomateria

-Protomateria-

I have determined the materia found by Dr. Valentine at the fountain of Chaos to be a type of refined anti-matter formed within the grotto over the past several millennia.

I believe the planet created this instrument out of necessity as a means to control Chaos and prolong its own inevitable fate.

By controlling Chaos, the planet also succeeds in preventing the advent of Omega. If Chaos is allowed to fulfill his destiny of destruction, Omega's awakening cannot be far behind.

That is why I...
source: http://www.ffwa.org/ff7/script.php?page=13

The materia had simply been hanging around in her posession dormant all that time. She likely held onto it both because it reminded her of Grimoire and because she still believed it to be important, since she still believed in their theories regarding Chaos and Omega. The protomateria did not spring into existance at the moment it flared in Lu's lab. The Planet created it just as it creates all materia, and because of its connection to Chaos, it had a reaction when Chaos got unruly that first time.

This is why, when Lucrecia discovers this connection in Dirge, she says, "This... The materia... I found... We found together." She's likely referring to Grimoire when she says "we," since she and Grimoire found it together. Also, when she starts to say "that's your--" she isn't on the verge of saying "that's your safety override button," she's on the verge of saying "that's your father's somethingorother."

So really, the fact that the protomateria is sitting on her desk in LE is the only sensible continuity it's even given, considering it's supposed to be there the entire time.


As for OTWTAS, the only mention made of Vincent is how unceremoniously he fell out of contact with the rest of them.

On The Way to a Smile said:
The companions that were with Tifa for the whole trial of their journey split up, just as easily as they did when they joined in. Vincent left just like one of the passengers that would sit next to you on a train. Yuffie protested. She asked everyone if they were all right about splitting up, now that they were friends. Barret was the one who told her that they could see each other whenever they wanted if they all lived. Or maybe it was Cid. After promising to reunite one day, Tifa,Cloud and Barret seperated from the others, leaving for Corel Town. It was Barret's hometown. To him, the tragedies that occurred there because of Mako was what started everything for him. Standing silently for a moment, he told the others not to follow him. He too had to go on living, carrying sins.
source: http://www.ff7citadel.com/compilation/ac_smile.shtml

And since it probably needs to be said, that's not Yuffie protesting Vincent's departure. That's Yuffie protesting the gang splitting up. -_-;


(Man, I almost lost this whole thing when the post button timed out on me. o_o Thank god it was still there when I hit back, because I spent over an hour writing this and gathering all the information that supports it, which is rather pitiful when you read it and how relatively short it is. Enjoy it, you llamas.)
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
AKA
Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
We had a Vincent cloning machine back on ACF. Matter-of-fact, I believe there're still some Vinclones runnin' round free and untroubled on the net somewhere. The number of Catholic!Vincents was something else...

OK, what the game says about the time the party is being held at ShinRa's pleasure is...not a lot. But Yuffie's reporter disguise - how'd no-one see through it? It just looks to be glasses or something. As for what I said about my theory... I'd forgot, I've written a fanfic with it in. Here's the relevent bits:

(Rufus) cast a quizzical look at Heidegger. “Who was that man that Hojo recognised? The one in Avalanche? I’m sure I saw him at Rocket Town.”

“I’m... not sure, sir. I’ll ask Hojo immediately.”

...

“Hojo!”

‘Hmph. What does that idiot want?’

“Yes, Heidegger?” Hojo answered levelly.

“The President wishes to know who that man with the claw is.”

“Valentine.”

The colour left Heidegger’s face in a shot. “N-no... He’s dead. You said so your--” Heidegger realised what had happened. “You son-of-a-bitch,” he snarled, grabbing Hojo by the lapels. “If he had still been in the Turks instead of you using him as a test subject, we might have gotten the Ancient years ago!”
And, oh, I'd so write that differently if I was writing it now. Hojo'd really not care about answering (less "what're you gonna do about it?", more "so?"), and Heidegger would be more of a tw*t.

Hmm, here's the story as I've written it so far: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1859945/1/Prisoners And it's still a work in progress, I'm afraid. -_-

Thanks for the info, Ravy. ^_^ I haven't got round to Lost Episode before, so I really had no clue about that. It seems a bit random, though. ...Not wanting to sound like a git or anything, but seriously, some thought the materia just manifested at that moment? Huh.

(And you have no idea how many times the site's timed out on one of my replies! Lord almighty! I've actually started coping my entire post to the clipboard before I try posting it...)

Hmm, had a thing prepped about Vincentesque guys, but it can wait. Being prepped and all. And, Ravy, Ari - both of you just leave it there, otherwise you'll both get upset again. Forgive and forget, yeah? :) (Chaosbringers nakama FTW forevah!!!)
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
I'll have more to say later, but due to circumstances presenting themselves I must ask that everyone refrain from any relationship talk in regards to Vincent. Personally, I feel this is a little silly, but I think that it's best for all. It doesn't matter who believes what/when/why/how/etc. No flaming of other characters, either.




The great Clone!Vincent 'machine'! :P That was funny. I kept invisioning small 2' or 3' tall, proportion correct Vincent copies running all over the place, scattering whenever light was shed upon them. ;D ... I never claimed one.
 

VivaLaValenwind

Moogle Hunter
AKA
VictoriaValentine, SirYab
[quote author=Arianna link=topic=221.msg24400#msg24400 date=1235828342]
I'll have more to say later, but due to circumstances presenting themselves I must ask that everyone refrain from any relationship talk in regards to Vincent. Personally, I feel this is a little silly, but I think that it's best for all. It doesn't matter who believes what/when/why/how/etc. No flaming of other characters, either.


The great Clone!Vincent 'machine'! :P That was funny. I kept invisioning small 2' or 3' tall, proportion correct Vincent copies running all over the place, scattering whenever light was shed upon them. ;D ... I never claimed one.

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I'll have to agree that this fighting over well...fictional characters is getting out of hand. Lets just like who we like and who we like them to be with :D

Vincent clones will take over the world! Actually theres a doujinshi by K.Haruka where there are multiple mini vinnys that are super heroes :D It's pretty funny cause they go to save the town or whatever by they keep getting beaten by a bat from Cid :D....hmmm well i've been thinking if they're Vincent clones i'm sure some of them wouldn't be too sucessful and we would have a couple running around without arms and legs...

Also, i actually don't believe that Hojo and Lucrecia were actually married. We don't know for sure but it wasn't actually stated in anything official which leads me to believe that they just got it on in some empty room in the mansion and out popped sephy! :monster:
 
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