Character Battle QF4: Tifa vs Fang

[Max Payne]

Nothing she wasn't doing in FFVII as well.

She wasn't taking care of several orphans was she? Marlene had other people to take care of her too, and Tifa was actively running bombing missions with Barret and Avalanche back then.

Tifa is doing none of the over the top shit she did in FFVII in the years before ACC. She didn't start out as strong as she became in FFVII either.

What was keeping her busy??? Marlene and a bar didn't keep her preoccupied before? She's living in Edge now, no giant wall to keep away the monsters, it was only just being built. Why wouldn't she find time.

Everything we already mentioned?

Rufus affirmed at the very start of the movie that Cloud still fights like the SOLDIER he thought he was as always.

He was also poking fun at him too. Cloud clearly wasn't in top condition and that was a huge plot point in the film. Hell Tifa herself reaffirms this when she says they all lost what made them strong when they were fighting Sephiroth and Shinra so long ago. The whole point of the goddamn film is Cloud finding the strength in himself again to stand up with his head held high without guilt and without fear.

Why do we need an indication that she was still practising? She was a civilian when she started her martial arts. She didn't pick it up specifically to be part of AVALANCHE, to get back at Shinra, or out of any desire to be a hero at all. It's a hobby that she had long before any of that and out of the hundreds of students that Zangan picked up, she was the best at it. Why does it taking two scenes before she kicks anything indicate that she deserted that?? If have no clue where this is coming from.

How would she have the time to? Where are the reports of monster raids on Edge? Where's any indication that she was doing anything other than taking care of her kids, running the bar and Cloud's business.

There's none. Case of Tifa made a point of her trying to stop fighting as well and building a new life for herself and her family/friends. Where is the implication martial arts was a hobby? How do you know she didn't do it because she felt the need to know how to defend herself? Even if you're right, people drop hobbies and pick up other things. Their lives take priority.

And they put away their materia because of the whole wasting the power of the Lifestream thing. The people that made the movie specifically mention that in the Reunion Files.

Yes, and that obviously wasn't the sole reason.

 

[Joker]

itt: Adri vs. GLD, in a battle to the death

PERSON WHO HASN'T PLAYED FFVII

vs.

PERSON WHO HASN'T PLAYED FFXIII



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[Ryushikaze]

To weigh in on the subject of being combatatively active in the years between VII and ACC, nothing actually indicates she was doing anything more than performing Katas and keeping in shape.

Unlike with Cloud, who got the new swords and the holder for the swords and was spoken of as going into monster heavy areas at times, nothing in the time gap indicates Midgar or Edge had to worry about that sort of thing.

 

[Max Payne]

itt: Adri vs. GLD, in a battle to the death

PERSON WHO HASN'T PLAYED FFVII

vs.

PERSON WHO HASN'T PLAYED FFXIII



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HEAVEN OR HELL

FIGHT

 

[Splintered]

I never understand Who's the strongest fights, they are almost impossible to define because the universe, definitions of magic, and game mechanics are completely different.

I mean, Fang is definitely the best damage dealer in XIII and extremely versatile so can perform pretty much every role really well except for maybe medic. But in VII these things are almost moot because the way the system is laid out, anyone can be anything, what makes the real differences are any special weapons and limit breaks.

And characterization wise, both of them are kind of portrayed as strong and confident people (at least in battle). Fang grew up in Pulse that's apparently pretty savage and has the War with Cocoon as a backdrop, but Tifa has no problems with fighting monsters either and is a resistance fighter.

So uh. Jello wrestling.

No matter who loses, we all win.

 

[Super Mario]

itt: Adri vs. GLD, in a battle to the death

PERSON WHO HASN'T PLAYED FFVII

vs.

PERSON WHO HASN'T PLAYED FFXIII



BEGIN

 

[Max Payne]

I never understand Who's the strongest fights, they are almost impossible to define because the universe, definitions of magic, and game mechanics are completely different.

Because they are silly fanboy dick measuring contests?

I agree.

 

[Joker]

image borked mumble

 

[Super Mario]

image borked mumble

New image. I'm sure you'll know the reference:

 

[null]

Is this a Vs thread now? All right!

I'm taking Batman + 1 hour of prep time against, let's see, bloodlusted Galactus, Black-Lantern Tifa, Cocoon-2 Fang, Superman 1 Million, Dr. Manhattan, Living Tribunal and World War Hulk on Tuchanka, hmmm, no bystanders except Thresher Maws, PIS/CIS allowed. Muwahaha. Let the lisping begin.

Spoiler

 

[Super Mario]

My god Batman is fucking scary.

 

[Splintered]

Batman with prep time is invincible. He curbstomps existence.

 

[Roger]

To weigh in on the subject of being combatatively active in the years between VII and ACC, nothing actually indicates she was doing anything more than performing Katas and keeping in shape.

I don't see why we need indication to know that she's keeping up with her training, as she has been doing for the last 7+ years. And anyway, the argument I'm having a problem with is that is just another civilian now, as Kenpachi says. And i like how Marlene + just recently Denzel are SEVERAL orphans. And ichigo I meant that she wasn't surprised. I mistyped but I already corrected that.

 

[Max Payne]

Seemed to me like it was obvious that she was putting away the warrior to actually try and have a life, as Case of Tifa and pretty much everything else implied.

I also don't see where the fuck she would find the time.

 

[Roger]

Seemed to me like it was obvious that she was putting away the warrior to actually try and have a life, as Case of Tifa and pretty much everything else implied.

I also don't see where the fuck she would find the time.

Trying to have a life and giving up Zangan's teachings are two different things. And I felt she put the ecoterrorist away, that again that does not equal the martial artist, which she was long before any of this. And i don't see why we need to see her have time on her hands. Marlene could always take care of herself and the bar if neccesary. Her suddenly being swamped every second of every day, especially after Denzel comes along who helps with cleaning + makes everybody avoid her bar, seems contrived to me.

 

[Tifabelle]

Denzel was also sick.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

tifa and fang sex party

EVERYONE WINS

 

[Max Payne]

Trying to have a life and giving up Zangan's teachings are two different things. And I felt she put the ecoterrorist away, that again that does not equal the martial artist, which she was long before any of this. And i don't see why we need to see her have time on her hands. Marlene could always take care of herself and the bar if neccesary. Her suddenly being swamped every second of every day, especially after Denzel comes along who helps with cleaning + makes everybody avoid her bar, seems contrived to me.

You are deliberately ignoring several things to hold onto that stance.

One running 2 businesses is not some small feat, and when you tack on taking care of children (something which is a FULL TIME JOB), including one who is sick, and looking after another grown ass man makes for an incredibly busy and hectic lifestyle.

Then there is the deliberate theme of Case of Tifa where Tifa takes many steps to move on with her life, and put family before revenge and violence. That doesn't equate to "giving up her teachings" but it does means she's putting her priority on her life and family.

It is common sense that this all leave very little time for anything more than exercise and the occasional sparring session with a friend. That does not an active warrior make, and that kind of busy lifestyle will take its toll on hobbies and any real extraneous activity.

You take that and compare it to when she was in FF7, constantly under assault, and finding herself in a state where she had to always be sharp and ready for attack. She's simply not going to be as tough or as prepared for confrontation. She's like a retired vet from war. She had gotten softer, and more accommodated to every day life opposed to being a soldier in a war to save the planet.

That is going to play a huge part in her ability to cope with any threat, much less one with the strength of a being like Sephiroth.

Also, a bar with no customers is not going to stay open. Common sense dictates that she has enough customers to keep it running.

 

[penandpaper]

I will admit that I sort of fall at the halfway point here. I got the impression that she was at least keeping in fighting shape, which does not require a great deal of time unless she doesn't have time to exercise at all.

Is she going out and adventuring or traveling in monster infested areas? No and she doesn't really seem to show much interest in that, but I very much doubt that she could do what we see her do in ACC if she'd stopped training altogether. Muscles weaken if not used and memory fades. It's been two years since FFVII. On top of that, logically why wouldn't Tifa try to keep herself in a position where if her family was threatened that she could protect them? She's still a very talented fighter at the very least in ACC, which would seem to indicate some level of continuing practice and even with all on her plate, I imagine that Tifa would make the time to train a bit if needed to preserve her family's safety.

I'm not going to argue that she spends an inordinate amount of time training, but I imagine that she still keeps in shape and runs through her old routines so that she'd be able to protect her loved ones if push came to shove as it does so often in this universe.

Does... that make any sense? I can't seem to to write out my thoughts coherently today. I'm sorry.

 

[Max Payne]

I'm sure she stays in shape, but she's not an active duty fighter anymore, which means she's not going to be as good a fighter as she once was.

 

[Joker]

ASPTO PSOTONG THINGS I CAN"T USNTIESTAND THEM BEACUESE DIRKNING

 

[Super Mario]

Whoah

 

[Roger]

I'm sure she stays in shape,

Which is NOT what you were saying. Out of practice kinda implies that she does not practice anymore.

Then there is the deliberate theme of Case of Tifa where Tifa takes many steps to move on with her life, and put family before revenge and violence. That doesn't equate to "giving up her teachings" but it does means she's putting her priority on her life and family.

Yeah it does not equate to it. To a person that when we met her was blowing up Mako reactors and killing hundreds of people in their sleep, giving up the violence does not neccesarily mean going to the aboslutely extreme and being cozy civilianm in a monsterinfested world. For the billuionth time, she picked up her fighting style merely as means to defend herself in a dangerous world, before any adventuring was on the table. I don't what changed here, world hasn't gone soft and she has more to protect now.

One running 2 businesses is not some small feat, and when you tack on taking care of children (something which is a FULL TIME JOB), including one who is sick, and looking after another grown ass man makes for an incredibly busy and hectic lifestyle.

Okay, again Denzel, Marlene and Cloud are not freaking infants, Cloud isn't even home most of the time and Denzel is very recent addition and healthy enough to make a point that he more then carries his weight around Seventh Heaven since he's been there. And by running the second business you mean answering the telephone and leave notes for the guy that actually runs the second business.

 

[Max Payne]

Which is NOT what you were saying. Out of practice kinda implies that she does not practice anymore.

no it implies that she hasn't been in a real combat situation in a long time

you misinterpreted what I was saying

 

[Roger]

When you said "practice", I thought you meant "practice", sorry about that.