Cloud vs Sephiroth
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IndianaoftheJones
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If you meant me I mean "It's just a movie" and that's how Cloud survived.Explain. Depending on your explanation, I may have to e-kill you.
I'll be way over here on the other side of the planetROTFLMAO, I'm seriously gonna "play around with you" all with a knife. SRSLY.
Hahaha, that was funny to watch.
I wonder if SE actually used that song to play the scene.
EbonGale
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I wonder why just ten minutes. Surely Seph would wanna play around with Cloud more, or Cloud could last longer than a few minutes before getting tuckered out.
I love reading things out of context.
EbonGale
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Yeah, as much as I loved the original fight scene, and the new additions, the total new stuff (if you cut out Zack) couldn't have been more than like a minute and a half.
Personally, I think the best fight scenes are the ones that don't have as many elements of anti-gravity in them, that are just straight sword to sword (or fists, in Tifa's case). Or when there's intense bleeding.
And there's no telling if Seph wanted it to last longer. From the look on his face when Cloud got back up and they clashed, I'd say he did indeed want to keep fighting, but then Cloud had to go all "lol dues ex omnislash" and finish Seph off
Personally, I think the best fight scenes are the ones that don't have as many elements of anti-gravity in them, that are just straight sword to sword (or fists, in Tifa's case). Or when there's intense bleeding.
And there's no telling if Seph wanted it to last longer. From the look on his face when Cloud got back up and they clashed, I'd say he did indeed want to keep fighting, but then Cloud had to go all "lol dues ex omnislash" and finish Seph off
Tennyo
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Well Cloud is not the type to play around in a fight. He wants to win as fast as possible. The moment he has enough pent up limit break energy to pull out his ultimate trump card he will.
Seph, on the other hand, did seem to be enjoying himself. He wanted to cause Cloud pain. He wanted to make Cloud suffer greatly. All in all, Sephiroth wanted to have the last laugh, but he also wanted Cloud to have time to realize that he was going to loose. Kill Cloud too fast and he won't have a chance to think about all the stuff that Seph wants him to.
Also yeah savor the moment. Eat a cookie too fast and you'll wish you still had the cookie. Eat is slowly and by the time you're done you're more likely to be satisfied. Wow that sounded dirty.
Seph, on the other hand, did seem to be enjoying himself. He wanted to cause Cloud pain. He wanted to make Cloud suffer greatly. All in all, Sephiroth wanted to have the last laugh, but he also wanted Cloud to have time to realize that he was going to loose. Kill Cloud too fast and he won't have a chance to think about all the stuff that Seph wants him to.
Also yeah savor the moment. Eat a cookie too fast and you'll wish you still had the cookie. Eat is slowly and by the time you're done you're more likely to be satisfied. Wow that sounded dirty.
EbonGale
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Yeah, I totally agree with you on the Seph just wanting to cause as much pain as possible.
I've lurked around those "Was Sephiroth Trying" threads enough to know that this is a rather touchy topic, though xD
It's not so much that I think Seph wasn't trying to kill Cloud... I think he was just inflicting as much damage and pain as possible, to see where exactly Cloud's limits were, and what would kill him. Sort of like he was inflicting enough damage to kill, but being pleasantly surprised to find that there's still more time to play.
Or, you know, the cookie metaphor. That worked just as well. xD
I've lurked around those "Was Sephiroth Trying" threads enough to know that this is a rather touchy topic, though xD
It's not so much that I think Seph wasn't trying to kill Cloud... I think he was just inflicting as much damage and pain as possible, to see where exactly Cloud's limits were, and what would kill him. Sort of like he was inflicting enough damage to kill, but being pleasantly surprised to find that there's still more time to play.
Or, you know, the cookie metaphor. That worked just as well. xD
Makoeyes987
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Sephiroth can inflict pain and make Cloud suffer by killing him.... The two concepts of sadism and murder are not mutually exclusive. There's no way he was just "testing" Cloud's limits if he's going all out in piercing his vitals and repeatedly stabbing him him.
Sephiroth wouldn't have tried to finish things either if he were just playing around after he threw Cloud on the roof of the Shinra Building and then fly at him for an overhead slice.
Sephiroth wouldn't have tried to finish things either if he were just playing around after he threw Cloud on the roof of the Shinra Building and then fly at him for an overhead slice.
Dashell
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I'm gonna lend my opinion on this "playing around" thing.
The fact that I see that Sephiroth either doesn't see or is ignoring, is that Cloud has beaten him twice before this. Once after being impaled through the chest. Seph needs to learn this. Also I don't think he got many of Clouds vitals because if he did, he wouldn't be able to stand in the end. I think it was more like "take this and this and this and now I'ma gonna kill ya!"
But if Sephiroth truly isn't playing around what I think he needs to do is forget about Cloud for two seconds and go and kill off Tifa, Marlene, Denzel, maybe Barret and the others (but spare Yuffie cause she rocks) and then go after Cloud. That way even if he gets beaten by Cloud again, he's still lost everything. At least if I was Sephiroth (LOL) that's what I'd do.
The fact that I see that Sephiroth either doesn't see or is ignoring, is that Cloud has beaten him twice before this. Once after being impaled through the chest. Seph needs to learn this. Also I don't think he got many of Clouds vitals because if he did, he wouldn't be able to stand in the end. I think it was more like "take this and this and this and now I'ma gonna kill ya!"
But if Sephiroth truly isn't playing around what I think he needs to do is forget about Cloud for two seconds and go and kill off Tifa, Marlene, Denzel, maybe Barret and the others (but spare Yuffie cause she rocks) and then go after Cloud. That way even if he gets beaten by Cloud again, he's still lost everything. At least if I was Sephiroth (LOL) that's what I'd do.
Tennyo
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Playing around doesn't mean that he doesn't want to kill him. He eventually will, and I'm of the opinion that his final dive after slicing Cloud up was probably going to be the finish. By that time I'm sure Sephiroth was satisfied with his efforts.
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Makoeyes987
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.....Piercing Cloud's lung isn't a vital? You see the blade past through the right side of his chest where his lung is. Furthermore, all those slashes, and the stab through the knee are enough to kill, and by the amount of blood loss, he hit several of Cloud's arteries and veins.
The only reason Cloud lived the last time he got impaled through the chest is because Hojo healed him. He still would be dead. Sephiroth only got beaten because he was genuinely shocked and frightened, that he didn't think to let go of the sword while Cloud was lifting him up.
Seriously, basic anatomy will tell you Sephiroth hit at least some of his organs. Cloud got thrust through the chest twice in that. There are nothing BUT vitals there. And your knee is extremely vital there. Aside from the tendons there, there are numerous blood vessels that are directly connected to the femoral artery.
The only reason Cloud lived the last time he got impaled through the chest is because Hojo healed him. He still would be dead. Sephiroth only got beaten because he was genuinely shocked and frightened, that he didn't think to let go of the sword while Cloud was lifting him up.
Seriously, basic anatomy will tell you Sephiroth hit at least some of his organs. Cloud got thrust through the chest twice in that. There are nothing BUT vitals there. And your knee is extremely vital there. Aside from the tendons there, there are numerous blood vessels that are directly connected to the femoral artery.
Dashell
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I understand what you're saying and I do agree that Seph was trying to kill Cloud. But the fact that Cloud was able to stand up in the end really shows that it wasn't as bad as it looked (apparently). Frankly I would have liked to have seen Cloud do his Omnislashy thing, then fall to the ground winded, then have Yazoo and Loz sneak up behind him for the kill.
The fact that they kept him standing there really kinda bugs me. But as I said it shows that obviously, it wasn't as bad as it looked... or Zack healed him, I dunno.
The fact that they kept him standing there really kinda bugs me. But as I said it shows that obviously, it wasn't as bad as it looked... or Zack healed him, I dunno.
IndianaoftheJones
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let me rephrase something here
But really it's obvious Sephiroth was trying to kill Cloud. I don't think anyone could possibly argue that. The reason Cloud was able to go on was because of Zack... (and yes will power)
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